New questions (I hope) here!!!!

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
Well, i know you guys and girls have answered to thousands of similar threads but please do it for once more!

I have read most of the threads with similar context, so i will try not to ask the same questions.

Here is my case:

I havent buy a new mac for 6 years.I have never used MacOS X productively (My last experience was 7.1, one of the most stable versions of MacOS i think).The last years, i have been stuck with pc's, lots of them. But as now i have to rely entirely on my laptop, due to constant travelling, I feel so depressed. Blue screens at the most inappropriate moments, small hard disk, crashes all the time, and all the things u get if you install more than Office on a windows box.

Cause of my work, and cause of my taste, i also use linux but booting all the time in two Oses is not the most productive thing. When MacOS came I said cool, unix and Mac together (and whats more BSD like, which i prefer from linux).But the need for specialized windows programs kept me on the dark side.

Well, here re my thoughts:

Ibook, the 12-inch combo seems ok for me and my budget (also with max RAM)

Questions:

a)Speed of virtual PC running non 3d applications?

b)Experiences of you unix freaks guys with X?

c)I know apple models have a greater lfe span than PC's (and i mean the time you can productively use them). But with todays standards how much time will you expect that a 800 ibook with the 32radeon could stand a decent performance?

d)and finallly even you mac addicts, if productivity was your primary target, would u choose an apple or a PC on the ibook price range?

Thats it, please try to be helpful, for my budget even the ibook is a beyond the limits invesment, but i m determined to do it if i am going to be saved from windows and cheapy pc equipment as long as i will be able to do my work for 2 years or more without a feeling that my machine is toooo slow.

Thank you all

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 16
    [quote]Originally posted by samson:

    <strong>

    a)Speed of virtual PC running non 3d applications?

    b)Experiences of you unix freaks guys with X?

    c)I know apple models have a greater lfe span than PC's (and i mean the time you can productively use them). But with todays standards how much time will you expect that a 800 ibook with the 32radeon could stand a decent performance?

    d)and finallly even you mac addicts, if productivity was your primary target, would u choose an apple or a PC on the ibook price range?

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    a: no 3D in virtual PC

    b: it's full UNIX

    c: it depends on what you are doing and what you consider decent. If I bought one, I'd keep it for at least two years before looking to replace it.

    d: if I was buying a laptop in the iBook's price range, it would have to be an iBook. Most PC laptops are junk, and the ones which aren't are very expensive.
  • Reply 2 of 16
    imudimud Posts: 140member
    What type of apps do you have to use for work?



    I got a 17" imac and a big part of my decision was the unix. Its like linux with the best GUI you have ever seen and the ability to run commercial apps like M$ office and Photoshop. I use it on my home network and have no problems sharing files with my wifes pc laptop (she wants an ibook like the one you are thinking of) She is a professor and does her class presentations with powerpoint on her laptop then burns them to cd on the imac (she would do it all on the imac but its hard to get me away from it). I switched from a 1ghz AMD to the 800 mghz imac and it seems to be just as fast if not faster and I have found mac counter parts or alternatives for everything I did on my pc.
  • Reply 3 of 16
    apps i will be using:

    Grass (i konw there is a X port with a cocoa interface as well)

    Autocad

    Arcview (but its not demanding, it runs on my 600mhz laptop with 64mb of ram very well)

    ERDAS Imagine (there is a BSD port for it, i hope it will work on X with Xwindows)

    Matlab(only for MacOS 9)

    And i also need a developing enviroment.

    For c and c++ mostly

    Is the Apple's Developers tools included in the software package?
  • Reply 4 of 16
    stoostoo Posts: 1,490member
    Whether or not the developer tools are included isn't mentioned in the iBook PDF, but is in the PowerBook one. Probably best to phone Apple and ask.
  • Reply 5 of 16
    iBook should ship with the dev tools CD included in the package. Even if they weren't, the whole set of tools is available as a free download from Apple.



    (mad props to the apple-buying madman murbot)
  • Reply 6 of 16
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,262member
    What Brad said.



    Although, I have heard of people NOT getting them... depends on what kind of mood the CD packing ladies are in that day.
  • Reply 6 of 16
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    get rid of AutoCad; Pro/E is the way to go!
  • Reply 8 of 16
    jccbinjccbin Posts: 476member
    Regarding Virtual PC: The more RAM, the Better. Usually more than a gig, but it runs OK under 10.2 with 768 MB RAM.



    The Developer tools will come as an installer on the Hard Drive, but not installed. They will work with ANSI C and C++ (Standard C tools will need to be run in terminal). You just double-click to install them.
  • Reply 9 of 16
    chychchych Posts: 860member
    No autocad or Pro/E in OS X, that'll have to be emulated in virtual pc... and ProE does not work in X on the Mac.



    VirtualPC is okay, I wouldn't run such drafting software in it even on my DP1250, interface is just too friggin slow, partly due to the graphics emulation virtual pc does. It does think it is a 667mhz 686 though (though this is using WinXP Pro with interface stuff turned off, I hear 2k is faster). Actually for numerical processes vpc is quite fast, but not for graphical (like rc5 scores are 3000MK/s for me in VPC, no altivec... versus 4000MK/s in OS X sub altivec).
  • Reply 10 of 16
    Hi,

    If it helps you decide, I sold my PowerBook G4 667 and bought the new iBook 800 12" combo model and pocketed the difference.

    It was an excellent decision, the iBook feels tougher, seems to run really quick in X, the new video chipset is a winner and I have run VPC and found it more than acceptable for 2d work.



    just my £0.026 pence worth (sorry don't speak american...yeah yeah take it to fireside chat...)
  • Reply 11 of 16
    on the website apple offers the developer tools for download for ADC members only.

    Also, ibook only gets 640 MB of ram, any hack for more memory wet?

    As for the software issue, the time i wll touch my mac i ll begin to work in order to have more scientific Unix software in MAcOSX (with Aqua interface ofcourse!)

    The basic reason i have opened this thread is cause my budget is too tight, but if i can have a decent graphical interface with Unix and sometimes windows i can spent these pounds (KDE is not decent yet in my opinion, comparing to commercial products).But the only thing i dont want is to find that my sexy new ibook is just sexy and not up to my expectations
  • Reply 12 of 16
    imudimud Posts: 140member
    The dev tools came with OS X, on my 17" imac they were in the form of a package that I had to install located in /Applications/Installers/Developer \\Tools . There was no seperate cd it was part of the normal software package on the software restore cds.
  • Reply 13 of 16
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    As for VPC, the older the WinOS the better. Win2k & XP are slower than the Win95/98 versions.
  • Reply 14 of 16
    chychchych Posts: 860member
    [quote]Originally posted by samson:

    <strong>on the website apple offers the developer tools for download for ADC members only.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Which is, of course, a free membership.
  • Reply 15 of 16
    After a lot of thinking, estimating pros and cons, and all this stuff (thats it sleeping for 10 hours), I woke up this morning and screamed "Where is the plastic?"

    Well, i couldnt resist.I confess.

    Now is even worse, waiting is a bad feeling.

    So one more question before my sweet thing arrives.

    What memory should i order?I have found so many sites with different prices.Any hints?
  • Reply 16 of 16
    amoryaamorya Posts: 1,103member
    Any you like that meets the spec. You don't need special Mac memory or anything.



    Crucial (http://www.crucial.com) is good, I've ordered a lot from them.



    Amorya
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