Dean versus Nader

existenceexistence
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in General Discussion edited January 2014
There's going to be a debate this friday between Dean and Nader. It should be very interesting.



There's also a group now that promises a convention floor fight with John Kerry if Dean is not picked as his running mate.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...724EDT0661.DTL



I say if it takes a convention floor fight to make John Kerry realize that he has neglected the progressive left, then so be it. Or alternatively, just force John Kerry kicking and screaming (or flipping and flopping) into a Kerry-Dean ticket by getting the 600-750 delegates necessary for viability.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 12
    andersanders Posts: 6,523member
    How stupid is it possible for people to be? I hope they will read up on the 1968 democratic convention and see how that election went for the democrats.
  • Reply 2 of 12
    existenceexistence Posts: 991member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Anders

    How stupid is it possible for people to be? I hope they will read up on the 1968 democratic convention and see how that election went for the democrats.



    Yea, I hope they do. It was a big mistake to nominate Hubert Humphrey (pro-war) instead of Eugene McCarthy (anti-war) just like it was a big mistake to nominate Kerry instead of Dean.
  • Reply 3 of 12
    existenceexistence Posts: 991member
    Kerry is going to announce his VP choice tomorrow. It's curious Dean will be in the spotlight this week debating Nader in the same week as Kerry's VP choice.



    Hope Springs Eternal.



    But I bet it will be a DNC hack like Clark.

  • Reply 4 of 12
    existenceexistence Posts: 991member
    http://www.npr.org/



    Nader debating Dean now!
  • Reply 5 of 12
    andersanders Posts: 6,523member
    Archived on www.c-span.org now.
  • Reply 6 of 12
    existenceexistence Posts: 991member
    I was suprised how mean Dean was to Nader, especially when you watch the C-span video.
  • Reply 7 of 12
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    Mean?



    The fact is, conservative Republicans are among Nader's biggest supporters. I didn't see the whole thing, but I saw Nader whine when Dean pointed out that fact.
  • Reply 8 of 12
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    UNTIL now I had always been annoyed that even the liberals here said Nader had an "ego." I thought, no, he just wants real change. Sure it's impossible with him and almost any other 3rd party unfortunately, but I thought that was why he was sticking to his guns. Now that I know he is taking blood money I mean Republican money I think he IS just doing it because he has an ego. Come on. I thought he was running on principal. He has no morals if he is taking Republican blood money.



    And calling Dean a party apologist is just dumb. Dean is awesome maybe he should be in the Cabinet, maybe EPA head or some other position. I can't believe Bush gets away with crap like Christine Todd Whitman that bitch as EPA head. That's like having Dick Cheney head an Energy Task Force. Or a crack dealer in charge of a rehab clinic..
  • Reply 9 of 12
    andersanders Posts: 6,523member
    What is wrong in taking rep money? As long as there isn´t any string attached then those dollars are as good as anyone elses, as they buy the opportunity to put Nadars message through. They will mostley end up funding material that somehow criticize Bush.



    For me it sounded like Nader was fishing for a commitment to voting reforms. I am absolutely sure he will drop out, if he is guaranteed that the dems will work seriously for that.
  • Reply 10 of 12
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Anders

    What is wrong in taking rep money? As long as there isn´t any string attached then those dollars are as good as anyone elses, as they buy the opportunity to put Nadars message through. They will mostley end up funding material that somehow criticize Bush.



    There's nothing illegal about it, but it's hypocritical.



    1. Nader has been saying he won't hurt the Democrats. Everyone knows he will, including the pro-Bush people who have been giving him support. And it's not just money - in some cases, the majority of signatures to get him on the ballot in specific states have been from pro-Bush voters.



    2. One of Nader's biggest criticisms of Democrats is that they take money from shady sources like corporations and PACs. But here he is taking money from right-wing sources, and he just shrugs it off and says he doesn't know or care where the money comes from.
    Quote:

    For me it sounded like Nader was fishing for a commitment to voting reforms. I am absolutely sure he will drop out, if he is guaranteed that the dems will work seriously for that.



    You don't know Nader very well. There is absolutely nothing that will make him drop out, and he's said that many times.
  • Reply 11 of 12
    existenceexistence Posts: 991member
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html



    http://www.infozine.com/news/stories...View/sid/2710/
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