hopefully soon because they made the same dumbass mistake as with the first iMac, not having USB. They need to support their own f'ing standard. it should be on everything but the iBook.
hopefully soon because they made the same dumbass mistake as with the first iMac, not having USB. They need to support their own f'ing standard. it should be on everything but the iBook.
Apparently, FW800 is fairly expensive to implement, and it hasn't gained the support that FW800 has. The talk is that SATA2 will be the new high-speed external connector standard. FW1600 & FW3200 aren't even in the pipeline.
Personally I use, and like FW800, but it seems to be doomed to a somewhat limited overall usage. So Apple seems to be keeping it as a mostly pro interface, as opposed to a replacement for FW400, sadly.
I'd love to see an iMac with an FW800 port. I could connect it to the network at high speeds as a cheap and simple assistant station. Alas, it's not to be.
Quite frankly, I don't think it makes sense to have FW800 on the iMac right now anyways. The average buyer's much, much more likely to hook up an iPod or a DV camera than a 500 GB LaCie drive.
As JB72 pointed out, FW800 is (for now) a "pro" connector, and will probably stay that way for awhile if not fade out in favour of newer tech.
Quite frankly, I don't think it makes sense to have FW800 on the iMac right now anyways. The average buyer's much, much more likely to hook up an iPod or a DV camera than a 500 GB LaCie drive.
As JB72 pointed out, FW800 is (for now) a "pro" connector, and will probably stay that way for awhile if not fade out in favour of newer tech.
You make a good point but... Why would Apple put out a computer that not only does not offer there top of the line FW800 and why would they put the iMac out and already have it outdated in a sense? What do you mean when you say "pro" connector? What do you think the "newer tech" will be?
I figured that Apple had the opportunity to support FW with some products but when you look at the iPod favoring USB2 connections now. The only need for FW is for audio interfaces and a few other devices.
eSATA is going to take over and Apple might as well get onboard quickly and stop flogging FW. Keep systems at FW400 but add eSATA connections. There no longer is a benefit to hooking drives up to FW that eSATA cannot beat.
hopefully soon because they made the same dumbass mistake as with the first iMac, not having USB. They need to support their own f'ing standard. it should be on everything but the iBook.
I'm curious, what's the logic behind this? I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I'm serious. If the PowerMac is to the PowerBook as the iMac is to the iBook, then why would Apple include FW800 on the iMac but not the iBook?
And quite frankly, I doubt most iMac buyers would ever know they don't have FW800. The average user that needs FW800 is going to buy a PowerMac, not just because they need FW800, but because they also need (and can financially justify) the power of dual 2.5GHz G5's, 8GB RAM, etc. for video pre-production work.
Of course, that brings up a reason why FW800 may very well fall quietly away...the vast majority of people that need something better than FW400 today are the same people that are going to sink the extra money into more high-end solutions (Xserve RAID with Fibre Channel, or multiple Xserve RAIDs).
I figured that Apple had the opportunity to support FW with some products but when you look at the iPod favoring USB2 connections now. The only need for FW is for audio interfaces and a few other devices.
eSATA is going to take over and Apple might as well get onboard quickly and stop flogging FW. Keep systems at FW400 but add eSATA connections. There no longer is a benefit to hooking drives up to FW that eSATA cannot beat.
Fast external connections are hardly a professional feature. If anything, they're more important to consumer machines like the sort Apple makes -- hermetically sealed. With affordable HD video cams coming by year's end, multi-MP consumer digi-cams at rock bottom prices, all sorts of computer video codecs and PVR possibilities, not to mention ever growing MP3 collections. Accesss to big, cheap, FAST external storage is more important than ever. The digital life marketted directlt to consumers demands nothing less.
Professionals can and will roll their own NAS solutions, or buy towers that let them add any future I/O of their choice. Apple doesn't want its consumers buying those machines. They argue, that the consumer (AIO) experience can be just as good, if not better, for the consumer. Fine, just make it that way -- consumers NEED cheap, easy, FAST, standard, external I/O compatibility, not only because they aren't good at opening up the case and installing for themselves, but also because in the case of Apple, they simply don't have that option!
Don't believe any cost arguments, we're talking pennies. Apple has to learn that the only way to promote a standard is to actually USE IT in the machines they sell! If a significant portion of consumer machines came with FW800, more people would use it. Everything Apple sells save for the very bottom of the line ought to come with the best connections they have to offer. That includes FW800, s/pdif, and line-in.
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Originally posted by Aquatic
hopefully soon because they made the same dumbass mistake as with the first iMac, not having USB. They need to support their own f'ing standard. it should be on everything but the iBook.
The first iMac was the first Mac with USB.
Personally I use, and like FW800, but it seems to be doomed to a somewhat limited overall usage. So Apple seems to be keeping it as a mostly pro interface, as opposed to a replacement for FW400, sadly.
I'd love to see an iMac with an FW800 port. I could connect it to the network at high speeds as a cheap and simple assistant station. Alas, it's not to be.
As JB72 pointed out, FW800 is (for now) a "pro" connector, and will probably stay that way for awhile if not fade out in favour of newer tech.
Originally posted by Commodus
Quite frankly, I don't think it makes sense to have FW800 on the iMac right now anyways. The average buyer's much, much more likely to hook up an iPod or a DV camera than a 500 GB LaCie drive.
As JB72 pointed out, FW800 is (for now) a "pro" connector, and will probably stay that way for awhile if not fade out in favour of newer tech.
You make a good point but... Why would Apple put out a computer that not only does not offer there top of the line FW800 and why would they put the iMac out and already have it outdated in a sense? What do you mean when you say "pro" connector? What do you think the "newer tech" will be?
I figured that Apple had the opportunity to support FW with some products but when you look at the iPod favoring USB2 connections now. The only need for FW is for audio interfaces and a few other devices.
eSATA is going to take over and Apple might as well get onboard quickly and stop flogging FW. Keep systems at FW400 but add eSATA connections. There no longer is a benefit to hooking drives up to FW that eSATA cannot beat.
Originally posted by Aquatic
hopefully soon because they made the same dumbass mistake as with the first iMac, not having USB. They need to support their own f'ing standard. it should be on everything but the iBook.
I'm curious, what's the logic behind this? I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I'm serious. If the PowerMac is to the PowerBook as the iMac is to the iBook, then why would Apple include FW800 on the iMac but not the iBook?
And quite frankly, I doubt most iMac buyers would ever know they don't have FW800. The average user that needs FW800 is going to buy a PowerMac, not just because they need FW800, but because they also need (and can financially justify) the power of dual 2.5GHz G5's, 8GB RAM, etc. for video pre-production work.
Of course, that brings up a reason why FW800 may very well fall quietly away...the vast majority of people that need something better than FW400 today are the same people that are going to sink the extra money into more high-end solutions (Xserve RAID with Fibre Channel, or multiple Xserve RAIDs).
Originally posted by hmurchison
FW 800 is toast.
I figured that Apple had the opportunity to support FW with some products but when you look at the iPod favoring USB2 connections now. The only need for FW is for audio interfaces and a few other devices.
eSATA is going to take over and Apple might as well get onboard quickly and stop flogging FW. Keep systems at FW400 but add eSATA connections. There no longer is a benefit to hooking drives up to FW that eSATA cannot beat.
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo-x_esata8.html
With all eight connectors working, this thing will push at around 500MB/sec...
Originally posted by MacRonin
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo-x_esata8.html
With all eight connectors working, this thing will push at around 500MB/sec...
http://storcase.com/options/rjr400.asp
or this
http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1en2/
Once I get my next Mac.
http://www.g-technology.com/Products/G-SATA.cfm
Professionals can and will roll their own NAS solutions, or buy towers that let them add any future I/O of their choice. Apple doesn't want its consumers buying those machines. They argue, that the consumer (AIO) experience can be just as good, if not better, for the consumer. Fine, just make it that way -- consumers NEED cheap, easy, FAST, standard, external I/O compatibility, not only because they aren't good at opening up the case and installing for themselves, but also because in the case of Apple, they simply don't have that option!
Don't believe any cost arguments, we're talking pennies. Apple has to learn that the only way to promote a standard is to actually USE IT in the machines they sell! If a significant portion of consumer machines came with FW800, more people would use it. Everything Apple sells save for the very bottom of the line ought to come with the best connections they have to offer. That includes FW800, s/pdif, and line-in.