Macromedia Studio 8
okay, someone has to start the thread, so i'll be it.
first off, it's REALLY hard for me to not hate this update simply from the videos of posers and actors they have on the home page and the intro area. AND they want me to install a beta of flash player 8, which still even has issues on firefox for os x (which they proclaim on the entry page).
it's enough to almost make me not care "what's behind web page number 2."
i know we're still all waiting on what will happen with the adobe merger, but this studio update must have been in the works before the merger was planned, which means that it'll still carry over all of the macromedia-specific weirdness from the past since mx. (dreamweaver 4 is still my all time favorite, not for code, but for flat-out behaving itself and having an interface that didn't make me want to scream)
anyway, anyone else with comments who have braved going past the "secretary." ugh.
brief edit: apparently the "no" button will actually let you see some content, though they sure phrase it like flash 8 beta is required
first off, it's REALLY hard for me to not hate this update simply from the videos of posers and actors they have on the home page and the intro area. AND they want me to install a beta of flash player 8, which still even has issues on firefox for os x (which they proclaim on the entry page).
it's enough to almost make me not care "what's behind web page number 2."
i know we're still all waiting on what will happen with the adobe merger, but this studio update must have been in the works before the merger was planned, which means that it'll still carry over all of the macromedia-specific weirdness from the past since mx. (dreamweaver 4 is still my all time favorite, not for code, but for flat-out behaving itself and having an interface that didn't make me want to scream)
anyway, anyone else with comments who have braved going past the "secretary." ugh.
brief edit: apparently the "no" button will actually let you see some content, though they sure phrase it like flash 8 beta is required
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Also from Jimmy G: ?FreeHand continues to be an important and successful product for the company and we will continue to sell, support and maintain it as a standalone product.?
P.S.-If you install Flash Player 8, the secretary throws off her glasses, undoes her hair, and does a little striptease.
And where the phuq is FreeHand? Has it become the red-headed stepchild* of the Macromedia family?
* - No offense to any red-headed stepchildren who may be reading this.
Originally posted by KidRed
Nice to see Adobe hasn't pulled a M$ and killing the competition and making us all suffer with inferior GoLive.
Yet...
Originally posted by KidRed
...and making us all suffer with inferior GoLive.
depends on your perspective. the more research i have done into golive, the more i am convinced that it is geared towards designers, and dreamweaver (and flash) have gone the way of the developers. and it's damn difficult these days to find someone who is equal parts developer and designer, so neither is a great match. but golive isn't inferior (especially cs2), but it IS very different. and i truly believe that the eventual macrodobia beast will resemble the face of golive with the guts of flash and dreamweaver underneath.
I'm really looking forward to Flash 8 since the demo or two that I saw some time ago (believe they were on Moock.org). Performance seems to be on par with PCs which has been a huge pain in the ass during playback and the drag-and-drop raster effects are nice. Video integration looks better than before and it'll be nice to make interactive video a bigger part of the web. Experiments with it in Flash 5 /Quicktime till now have shown some shortcomings that make it practically unusable.
In terms of DW, all I'm looking for is more standards and accessibility integration. I use a mix of DW and Bbedit in my day to day dev life and the closer I can get to building XHTML/CSS pages with IE browser hacks built into the workflow, the better. M$ also has to do their part with IE7... though I'm not going to hold my breath.
Originally posted by troberts
Has anybody developed ASP.NET web sites using Dreamweaver on a Mac? If so, is the content previewable on the Mac, or does my Mac need a connection to a computer that has IIS and the .net framework on it?
you are going to have to be connected to a development server to see any kind of live preview regardless of what back-end you are developing for, be it asp.net, php, coldfusion, ect.
Originally posted by rok
depends on your perspective. the more research i have done into golive, the more i am convinced that it is geared towards designers, and dreamweaver (and flash) have gone the way of the developers. and it's damn difficult these days to find someone who is equal parts developer and designer, so neither is a great match. but golive isn't inferior (especially cs2), but it IS very different. and i truly believe that the eventual macrodobia beast will resemble the face of golive with the guts of flash and dreamweaver underneath.
That's funny because I am a designer that absolutely knows nothing about programming or developing. My sites are nearly 90% graphics and I let DW do what needs to be done. I used GoLive when DW was at 3 I think, but it just got too bloated. Then after the DW learning curve, I'll never go back. I tried GoLive 5 which was a sad joke.
Of course when i say inferior it's my own personal opinion, but honestly, I've never heard of someone claiming GoLive is the standard, and of my designer colleagues, they all use DW if they don't do it by hand.
DreamWeaver is better but dang, it sucks on the Mac when you have used it on a PC.
Originally posted by KidRed
That's funny because I am a designer that absolutely knows nothing about programming or developing. My sites are nearly 90% graphics and I let DW do what needs to be done. I used GoLive when DW was at 3 I think, but it just got too bloated. Then after the DW learning curve, I'll never go back. I tried GoLive 5 which was a sad joke.
Of course when i say inferior it's my own personal opinion, but honestly, I've never heard of someone claiming GoLive is the standard, and of my designer colleagues, they all use DW if they don't do it by hand.
(When using MovieClipLoader and an onLoadProgress listener)
Originally posted by troberts
Has anybody developed ASP.NET web sites using Dreamweaver on a Mac? If so, is the content previewable on the Mac, or does my Mac need a connection to a computer that has IIS and the .net framework on it?
You can use Mono to host ASP.net sites on the mac, but it doesnt really support VB, gotta stick with C#.
You can also host coldfusion, php and asp on OS X.
The biggest problem with any Mac based development is that windows based deployments typically use SQL server for the database, so you need to use that in dev. Which means having a windows box, so you may as well host your web server on that box as well.
I personally hate developing with DW, funny to hear people complaining that it is too developery, I would say just the opposite. Ever since they rolled Coldfusion Studio in DW it has just been a mess.
I use TextMate for Coldfusion and Asp, NetBeans for Java and Visual Studio for .net. Oh, I have a Mac and a PC on my desk.
let's just say i have flash8pro on my winxp64 pc now.
the two real interesting key areas are the built-in 'effects' engine, plus 'bitmap caching'... interesting stuff
video encoding is supposed to have some improvements as well. and they've definitely cleaned up text antialiasing quite well.
i would say a significant upgrade if you are running a studio or r&d type thing or have clients you can encourage to be cutting edge, get a jumpstart on the competition. particularly with the adobe merger, and most recent stats, flash is very much alive and kicking on the web. particularly a lot of sites using flash video for mini-trailers and stuff, skipping all the quicktime/real/wmv headaches.
however my actionscript is rusty as the titanic. i need to bring myself up to speed with flashmx2004, actionscript 2.0, and do some of that middleware XML- UI-components interaction stuff. bah. all that time wasted trying to be a "cool designer" when i could be coding in Flash
nah, it's all cool... just returning to my geek roots after burning out of the whole design/ ad/ creative/ marketing scene
PM me if there is something specific in flash8pro (i only have the PC version) you'd want me to investigate and i'll see if i have the time inbetween bittorrent downloads and playing games and reading appleinsider and tuaw \
hey are any of y'all certified in flashmx2004[developer]? have you found this official certification a worthwhile endeavour??
Originally posted by micahgartman
Looked pretty lame to me. Just some quasi-testimonial crap that didn't really tell me anything of interest...
And where the phuq is FreeHand? Has it become the red-headed stepchild* of the Macromedia family?
* - No offense to any red-headed stepchildren who may be reading this.
Jim Guerard (one of the execs at macromedia) said that Freehand will still be available as standalone, not in studio8
Freehand is quite vital to a lot of people so i reckon it's got a few years in it.
Not sure about golive, it is possible adobe will do a final release and then kill it in about a year, focusing on dreamweaver. just a guess...