great but a few disappointments
I was really hoping the media mac mini and new shuffle rumours were true....however I think another press conference will follow in february....they still have the old g4 powerbooks at the store and when the new mac pro books begin shipping they will have to revamp that line up..
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Originally posted by mercury7
I was really hoping the media mac mini and new shuffle rumours were true....however I think another press conference will follow in february....they still have the old g4 powerbooks at the store and when the new mac pro books begin shipping they will have to revamp that line up..
Sadly the MacBook Pro replaces the PowerBook. The PowerBook is dead. I'm sure they will continue to sell the PowerBooks until faster core-duo processors find their way into a 17-inch MacBook Pro model. Now I say sadly because many features were dropped. Firewire 800. Internal Modem. S-Video. Even the DVD drive has dropped from 8x to 4x. While it's true the MacBook Pro is significantly better in many respects I don't think it deserves the PRO in its name. It seems better suited as an all new midrange laptop line to me.
It seems better suited as an all new midrange laptop line to me.
LOL. Are you done hitting that crack.
FW800 is dead...you just don't realize it yet. I expect to see eSATA take over.
Modem, Svideo? These are Pro features?
No man Expresscard, Dual Core, Blue Tooth 2.0 are juicky features. You're too busy worrying about legacy stuff that doesn't matter for the future.
overall it was a nice switch to intel but I have to agree that this would have been better suited as a ibook replacement....I think apple felt pressured because the powerbook had fallen so far behind.
I have to say that I am now happy I got my 17" in november,
one reason is that I would not have been allowed to take the new one to work because of the camera....all cameras are prohibited where I work.
I wish I could explain to steve that the camera issue is real for future releases.
Originally posted by mercury7
I was really hoping the media mac mini and new shuffle rumours were true....however I think another press conference will follow in february....they still have the old g4 powerbooks at the store and when the new mac pro books begin shipping they will have to revamp that line up..
Oh you want disappointment? How about buying an imac G5 on Jan. 1, only to watch Steve kick and spit on it 9 days later. Well, I guess I could always box it up, pay the restocking fee and swap it for an Intel model ... assuming the Intel boxes arrive in the next five days.
Originally posted by 1984
Even the DVD drive has dropped from 8x to 4x.
Single layer, too. The PowerBooks had dual-layer burners.
Originally posted by blackbird_1.0
Single layer, too. The PowerBooks had dual-layer burners.
No DL support is there. I just reviewed the Apple Web pdf and it's there just not marketed heavily.
overall it was a nice switch to intel but I have to agree that this would have been better suited as a ibook replacement....I think apple felt pressured because the powerbook had fallen so far behind
FW800 is dead. Sure it nice to have but so what? eSATA is going to be ubiquitious in a year. If you think these specs are suited for an ibook replacement then you haven't looked much at laptops of any kind.
Expresscard is 250MBps throughput bi-directional 4x that of PCMCIA.
128/256MB dedicated of ATI x1600 graphics (which handles h.264 accelertion)
Built in iSight, IR port
Dual Link DVI outputs
Improved Display
yet you're lamenting FW800 and Svideo outputs. That's not just daft that's downright dumb.
Hell let's compare the relatively new Vaio BX540
VAIO BX540 PM 2.26GHZ 1GB/100GB DVDRW 14.1 XPP
Mfr Part# VGNBX540B09
Price $2609.98
Slower proc
Smaller screen
No Dual Link DVI
Cardbus (4x slower)
4pin Firewire
Shared graphics memory
Biometric finger reader (Dammit Apple where's ours?) :P
Modem- Got me there
Card Reader- Got me there
No contest man. If you think the Macbook Pro is substandard you got your wires crossed.
Originally posted by blackbird_1.0
Single layer, too. The PowerBooks had dual-layer burners.
yeh i dont get that.
am i missing somethin?
These new MacBook Pros will do well in a few months when the 'Pro' software is updated, and no doubt they will do well running Apple's other software. But it's clear that this is only the beginning. Apple needed to get moving with Intel Macs today and they needed to launch both a Desktop and a Laptop. It appears that they had little trouble with the iMac as both have the same boards but different screen sizes. So one motherboard needed to be designed for the new iMacs. The PowerBooks are a different story, there were 3 different motherboards for them.
At some point, Apple will release laptops to occupy the same space as the 17" PowerBooks and the 12" PowerBooks. They know, however, that they need to keep the current PowerBook line until their own apps are all Univeral (and maybe even until some other key applications are Universal). After all, it's bad press for Photoshop to run slower on an older, PPC based PowerBook that you know longer sell than exclusively selling brand new Intel based MacBook Pro that can be outclassed by their predecessors.
We also have to wonder if there will be any future iBooks, or if they will just be MacBooks. Jobs said that he wanted "Mac" to be in the name of their machines, it makes sense that the iBook will be the MacBook while the PowerBook will be the MacBook Pro.
It seems to me that the Mac Mini and the iBook are next for the Intel chips, followed by the Power Macs at a later date. I think there's an entrely different beast of processor in store for the next Power Macs, plus, updating the Power Macs last gives developers the time they need to make their Apps Universal.
Originally posted by Fran441
Apple will continue to sell the 'Pro' Products with G4s/G5s until the 'Pro' Software is Universal. It was obvious that Photoshop was not up to par during the keynote.
That was the weirdest thing about the keynote to me. Here is our new machine, it kick the crap out of the G5, except of course we don't have it in our pro-machines--and Photoshop, probably the most important App on the Mac platform, runs like crap and has no announced date for upgrade.
I hope they sell a lot of notebooks, 'cause I can't see them selling jack on the pro front until mid-year at best. I know my department won't pony up any money till then.
I'm not buying Jobs' hyberbole here.
Originally posted by hmurchison
That's RDF talking. Wait until the benchmarks hit. You'll see that the Yonah stuff does well on Integer but gets beaten by the G5 in FPU.
I'm not buying Jobs' hyberbole here.
I agree, those stats were crap ... if the Sam Palmisano was on stage, Steve would have found a way to claim that the IBM chip was three times as fast.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Wait until the benchmarks hit. You'll see that the Yonah stuff does well on Integer but gets beaten by the G5 in FPU.
I'm not buying Jobs' hyberbole here.
Apple says a 2.0 GHz Core Duo has 2.1x the SPEC FP rate of a 2.1 GHz 970. That means a Core Duo should tie a 970MP on FP.