iChat AV dropping AOL support?

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in macOS edited January 2014
Hey,



Don't know if anyone has noticed this but in all the videos of tiger on the apple.com website the AOL "man" logo has been removed from the iChat AV icon.



What do you think this means? No AOL support...not that I would care, or just the end of a deal with AOL to sport there man logo.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 18
    dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
    I was praying it meant multiple protocol support instead of the dropping of AIM.

    (not a prediction)



    Apple's iChat/Tiger page:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/ichat.html
  • Reply 2 of 18
    charlesscharless Posts: 301member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by dfiler

    I was praying it meant multiple protocol support instead of the dropping of AIM.

    (not a prediction)



    Apple's iChat/Tiger page:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/ichat.html




    Dude, it says it right there on the page you linked to:



    Quote:

    Of course, iChat AV is also a versatile instant text messaging application, supporting AOL Instant Messenger and Jabber Instant Messenger clients.



  • Reply 3 of 18
    i really effin hope that apple drops AOL and makes their own instant messager client.



    i believe apple could provide us with with a quality application, so much so that i think it should(will) revolutionize instant messaging as we know it.



    theres been screen shots of the new iChatAV having a Video chatroom...



    that is just sick.



    i also think apple is capable of taking care of the stupid porn bots that are in every chatroom. i guess maybe an exploit would pop up eventually, but apple is good on addressing holes. if anything, it can be strictly for mac as it has been, thus keeping it more secure and bringing the apple community closer together =]



    but the main reason that i want Apple to drop AOL is this article....



    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1775649,00.asp



    if apple does go solo, they better not do that^ to us





    ***I really hope Apple reads and considers my post.



    P.S. does anyone know if that article will affect the macintosh version of AIM?

    it hasnt been updated in a while and a lot of features are different(better)



  • Reply 5 of 18
    guarthoguartho Posts: 1,208member
    Legalese makes my head hurt. I see that they addressed the privacy issue, but does this mean that if I collaborate with a friend on a story or script via AIM that AOL-Time-Warner gets rights to it!?
  • Reply 6 of 18
    onlookeronlooker Posts: 5,252member
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  • Reply 7 of 18
    slugheadslughead Posts: 1,169member
    What in god's name is wrong with AIM protocol?



    My friend is online, I send him a message.. what else do you want??



    Why would I possibly want to have Apple listening in on my conversations instead of AOL?



    Not to mention the market is so jam packed full of perfectly useful IM's, like yahoo, ICQ, MSN.



    Moreover, where's the money?



    I stopped using iChat because I got tired of having ICQ and iChat at the same time... Plus all those smilies and other stupidiy was driving me nuts. Now I just use fire and I couldn't be happier.
  • Reply 8 of 18
    chikarachikara Posts: 116member
    ....I think they just absolutely need to put in MSN support.



    I can't use iChat right now because half my friends are using MSN since everyone outside of the U.S. uses MSN and I have only talked to a couple people in foreign countries using AOL. The rest are all MSN.
  • Reply 9 of 18
    slugheadslughead Posts: 1,169member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by sickoperationz

    i explained my reason for wanting apple to make their own



    OK well I guess I didn't make myself clear, so I'll enumerate it point by point, instead of berating you for being an obvious emotional n00b.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by sickoperationz

    i also think apple is capable of taking care of the stupid porn bots that are in every chatroom.



    They'd have to inspect every single message going through their system.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by sickoperationz

    but the main reason that i want Apple to drop AOL is this article....



    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1775649,00.asp




    Well it's a nice thought that maybe Apple wouldn't do what all the other messaging services do, but it's a pipe dream.



    What AIM is basically talking about is a series of cases lost to the government over privacy concerns. AOL has always been the leader in advocating privacy, mostly because its TOS was so steadfast in advocating privacy, and the government was forcing AOL to break its own contract.



    Now, the government has stated that all IM's must be stored for a period of time so that they may be inspected should the request come. Therefore, AOL must modify it's TOS.



    The other stuff that follows are basically datamining. They can't steal your intellectual property, but they can redistribute it. This will allow for datamining and advertisements to eventually be adjusted for your interests.



    This is EXACTLY like what GMail does, and it is EXACTLY why I don't instant message or e-mail anything important. And anyone who did so before the TOS change was just kidding themselves.



    Since nobody has the presumption of privacy online anyway (or shouldn't, anyway), Apple would probably scan for lines about "Asteroid" or something.



    Apple is not a friend of free speech, as we've seen in the think secret cases.



    Apple can't do squat about the privacy problem online, it would be a federal crime met with federal penalties if they tried. AOL's actions should NOT alter your behavior, unless you're really stupid enough to think you had privacy before, because you most certainly did not.



    Click the link in my sig for more information.







    Finally, throughout your post, you seem to be indifferent to the fact that the IM client Apple would make would probably only be for mac. I don't know about you, but I barely know anyone with a mac that I'd like to talk to through IM. Everyone I know uses PCs, and you want Apple to make a product for "communication" that doesn't even communicate with 99.9% of people online? Sounds pretty worthless to me.
  • Reply 10 of 18
    Moving to Mac OS
  • Reply 11 of 18
    jonejone Posts: 102member
    If "Google Messenger" comes out for PC and uses the open Jabber protocol like the new iChat AV, all will be right with the world of instant messaging. Everyone seems to flock to whatever Google does, they have the power to rip people away from AIM, and since it's an open protocol, the focus will just be on making a good chat client, instead of worrying about who's on what protocol.
  • Reply 12 of 18
    wingnutwingnut Posts: 197member
    Dropping AIM would be tragic. Lots of people have AIM accounts, so why make them get something else? If nothing else, Apple needs to support AIM, if only to appear compatible with the rest of the world. If you hate AIM, then you don't have to use it. I personally don't want to have to get a new screen name, and then have to encourage everyone else I know that uses AIM to do the same thing as well.
  • Reply 13 of 18
    i was wrong to flame you slughead



    but let me clarify where i stand...



    Quote:

    quote:

    Originally posted by sickoperationz

    i also think apple is capable of taking care of the stupid porn bots that are in every chatroom.





    They'd have to inspect every single message going through their system.



    by your logic apple would have to "inspect every website going through safari to stop spyware" or have prior knowledge to every virus coding possible to prevent infection. but apple has neither of the two (or four)



    point is man.. apple isnt winblowz.. they arent a bunch of money hungry thieves. they love what they do... and so do i. i believe in them...



    do you know what the definition for science is? not the dictionary.com definition but the real one...



    "anything is possible, if you can imagine it"



    time and time again scientists have proven this statement to be tru (granted current time we're in, example; you cant go from the stone age to the information age, there needs to be a progression)



    in the end, i believe apple would be able to pull through, and if they did they would revolutionize instant messaging as they did computing



    hope ya feelin where im comin from? peace man
  • Reply 14 of 18
    vox barbaravox barbara Posts: 2,021member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by sickoperationz

    ...

    i believe apple could provide us with with a quality application, so much so that i think it should(will) revolutionize instant messaging as we know it.

    ...




    There is not much room left to revolutionize instant messaging

    as we know it, - to my humble knowledge.

    By all means apple should include as many protocols as possible.

    (*blink* blink* "Fire", anyone?)
  • Reply 15 of 18
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Vox Barbara

    There is not much room left to revolutionize instant messaging

    as we know it, - to my humble knowledge.





    But there is a way to revolutionize video conferencing with MPEG4 H264... but to this end we need a H264 video conf application for the PC too... iChat on PC with QuickTime 7 ?
  • Reply 16 of 18
    mr. memr. me Posts: 3,219member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by FrenchMac

    But there is a way to revolutionize video conferencing with MPEG4 H264... but to this end we need a H264 video conf application for the PC too... iChat on PC with QuickTime 7 ?



    H.264 would be an evolution, not a revolution. H.264 is a video format. With it your video chats would have better video, but the overall experience would be largely the same.
  • Reply 17 of 18
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Mr. Me

    H.264 would be an evolution, not a revolution. H.264 is a video format. With it your video chats would have better video, but the overall experience would be largely the same.



    Yes, I agree. But for me the revolution reside in the addition of a number of factors: use of open and universal protocols (H264 & Jabber), high quality application (iChat), high level webcam (iSight) and maybe a internet service. Mac + PC.



    Video conferencing done well (like the iTunes/iTMS/iPod are for the music).
  • Reply 18 of 18
    im sorry if you dont call lag-free video conferencing with the vid-windows arrangable in 3d-space revolutionary (conferencing where peoples eyes will even look at the person who they are talking to, everyone in a room all voices heard)... all in a community of mac users with porn-bot free chatrooms with the possibilities being endless on future versions,then you expect too much from our society.



    sure technology is ahead of this, but we are talking about a revolutionary change for the way society uses the technology as a whole, no technology can go from the laboratory to the market place the minute it is conceieved, unfortunately, because corporate scum always wants to maximize their profits. you should know this



    by your logic nothing has Ever been revolutionary, because this is the way it always works as an evolution of the market.
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