New anti-fileswapping law

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in General Discussion edited January 2014

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  • Reply 1 of 18
    gene cleangene clean Posts: 3,481member
    dang... this will keep ME from doing anything that might mean $250,000
  • Reply 2 of 18
    trick falltrick fall Posts: 1,271member
    That law is seriously scary on both fronts. The dvd player that can screen content is crazy?
  • Reply 3 of 18
    I think this crap only hurts the movie industry, especially in the long run. Imagine Sony and/or Apple making movies available online, like iTunes. After all this crap from Hollywood, why would anyone want to contribute money to the same organization like this? I wouldn't.
  • Reply 4 of 18
    telomartelomar Posts: 1,804member
    I can't say i have any problem with them targeting pre-released movies. It's the same as if you leak company secrets, you deserve to be hunted down and punished.



    That said on of the ironies is that file swappers are normally people who wouldn't buy the item anyway, they just download it because they can so in fact the industry loses and gains nothing except a lot of annoyed actual customers.
  • Reply 5 of 18
    Laws over something else they can't stop? Love it. Just love it.
  • Reply 6 of 18
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    When do you think P2P users will overtake the black drug user population in prison?



    Prisoner1: ?So what are you in for?

    Prisoner2: ?oh I downloaded Mary Poppins the directors cut from the net?,

    Prisoner1: ?gasp, in post 911 are you stupid!?

    Prisoner2: ?Yeah, I thought it was ok, I?m just a student. And you??

    Prisoner1: ?Raped and killed my mom, then cut her head off and used it as bowling ball down a dark alley?
  • Reply 7 of 18
    jwmjwm Posts: 15member
    Guys - I just love the US Justice system....



    The problem is that these laws seem to cross the Atlantic and our Right-wing, money grabbing, corporate mess of a Labour government will try to do the same...



    The more people that make music, films etc. for money, the blander the product.
  • Reply 8 of 18
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,698member
    Some of you are unbelievable! Are you seriously telling me that you think it is perfectly acceptable to pirate movies?



    Do you think it is acceptable to steal a DVD from a bricks & mortar store? What's the difference between doing that and downloading something from the internet?



    Have you ever seen those things at the end of movies called the credits? You know all of those names that go scrolling by for several minutes? All of those people are employed or contracted by the movie studio. On top of those people directly employed, what about all of the supporting industries, such as cinemas and equipment (cameras etc.) manufacturers? Have you ever stopped to think about the total number of people in employment whose jobs depend on the success of the movie industry?



    It takes millions of dollars to produce a movie, and you have to recoup your investment somehow. Letting people watch the movie for a few dollars at a time seems fair enough to me. You also need to make profits to invest in future movies.



    It can be quite hard to predict which films will make money, so you have to make enough profit to cover the cost of films that flop. The less money that a studio makes the more likely it is to only invest in brainless summer blockbusters that it knows will make money.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by Relic



    Prisoner1: ?So what are you in for?

    Prisoner2: ?oh I downloaded Mary Poppins the directors cut from the net?,

    Prisoner1: ?gasp, in post 911 are you stupid!?

    Prisoner2: ?Yeah, I thought it was ok, I?m just a student. And you??

    Prisoner1: ?Raped and killed my mom, then cut her head off and used it as bowling ball down a dark alley?




    Using the excuse that other people have done much worse things is an exceptionally poor justification for morally dubious behaviour.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by JWM

    The more people that make music, films etc. for money, the blander the product.



    Really? So, where are all these amazing movies that have been made for no money whatsoever? I have seen some people argue that if the movie and/or music industries did not exist, we'd be left only with people who make movies or music because that's what they enjoy doing (i.e. these people would be doing it for free) and that this would result in higher quality and more originality.



    What I'd like to know is: How is the existence of these industries preventing this from happening already? The existence of Microsoft does not stop open-source software development. If you don't like the output of the big movie studios and you apparently know where to get movies that have been made for zero cost, why are you complaining?
  • Reply 9 of 18
    telomartelomar Posts: 1,804member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Mr. H

    Using the excuse that other people have done much worse things is an exceptionally poor justification for morally dubious behaviour.



    No but the punishment should be just and fit the crime. My issue is they are taking a somewhat extreme stance on pirates.



    As a general aside the ability to download things in advance has led to me buying a lot more music than I did prior. Listening to a whole bunch of artists I wouldn't have otherwise listened to would have actually increased their sales.



    Can't say the same for movies. Personally I find downloaded movies a waste of time. They are always encoded so poorly and you can always borrow them from your local video store.
  • Reply 10 of 18
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,698member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Telomar

    No but the punishment should be just and fit the crime. My issue is they are taking a somewhat extreme stance on pirates.



    Point taken. Perhaps jail terms are going a bit too far. Perhaps the bill should have just made it easier/quicker to fine people.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by Telomar

    As a general aside the ability to download things in advance has led to me buying a lot more music than I did prior. Listening to a whole bunch of artists I wouldn't have otherwise listened to would have actually increased their sales.



    Personally, I consider this to be a perfectly acceptable use of p2p software. I can't believe that the music business hasn't caught on to this. 30 second music previews from the likes of iTunes are pretty pitiful. Using DRM they could easily allow you to download entire tracks for free that expired after 30 days. This would allow people better to decide whether a particular artist/track/album was for them.



    The only problem is that a lot of people don't use p2p for this, they use it so that they don't have to pay for anything, ever. I think that the time-out suggestion made above doesn't happen because the music industry is afraid that people would just circumvent the DRM in some way. Perhaps they should trust people more.



    Unfortunately there does seem to be an alarming proportion of people in my generation (I'm 25) who seem to think that they should get movies and music for free (judging by the percentages of people who think that using p2p to acquire said products is acceptable).
  • Reply 11 of 18
    As longs as there are computers and there are hackers, people will find ways around anything. Sadly, it's the nature of the beast.



    I'm a college student with a high-speed connection, so yeah, I've downloaded a good deal of music and movies off the web; however, once I get around to listening to / watching them it doesn't surprise me while people are pirating things. If I like an artist, I WILL support them ... I still think $15 is a ridiculous amount to pay for a CD, but I will go buy it if the music is good. Same thing with DVD's ... I'm always busy, so I don't get time to go to the movies, so I download them when they're available and watch them. If it was a good movie that I really enjoyed, I'll either see it in the theater or buy the DVD. Everything I downloaded that's crap, just gets trashed. Thanks to the RIAA, pirating has become even more pronounced.



    One thing that strikes me as odd though is the fact NO ONE pays attention to software pirating - and that is where the money is. Yeah, you can get Adobe CS, Macromedia Studio, FCP, Shake, iWork, iLife, DVD Studio Pro Maya Unlimited, etc, etc. off of various P2P networks ... and no one seems to care. I'm kind of curious as to why not? Some of the software retails in the $1000 + range and took teams of engineers and programmers months and years to develop. To me, that's the greater crime ... especially when there are tons of websites devoted to supplying cracks, keygens, and serial numbers to pirate the software.



    No law is going to stop pirating. The RIAA and MPAA are not going to stop it. It'll never stop ... it's an integral part of our world now, and pirating is here to stay...
  • Reply 12 of 18
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    What?s with the bible thumping Mr. H, or should I say captain morality? Do you really think the Music/Movie industry is going after P2P users to help all those poor ?Credits people? collect their paychecks? Noooo, that?s what the teamsters are for, it?s to protect the margins of the executives and producers. The real victim is I, having to pay 20 ? 30 dollars for a DVD is excessive if not absurd to the point of laughter. I for one condone any behavior that promotes taking these pricks down a peg or two. These corporate f-cks are getting away with a lot more then some pimply kid downloading Star Wars 10. The worst plague P2P could bring upon the industry is they?ll probably stop making these 80 million-dollar atrocities. Sorry Mr. director, you?ll actually have to use a thing called a story line this time instead of copious amounts of Shitt from Skywalker ranch.
  • Reply 13 of 18
    asaphasaph Posts: 176member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Relic

    What?s with the bible thumping Mr. H...



    I don't remember a Bible reference anywhere in his post. Nice try though. Attack his ideas, not him. By the way, Mr. H is correct in his statements. This is not to say that the prices of some of these products are getting ridiculous, but if that's what they want to charge, there isn't a whole lot aside from boycotting the products that we can do about it. If a movie is not worth 25 bucks to you, don't buy it. That is not a justification for you to steal it.



    I'm a 22 year old college student on his way out of school (finally). I'm a part of the local network and I have downloaded a lot of movies and music. I would say that out of my 2600 songs, I own the CDs for probably 90% of them. I go out and buy the CDs after I listen to them (if I like them). If I don't like them, the mp3s go in the trash. Same with movies, I have a bit of a stockpile at the moment because of school, but they get watched every once in a while. I'm all about supporting artists and movie producers for products that I like. I have bought all of my software (with the exception of two 'upgrades' to programs I own), which I think is saying a lot from a college student. I have trouble buying food, but I find the time to work and save up for the stuff I use.



    The world does not exist for us to freeload off of it, if everyone had that attitude, society would suck. We've got it good, lets keep it that way. Be honest and pay for what you want to keep.



    -Asaph
  • Reply 14 of 18
    asaphasaph Posts: 176member
    [I suck at posting, deleted]
  • Reply 15 of 18
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,698member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Asaph

    I don't remember a Bible reference anywhere in his post. Nice try though. Attack his ideas, not him. By the way, Mr. H is correct in his statements.



    -Asaph




    Thank you, Asaph



    Quote:

    Originally posted by Relic

    What?s with the bible thumping Mr. H, or should I say captain morality?



    Not that it really matters in the context of this thread, but actually I'm an atheist.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by Relic

    Do you really think the Music/Movie industry is going after P2P users to help all those poor ?Credits people? collect their paychecks? Noooo, that?s what the teamsters are for, it?s to protect the margins of the executives and producers. The real victim is I, having to pay 20 ? 30 dollars for a DVD is excessive if not absurd to the point of laughter. I for one condone any behavior that promotes taking these pricks down a peg or two. These corporate f-cks are getting away with a lot more then some pimply kid downloading Star Wars 10. The worst plague P2P could bring upon the industry is they?ll probably stop making these 80 million-dollar atrocities. Sorry Mr. director, you?ll actually have to use a thing called a story line this time instead of copious amounts of Shitt from Skywalker ranch.



    What a fantastic load of rubbish. Movies are a luxury item and there can be no possible justification for stealing them. Like Asaph said, if you don't think a DVD is worth $30, then don't buy it.



    Of course movie executives are cheifly concerned about their profits (which aren't inherently evil, btw), but you cannot argue around the fact that if everybody pirated movies, there would be no money to pay all those people employed by the movie industry their wages.
  • Reply 16 of 18
    mattyjmattyj Posts: 898member
    Just damn well legalize downloading. Then whatever they download make them pay for it. So a DVD image would be £10. If they download a 700MB VCD with no DVD features, £8. I'd say even less, as BitTorrent would mean that no servers would be needed etc, just a few seeds, and no physical case would be necessary. This would mean distribution would cost them practically nothing. For that I'd say lower the price even more, thanks.



    This could be worked out quite well, I for one wouldn't mind such a system. Problem is the corporate idiots reckon that we can afford all these films at £15 a go, (why else is renting still so popular?) this is ridiculous. Especially since every DVD player scratches them to pieces (my Sony DVD Recorder does) with a few months.



    At least on computer I could have a relatively indestructible file that will last as long as I want it to.



    Here endeth the rant.



    P.S. Mr H you sound a bit like a Minister for Transport that doesn't drive a car...
  • Reply 17 of 18
    Laws like this represent the last ditch efforts of a moribund industry (content distribution) to try and halt progress. There will be easy ways for the dedicated content pirate to circumvent the law. Instead of keeping that pre-release copy of the Hulk 2 in a shared folder on a home machine, the Cali based pirate can just store it on a rented server in Russia or a Zombie box in des Moines. All this will do is encourage people to perfect these methods. I'm sure lots of happy hackers are currently hard at work on an annonymized version of BitTorrent. Tracking down and prosecuting people will waste $100s of our tax dollars for every $1 it saves a movie studio.
  • Reply 18 of 18
    Gon sums the problems with copyright well on the second page of the 'Absolution for a Pirate' thread.



    http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=52398
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