Yamaha CRW-F1 CDRW Drive after $20 Rebate = Net $99

in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
Toast 5.2 Update + $12 Discus Etch Edition for Yamaha CRW-F1 [email protected] Support, Technology Web Page, and $20/$30 Rebate Form

<a href="http://www.roxio.com/en/support/roxio_support/toast/toast_software_updatesv5.jhtml"; target="_blank">http://www.roxio.com/en/support/roxio_support/toast/toast_software_updatesv5.jhtml</a>;

This is certified the real deal this time. Installed and works fine with 10.2.1 as far as I can tell.

There's no Yamaha CRW-F1 [email protected] Discus Etch Edition application with this update. ROXIO is going to leave it to Magic Mouse to provide the Discus Etch Edition for the Yamaha CRW-F1.

<a href="http://www.magicmouse.com/upgrades.html"; target="_blank">http://www.magicmouse.com/upgrades.html</a>;

$10 to buy a CD from the Discus Etch Edition developer. That's the solution provided my Magic Mouse.

Check out the web page Yamaha has put up to further explain the [email protected] Technology with graphics and pictures:

<a href="http://www.yamahamultimedia.com/yec/tech/discta2_01.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.yamahamultimedia.com/yec/tech/discta2_01.htm</a>;

Also Don't forget your $20 rebate on the internal good 'ti next Spring:

<a href="http://www.yamaha.com/specials.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.yamaha.com/specials.htm</a>;

[ 10-27-2002: Message edited by: Multimedia ]</p>


  • Reply 1 of 6
    [quote]Originally posted by Multimedia:

    <strong>This is certified the real deal this time. Go get it gang!

    There's no Yamaha CRW-F1 [email protected] Discus updated application with this update. This is BULL****! ROXIO is going to hang us out to dry without the Discus update for Yamaha CRW-F1?

    That's the author of Discus that won't let us have a copy of the CRW-F1 supported Discus that's only in the external Yamaha CRW-F1 Retail Box. Let's go get 'em gang! Start the letter writing campaign. This is an outrage!

    Here send them a letter like this so they know we're not alone:</strong><hr></blockquote>

    If you want to be perceived as an hysterical 12-yo who can be safely ignored (or worse, patted on the head), this is absolutely the way to go about it. If (on the other hand) you want your concerns taken seriously, this is the wrong way.

    Address YAMAHA, not the author/reseller; THEY are the ones who decide what they bundle w/ their drives. Describe the existing situation & what is (in your opinion) wrong with it; ask them to provide the remedy you prefer; ask them to respond directly to you.

    No threats, no outrage, no ultimata, no extra words: short, sweet, to the point, and business-like. It may or may not get you what you want, but it might keep your REQUEST out of File 13.
  • Reply 2 of 6
    I now have a better understanding of what is going on.

    Yamaha doesn't care. They didn't pay for Discus to be developed. Roxio did. And Yamaha doesn't care about making sure internal IDE buyers get a copy of Discus EE (that's the name of the F1 specific version.) Yamaha is trying to negotiate a deal with Apple to make the F1 their primary or at least a BTO CDR drive. Yamaha is also working on packaging an internal IDE version for Mac but perhaps only sold through the Apple stores online and physical. I don't know what they're thinking. The deal is in negotiations right now.

    I have spoken on the phone with the Product Marketing Managers at Magic Mouse (authors of Discus for Yamaha CRW-F1) and Yamaha. Roxio tech support says they never even touched Discus for F1.

    This is a very complicated political and economic situation among the three companies. Short version is that Roxio doesn't want to pay Magic Mouse for the cost of offering the Discus for F1 as part of the update although Magic Mouse only wants a few cents per download. Yamaha doesn't want to offer Discus for F1 in the internal boxes because of the perceived market for Mac internals as being too small. Bottom line is that Magic Mouse is screwed by the big boys.

    Magic Mouse will make a CD-ROM of the Yamaha F1 version of Discus EE available to everyone for about $10 soon. They can't afford to make it available for download at their website because they are small and can't afford the large download charge they would have to incurr from their server company if they did.

    The story is much more convoluted than that but that's all I can write for now to keep you up to date.

    Bottom line is we need to be complaining to Roxio for being such CHEAP SKATES when it comes to Magic Mouse's contribution to the solution.

    Chris Gorog

    President and Chief Executive Officer

    Roxio, Inc.

    455 El Camino Real

    Santa Clara, CA 95050

    (408) 367-3100
  • Reply 4 of 6
    Since some readers seem confused let me clarify.

    Yamaha has come out with a revolutionary 44x24x44x CDR drive ? the CRW-F1 ? that writes CDRs and CDRWs in a completely different way than all the preceeding and new other brand CDR drives do. It also can etch graphics and text onto the unused portion of the CDR.

    Toast Lite 5.1.6 and Toast Titanium 5.2 are the first versions to support this new drive's unique writing and etching technologies. But to etch the graphics and text, you ALSO need an application by the developer Magic Mouse called Discus Etch Edition or Discus EE (DEE). DEE works in conjunction with Toast 5.2 or Toast Lite 5.1.6 (in the Firewire version of F1 not yet shipping) to plan and execute the etching design and text.

    Discus is part of the Toast Titanium 5 Suite of applications. But because of political and economic forces, Roxio is not releasing Discus EE to existing Toast Titanium 5 owners as part of the 5.2 update. And Yamaha won't put Discus EE in with the internal F1 box because they don't want to pay royalties to Magic Mouse for copies that PC users won't use.

    Moreover, Yamaha doesn't want a relationship with Magic Mouse because they don't want to hurt Roxio's feelings. Yamaha thinks that if they develop a direct relationship with Magic Mouse that Roxio will stop its relationship with Yamaha. So those smart Mac owners who are scraping their obsolete CDRs for the revolutionary Yamaha F1 are having trouble getting Discus EE for the internal IDE model.

    Fortunately now, Magic Mouse will sell Discus EE on a CD to F1 owners directly for $10. This is a solution that I personally negotiated. Until I intervened, Magic Mouse didn't even know there was this problem.

    It's a big political can of worms. If you want to know more about it reply and I will go into it in more depth. Is that clearer?
  • Reply 5 of 6
    From today's <a href="http://www.macintouch.com"; target="_blank">http://www.macintouch.com</a>;

    Roxio has posted notes about Toast 5.2 problems on a Toast tips page, including an explanation for the sudden-quits issue, which apparently is caused by a silent anti-piracy mechanism:

    <a href="http://www.roxio.com/en/support/roxio_support/toast/toast_top_support_notes.html#TIPS"; target="_blank">http://www.roxio.com/en/support/roxio_support/toast/toast_top_support_notes.html#TIPS</a>;

    "Toast updaters check for a valid copy of Toast 5 Titanium, install the updated application, then rename the enclosing folder to the new version number, and leave the previous versions of Toast Titanium intact within the updated folder. The valid serial number from the original application is inherited by the update - no reserialization is necessary. However if you suspect you are having a CD-Key related issue, try the following:

    a.\tControl Click (hold the control button while clicking) on the Toast application, and select the option "Show Package Contents.

    b.\tOpen the Contents folder, then the MacOS folder.

    c.\tDelete the rox.dat file.

    d.\tClose all Windows and Launch Toast.

    e.\tEnter your CD-Key and Toast should launch fine.

    Note: You must have your valid CD-Key available before deleting the rox.dat file as you will be required to enter it the next time you launch the Toast application . Enter your CD-Key as it appears on the materials that came with your original product packaging. Some CD-Keys begin with 2 characters, while others begin with 4 characters. Both of these formats work with Toast 5.2.

    And "Jimbob" emailed a note about another Toast issue:

    The bit about the user agreeing to allow Roxio to install copyright protection items at will no longer appears in the user agreement. Sometimes the squeaky wheel does get the grease. "
  • Reply 6 of 6
    Well all the different CRW-F1 models are now all in stock on the store shelves and the internal IDE retail boxed model is now $99 after rebate plus sales tax of about $9.40 in California. The box says $179 but it's on sale at Fry's for $119 this weekend. The external USB 2 is $230 and the dual ported USB 2 AND FireWire External model is $280. So I pulled the trigger, bought the IDE retail box and swapped out my 2 year old Plextor 12x10x32x from my ADS 1394 Pyro box and it works perfectly.

    I ripped a few albums from iTunes 3.0.1 into MP3s from the external F1 and it rips directly without an extraction step just like it's an internal at up to 8.8X on my old 500 MHz Cube. I never got better than 7X rips from the Cube's internal DVD/CD-ROM drive. All the rips were consistently more than 7X. Even though it was reading @ 44X the mechanism is extremely smooth and vibration free. Just the wooshing sound of the high speed reading is all you hear.

    I also have the Discus Etch Edition that works with Toast 5.2 to burn [email protected] of graphics and text into the unused outer circumference of the CDRs. Toast 5.2 sees the F1 and adds the Discus interface to the menu system so that the etching setup process is integrated into Toast 5.2. Unfortunately there is no Etch Edition documentation, so I am clueless as to how to use it. I'll have to get back to you on that after I talk to the developer, Magic Mouse, Monday.

    Further reports this week.
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