This is amazing and unlike arrogant Jobs, Bravo for Apple to stop playing spy vs spy, top secret and get smart. a while ago steve had said when marketshare hit 1% he would turn it back over to the sales guys. they had a shareholder meeting today about the past qtr and i would speculate that they made 1% of new sales hence this very unapple like announcement. its time to stop playing their stupid tier structure games and start making and selling computers to the masses. Give me a 2.0 G5 with a videocard slot and ill be thrilled! no I dont want a powermac and i dont want 3 year old hardware like iMac/Emac.
This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.
I would rather be told "shipping in september" and get it in september than the apple standard of promising an Aug. delivery and shipping on nov. first.
This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.
You can say royal again. Right from the top.
Steve's outlived his usefulness. Marketshare is declining and unit sales dropping. The Mac is becoming more and more irrelevant everyday. The iPod is Apple's only saving grace, but even that is only a tiny portion of their revenue and profits.
This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.
I think people are taking all this way out of proprtion, Apple could have easily announced the new Machines today and say, shipping in September, and then everyone will flame them for the 2 monthes wait, but the bottom line would have remained the same, 1-2 monthes without iMacs(depending how long current stock remains).
I think Apple did a smart move, they Announced the new iMac, without actually announcing it, they started a buzz, and people are starting to get ready for the release to buy a new iMac, and the smart thing is Apple will have immediate availbility. The biggest problem of the 2nd Generation iMac and why it lost it's buzz as quickly as it did(remember Apple tried to recreate the buzz with the 17" model, something that wasn't planed, Jobs said in his intro the goal was to lower iMac prices over time, that never happened cause they decided to issue larger screens for buzz) was the long waiting list for the iMacs, people don't want to order a computer and wait 2 monthes for it, that cost Apple alot of sales, people just didn't want to wait.
The way I see it Apple just created a Buzz for a product that will have immediate availbilty and will hopefully sell like crazy
Steve's outlived his usefulness. Marketshare is declining and unit sales dropping. The Mac is becoming more and more irrelevant everyday. The iPod is Apple's only saving grace, but even that is only a tiny portion of their revenue and profits.
I have said it many times in other places, the hardware division is a flipping mess, get Jobs out of Marketing and product line up. You got to keep the pro's happy then do it but dont do it at the expense of the billions of consumers outhere. They have crippled Imac so bad its crazy. All these years of making iMac a literal dog performance wise has cost them their market. It should have allways had the fastest single cpu they could get their hands on but instead they gave it it leftovers from powermac and this has nearly killed it and Apples market. I would fire whoever runs Hardware, be it Jobs then so be it. Can anyone remember any product that shipped on time? Clean house and build a cheapo mac for the newbies and a powerful consumer model for the gamers and prosumers. KILL the TIER STRUCTURE before it KILLS APPLE!
with that said watch them release in Sept a 1.6 G5 with FX5200 and monitor attached.
This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.
I agree. While the iMac wasn't selling well at least as there was the opportunity to sell them. Now, which I really can't believe, there are no iMacs available (or hardly any) for the next 60 days.
Regarding Wall Street, I suppose this is why the announcement was made on July, 1: the first of a new quarter.
Well look at it this way, these things haven't been selling anyway, so it shouldn't hurt their revenues much.
I bet unit sales will be terrible though--as will be marketshare. If unit sales fall below 500k, I dare say it, it's all over for Apple. I don't know if they'll be that terrible though.
I was kinda thinking that too. If they were kinda lagging and the general consensus around the Mac-using world was that they're old hat, underpowered, overpriced, etc., then good riddance, I guess.
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They didn't exactly seem to be flying off the shelves as of late. And had Apple attempted some sort of stop-gap move by plopping in a 1.5GHz G4, a hard drive bump and maybe a faster SuperDrive, does anyone REALLY think that would've made much of a difference, especially if the prices remained as is?
No.
People here - and other forums - would've lost their minds, ripping Apple to pieces. At least now we KNOW something new - and better - is coming. Has to be a G5, or something "worth it" because I don't think they'd re-do a whole new design to top out at a 1.5GHz G4.
Although, it IS Apple...
Two months. Settle down, for crying out loud. People wait longer than that for vital organ transplants.
That's funny, I was interpreting this as a confirmation of Kormac's statements... I mean, if it caught Apple off guard, it not surprisingly caught Kormac off guard.
I mentioned this at another site, but it's worth posting here too: if, as the message at apple.com says, they were planning to release this new iMac "in the next few weeks", that means product shots and promo literature has mostly likely already been created, and was ready to go also.
I'm betting SOMETHING - either an actual photo or a really dead-on illustration (along the lines of the display rendering at ThinkSecret a few weeks ago) - is bound to surface, and soon.
Too easy for this stuff to find its way out. All it takes is one careless OR malicious employee (or simply some anonymous schmo, somewhere in the chain) to open their mouth, click "Send" on their e-mail, etc.
Bet we see some leaked imagery in short order...say two-three weeks.
It doesn't make any sense at all for them to do this. It would have been better to show something off at WWDC to freeze sales of the old iMac. Nobody would order it, and they wouldn't have to reveal that inventory is running out.
It doesn't make any sense at all for them to do this. It would have been better to show something off at WWDC to freeze sales of the old iMac. Nobody would order it, and they wouldn't have to reveal that inventory is running out.
it makes perfect sense, Apple learned from the mistake of the Flat Panel iMac, when they announced it, and the models were only rolled between 2-3 monthes later, the fact that people had to wait so long to get one, killed the buzz, the iMac isn't like the iPod when you're out of stock it's a good thing and customers have to wait 2-3 monthes to get one. The iPod is the must have gadget, so with the mini people were willing to wait. the iMac no matter how cool it is people won't wait two monthes for delivery after ordering it, the iMac is still a computer, no matter how cool it is
Nah... It's the chip(s). I imagine they didn't announce it at WWDC because they're not sure yet just how many chips they'll have available at each speed. They probably have several ranges of speeds ready to go, depending on supplies. The last thing they need is another G4 fiasco where thay can't get chips that are as fast as they promised.
I have said it many times in other places, the hardware division is a flipping mess, get Jobs out of Marketing and product line up. You got to keep the pro's happy then do it but dont do it at the expense of the billions of consumers outhere. They have crippled Imac so bad its crazy. All these years of making iMac a literal dog performance wise has cost them their market. It should have allways had the fastest single cpu they could get their hands on but instead they gave it it leftovers from powermac and this has nearly killed it and Apples market. I would fire whoever runs Hardware, be it Jobs then so be it. Can anyone remember any product that shipped on time? Clean house and build a cheapo mac for the newbies and a powerful consumer model for the gamers and prosumers. KILL the TIER STRUCTURE before it KILLS APPLE!
with that said watch them release in Sept a 1.6 G5 with FX5200 and monitor attached.
Would you just get off your crippled iMac story. Nobody is buying that crap but you. The iMac is not crippled. It's not intended as a Pro workstation, and we all know it. If YOU don't your an idiot! Do you and every consumer have $5,000 to spend on an iMac. A few people may buy $5,000 iMacs, but Apple has to offer something for people that don't, and the iMac is it. You have not even seen, or have any idea what is powering this new iMac.
Apple does not have an 83 billion dollar war chest to throw away computers that wont sell for sh*t.
There is only one Apple, and they have made it this far by offering the best pro software, the best OS, and the best possible user experience they can by splitting their products into carefully thought out positions, and points that remain attractive to the user while trying to remain as affordable as possible. 2% market share doesn't give you the luxury of making different computers for every day of the week. You cant compare Apple to PC's in these regards because the PC is 1000's of companies in-which all of them can offer something different from one another and saturate the computing market with useless options.
Your argument doesn't hold water in the real world. The tiering system is what has held Apple together throughout. Your ignorance immaturity, and inexperience has blinded your view of reason, and reality. The tiers are at times unattractive to some, but it's not because the tier structure is lacking in conceptual design, or reason. It's because if the lack of available design time do to lack of available processors. If (Motorola) IBM has not handed Apple a processor to design a motherboard around in X amount of time what choices does Apple have to offer when time X comes around? Think about that for a minute . This has been a struggle Apple has been dealing with for years, but they have decided to ride it out, and it will soon pay off.
I would not be so quick to assume that the new iMacs are G5s. Now while I believe the G5 will be the most likely processor, there's still a nagging little voice saying, "It's still too early.".
Apple has already gone on record (and very recently I might add) saying how difficult it is get a G5 into a smaller form factor. So don't be too surprised if the iMac stays with the G4 until sometime next year.
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Originally posted by Eugene
This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.
You can say royal again. Right from the top.
Steve's outlived his usefulness. Marketshare is declining and unit sales dropping. The Mac is becoming more and more irrelevant everyday. The iPod is Apple's only saving grace, but even that is only a tiny portion of their revenue and profits.
Originally posted by Eugene
This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.
I think people are taking all this way out of proprtion, Apple could have easily announced the new Machines today and say, shipping in September, and then everyone will flame them for the 2 monthes wait, but the bottom line would have remained the same, 1-2 monthes without iMacs(depending how long current stock remains).
I think Apple did a smart move, they Announced the new iMac, without actually announcing it, they started a buzz, and people are starting to get ready for the release to buy a new iMac, and the smart thing is Apple will have immediate availbility. The biggest problem of the 2nd Generation iMac and why it lost it's buzz as quickly as it did(remember Apple tried to recreate the buzz with the 17" model, something that wasn't planed, Jobs said in his intro the goal was to lower iMac prices over time, that never happened cause they decided to issue larger screens for buzz) was the long waiting list for the iMacs, people don't want to order a computer and wait 2 monthes for it, that cost Apple alot of sales, people just didn't want to wait.
The way I see it Apple just created a Buzz for a product that will have immediate availbilty and will hopefully sell like crazy
Originally posted by Existence
You can say royal again. Right from the top.
Steve's outlived his usefulness. Marketshare is declining and unit sales dropping. The Mac is becoming more and more irrelevant everyday. The iPod is Apple's only saving grace, but even that is only a tiny portion of their revenue and profits.
with that said watch them release in Sept a 1.6 G5 with FX5200 and monitor attached.
Originally posted by Eugene
This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.
I agree. While the iMac wasn't selling well at least as there was the opportunity to sell them. Now, which I really can't believe, there are no iMacs available (or hardly any) for the next 60 days.
Regarding Wall Street, I suppose this is why the announcement was made on July, 1: the first of a new quarter.
Originally posted by BRussell
Well look at it this way, these things haven't been selling anyway, so it shouldn't hurt their revenues much.
I bet unit sales will be terrible though--as will be marketshare. If unit sales fall below 500k, I dare say it, it's all over for Apple. I don't know if they'll be that terrible though.
They didn't exactly seem to be flying off the shelves as of late. And had Apple attempted some sort of stop-gap move by plopping in a 1.5GHz G4, a hard drive bump and maybe a faster SuperDrive, does anyone REALLY think that would've made much of a difference, especially if the prices remained as is?
No.
People here - and other forums - would've lost their minds, ripping Apple to pieces. At least now we KNOW something new - and better - is coming. Has to be a G5, or something "worth it" because I don't think they'd re-do a whole new design to top out at a 1.5GHz G4.
Although, it IS Apple...
Two months. Settle down, for crying out loud. People wait longer than that for vital organ transplants.
Originally posted by pscates
Two months. Settle down, for crying out loud. People wait longer than that for vital organ transplants.
I think Apple makes those...
Originally posted by a_greer
note kormacs absents from this thread.....
That's funny, I was interpreting this as a confirmation of Kormac's statements... I mean, if it caught Apple off guard, it not surprisingly caught Kormac off guard.
I'm betting SOMETHING - either an actual photo or a really dead-on illustration (along the lines of the display rendering at ThinkSecret a few weeks ago) - is bound to surface, and soon.
Too easy for this stuff to find its way out. All it takes is one careless OR malicious employee (or simply some anonymous schmo, somewhere in the chain) to open their mouth, click "Send" on their e-mail, etc.
Bet we see some leaked imagery in short order...say two-three weeks.
Originally posted by Eugene
It doesn't make any sense at all for them to do this. It would have been better to show something off at WWDC to freeze sales of the old iMac. Nobody would order it, and they wouldn't have to reveal that inventory is running out.
it makes perfect sense, Apple learned from the mistake of the Flat Panel iMac, when they announced it, and the models were only rolled between 2-3 monthes later, the fact that people had to wait so long to get one, killed the buzz, the iMac isn't like the iPod when you're out of stock it's a good thing and customers have to wait 2-3 monthes to get one. The iPod is the must have gadget, so with the mini people were willing to wait. the iMac no matter how cool it is people won't wait two monthes for delivery after ordering it, the iMac is still a computer, no matter how cool it is
Originally posted by pscates
Maybe it's something other than the chip...
[whistles innocently...]
Nah... It's the chip(s). I imagine they didn't announce it at WWDC because they're not sure yet just how many chips they'll have available at each speed. They probably have several ranges of speeds ready to go, depending on supplies. The last thing they need is another G4 fiasco where thay can't get chips that are as fast as they promised.
Originally posted by Aurora
I have said it many times in other places, the hardware division is a flipping mess, get Jobs out of Marketing and product line up. You got to keep the pro's happy then do it but dont do it at the expense of the billions of consumers outhere. They have crippled Imac so bad its crazy. All these years of making iMac a literal dog performance wise has cost them their market. It should have allways had the fastest single cpu they could get their hands on but instead they gave it it leftovers from powermac and this has nearly killed it and Apples market. I would fire whoever runs Hardware, be it Jobs then so be it. Can anyone remember any product that shipped on time? Clean house and build a cheapo mac for the newbies and a powerful consumer model for the gamers and prosumers. KILL the TIER STRUCTURE before it KILLS APPLE!
with that said watch them release in Sept a 1.6 G5 with FX5200 and monitor attached.
Would you just get off your crippled iMac story. Nobody is buying that crap but you. The iMac is not crippled. It's not intended as a Pro workstation, and we all know it. If YOU don't your an idiot! Do you and every consumer have $5,000 to spend on an iMac. A few people may buy $5,000 iMacs, but Apple has to offer something for people that don't, and the iMac is it. You have not even seen, or have any idea what is powering this new iMac.
Apple does not have an 83 billion dollar war chest to throw away computers that wont sell for sh*t.
There is only one Apple, and they have made it this far by offering the best pro software, the best OS, and the best possible user experience they can by splitting their products into carefully thought out positions, and points that remain attractive to the user while trying to remain as affordable as possible. 2% market share doesn't give you the luxury of making different computers for every day of the week. You cant compare Apple to PC's in these regards because the PC is 1000's of companies in-which all of them can offer something different from one another and saturate the computing market with useless options.
Your argument doesn't hold water in the real world. The tiering system is what has held Apple together throughout. Your ignorance immaturity, and inexperience has blinded your view of reason, and reality. The tiers are at times unattractive to some, but it's not because the tier structure is lacking in conceptual design, or reason. It's because if the lack of available design time do to lack of available processors. If (Motorola) IBM has not handed Apple a processor to design a motherboard around in X amount of time what choices does Apple have to offer when time X comes around? Think about that for a minute . This has been a struggle Apple has been dealing with for years, but they have decided to ride it out, and it will soon pay off.
Apple has already gone on record (and very recently I might add) saying how difficult it is get a G5 into a smaller form factor. So don't be too surprised if the iMac stays with the G4 until sometime next year.
Just my 2 bits,
C.