Be descriptive with the title of new threads. Do not start a thread with an ambiguous title like "Guess what..." and then use the text portion of the post to explain. Give your post a headline. This courtesy is especially appreciated in the more highly trafficked forums. Furthermore, threads with no original content will not be allowed. Do not post a link or quote an article while contributing little to nothing of your own.
Everyone: the article he's linking to isn't worth reading. Some guy who admits he hasn't even tried iTunes, an iPod, or iTMS is ranting about how the DRM 'locks you in' to Apple systems, and how that's evil... then gets shredded in the comments by many many well-informed and articulate people who show how that's simply not true.
Everyone: the article he's linking to isn't worth reading. Some guy who admits he hasn't even tried iTunes, an iPod, or iTMS is ranting about how the DRM 'locks you in' to Apple systems, and how that's evil... then gets shredded in the comments by many many well-informed and articulate people who show how that's simply not true.
*sniff sniff* I smell Troll.
No, what he says makes sense.
Can I play an iTunes song on another MP3 player? No. Can I take a music file in a DRM format other than Apple's and play it on an iPod? No.
How long before the RIAA forces Apple to close that "loophole" with the next update of iTunes?
wow, nice attempted deflection. but you got corrected. just like i corrected the nimrods at the cbc for saying the same thing (that the iTMS locks you into the iPod). just like the junkslut who's suing apple over making him buy an ipod because he bought tracks from the iTMS. i'll laugh my ass off if the judge finds apple guilty and awards him a spindle of blank cd's as a result.
it's not a loophole. it's part of the agreement between apple and the labels. always has been.
wow, nice attempted deflection. but you got corrected. just like i corrected the nimrods at the cbc for saying the same thing (that the iTMS locks you into the iPod). just like the junkslut who's suing apple over making him buy an ipod because he bought tracks from the iTMS. i'll laugh my ass off if the judge finds apple guilty and awards him a spindle of blank cd's as a result.
it's not a loophole. it's part of the agreement between apple and the labels. always has been.
Summary Judgement Hearing.
Apple Lawyer:
"You honor here is a perfect example of why this case should be dismissed.
Coldplay A Rush of Blood to the Head = $9.99 itms
Amazon buy new $10.96
Amazon Samsung cdr 52x with jewel case $0.45
iTunes with ability to rip and burn in .mp3= free
So, itms $9.99 + cdr $0.45 + iTunes (free) =$10.44
The locked in argument is full of holes. There are ways to get your songs un-DRMed and onto other mp3 players if you so choose. There are ways for songs with other DRMs to be (eventually) imported into iTunes and transferred to an iPod.
What Apple offers is a complete top to bottom solution that doesn't require multiple other steps. What the trolls are whining about is that they have an extra step or so to go through because they (or their parents) were too cheap to buy an iPod. Sometimes the truth hurts.
wow, nice attempted deflection. but you got corrected. just like i corrected the nimrods at the cbc for saying the same thing (that the iTMS locks you into the iPod). just like the junkslut who's suing apple over making him buy an ipod because he bought tracks from the iTMS. i'll laugh my ass off if the judge finds apple guilty and awards him a spindle of blank cd's as a result.
it's not a loophole. it's part of the agreement between apple and the labels. always has been.
Wow! Nice attempted troll there, buddy! Comparing my carefully considering arguments with a fsck'ing ambulance chaser isn't specious, it outright fallacious and just plain false, not to mention, short-sighted and stupid.
Unfortunately, there are things known as "facts" that you haven't considered, with regard to burning and ripping CD to circumvent the lock-in:
Burning a CD from iTunes and then ripping it back to MP3 is trivial.
(A) It's not trivial compared to dealing with music files. Let's see you do this with 100s of songs and see how long it takes.
(B) It sucks. Have you tried it? The quality is horrible. RIAA/DRM tracks (iTMS) are intentionally low enough bit rate to make this an unattractive option.
Wow! Nice attempted troll there, buddy! Comparing my carefully considering arguments with a fsck'ing ambulance chaser isn't specious, it outright fallacious and just plain false, not to mention, short-sighted and stupid.
Wow! Nice attempted troll there, buddy! Comparing my carefully considering arguments with a fsck'ing ambulance chaser isn't specious, it outright fallacious and just plain false, not to mention, short-sighted and stupid.
Unfortunately, there are things known as "facts" that you haven't considered, with regard to burning and ripping CD to circumvent the lock-in:
Burning a CD from iTunes and then ripping it back to MP3 is trivial.
(A) It's not trivial compared to dealing with music files. Let's see you do this with 100s of songs and see how long it takes.
(B) It sucks. Have you tried it? The quality is horrible. RIAA/DRM tracks (iTMS) are intentionally low enough bit rate to make this an unattractive option.
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please note i never even brought up the returning it to mp3... the question is: can tracks purchased from the iTMS be played on players other than the ipod. yes, they can. burn them to cd and play them in a cd player. period. you said it was a "loophole." loophole assumes you're using some sort of rule out of context to circumvent said rule without actually breaking it. it's not a loophole. you've been able to burn the tracks to cd from the beginning. heck, it was part of apple's itunes/ipod campaign in the beginning -- remember "rip. mix. burn"? the motto eisner brought up in court to cast aspersions on apple for encouraging stealing?
i mean, i'm sorry, but you're inventing an injustice that does not exist in order to rail against it, and adding steps in order to bring the argument back around to "javacowboy = right", even though that wasn't the original point of the thread.
edit: by the way, i did notice that you said they can't be played on other mp3 players. you are right in that. how that relates to 1 billion people being, as you put it so eloquently, "SUCKAAAAAAAAAS," i'm not really sure, though.
JC: regardless of whether or not you think the original article you posted to has a point (which it really doesn't, it's poorly researched - as in not at all - and poorly written, poorly thought out, and just plain poor), the posting guidelines are clear, and you violated them. I left the thread open to see if it would go somewhere interesting, but it hasn't.
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(ditto to the blog author, if you're not him)
Be descriptive with the title of new threads. Do not start a thread with an ambiguous title like "Guess what..." and then use the text portion of the post to explain. Give your post a headline. This courtesy is especially appreciated in the more highly trafficked forums. Furthermore, threads with no original content will not be allowed. Do not post a link or quote an article while contributing little to nothing of your own.
Everyone: the article he's linking to isn't worth reading. Some guy who admits he hasn't even tried iTunes, an iPod, or iTMS is ranting about how the DRM 'locks you in' to Apple systems, and how that's evil... then gets shredded in the comments by many many well-informed and articulate people who show how that's simply not true.
*sniff sniff* I smell Troll.
Originally posted by Kickaha
JavaCowboy: From the Posting Guidelines...
Everyone: the article he's linking to isn't worth reading. Some guy who admits he hasn't even tried iTunes, an iPod, or iTMS is ranting about how the DRM 'locks you in' to Apple systems, and how that's evil... then gets shredded in the comments by many many well-informed and articulate people who show how that's simply not true.
*sniff sniff* I smell Troll.
No, what he says makes sense.
Can I play an iTunes song on another MP3 player? No. Can I take a music file in a DRM format other than Apple's and play it on an iPod? No.
Sounds like lock-in to me.
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
No, what he says makes sense.
Can I play an iTunes song on another MP3 player? No. Can I take a music file in a DRM format other than Apple's and play it on an iPod? No.
Sounds like lock-in to me.
You can burn your songs to a normal CDR, then rip it in whatever format you want, like a normal CD you bought from the store.
Originally posted by New
You can burn your songs to a normal CDR, then rip it in whatever format you want, like a normal CD you bought from the store.
How long before the RIAA forces Apple to close that "loophole" with the next update of iTunes?
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
How long before the RIAA forces Apple to close that "loophole" with the next update of iTunes?
It's not a loophole as I see it. It makes shopping in iTunes the same as shopping in a real store.
But you're probably right. The gready bastards in the record industry probably don't want it to work this way.
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
How long before the RIAA forces Apple to close that "loophole" with the next update of iTunes?
wow, nice attempted deflection. but you got corrected. just like i corrected the nimrods at the cbc for saying the same thing (that the iTMS locks you into the iPod). just like the junkslut who's suing apple over making him buy an ipod because he bought tracks from the iTMS. i'll laugh my ass off if the judge finds apple guilty and awards him a spindle of blank cd's as a result.
it's not a loophole. it's part of the agreement between apple and the labels. always has been.
Originally posted by rok
wow, nice attempted deflection. but you got corrected. just like i corrected the nimrods at the cbc for saying the same thing (that the iTMS locks you into the iPod). just like the junkslut who's suing apple over making him buy an ipod because he bought tracks from the iTMS. i'll laugh my ass off if the judge finds apple guilty and awards him a spindle of blank cd's as a result.
it's not a loophole. it's part of the agreement between apple and the labels. always has been.
Summary Judgement Hearing.
Apple Lawyer:
"You honor here is a perfect example of why this case should be dismissed.
Coldplay A Rush of Blood to the Head = $9.99 itms
Amazon buy new $10.96
Amazon Samsung cdr 52x with jewel case $0.45
iTunes with ability to rip and burn in .mp3= free
So, itms $9.99 + cdr $0.45 + iTunes (free) =$10.44
I rest my case.
Who wants lunch?"
What Apple offers is a complete top to bottom solution that doesn't require multiple other steps. What the trolls are whining about is that they have an extra step or so to go through because they (or their parents) were too cheap to buy an iPod. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Originally posted by rok
wow, nice attempted deflection. but you got corrected. just like i corrected the nimrods at the cbc for saying the same thing (that the iTMS locks you into the iPod). just like the junkslut who's suing apple over making him buy an ipod because he bought tracks from the iTMS. i'll laugh my ass off if the judge finds apple guilty and awards him a spindle of blank cd's as a result.
it's not a loophole. it's part of the agreement between apple and the labels. always has been.
Wow! Nice attempted troll there, buddy! Comparing my carefully considering arguments with a fsck'ing ambulance chaser isn't specious, it outright fallacious and just plain false, not to mention, short-sighted and stupid.
Unfortunately, there are things known as "facts" that you haven't considered, with regard to burning and ripping CD to circumvent the lock-in:
http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.p...3&cid=14798661
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Burning a CD from iTunes and then ripping it back to MP3 is trivial.
(A) It's not trivial compared to dealing with music files. Let's see you do this with 100s of songs and see how long it takes.
(B) It sucks. Have you tried it? The quality is horrible. RIAA/DRM tracks (iTMS) are intentionally low enough bit rate to make this an unattractive option.
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Originally posted by JavaCowboy
Wow! Nice attempted troll there, buddy! Comparing my carefully considering arguments with a fsck'ing ambulance chaser isn't specious, it outright fallacious and just plain false, not to mention, short-sighted and stupid.
easy there cowboy
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
Wow! Nice attempted troll there, buddy! Comparing my carefully considering arguments with a fsck'ing ambulance chaser isn't specious, it outright fallacious and just plain false, not to mention, short-sighted and stupid.
Unfortunately, there are things known as "facts" that you haven't considered, with regard to burning and ripping CD to circumvent the lock-in:
http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.p...3&cid=14798661
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Burning a CD from iTunes and then ripping it back to MP3 is trivial.
(A) It's not trivial compared to dealing with music files. Let's see you do this with 100s of songs and see how long it takes.
(B) It sucks. Have you tried it? The quality is horrible. RIAA/DRM tracks (iTMS) are intentionally low enough bit rate to make this an unattractive option.
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please note i never even brought up the returning it to mp3... the question is: can tracks purchased from the iTMS be played on players other than the ipod. yes, they can. burn them to cd and play them in a cd player. period. you said it was a "loophole." loophole assumes you're using some sort of rule out of context to circumvent said rule without actually breaking it. it's not a loophole. you've been able to burn the tracks to cd from the beginning. heck, it was part of apple's itunes/ipod campaign in the beginning -- remember "rip. mix. burn"? the motto eisner brought up in court to cast aspersions on apple for encouraging stealing?
i mean, i'm sorry, but you're inventing an injustice that does not exist in order to rail against it, and adding steps in order to bring the argument back around to "javacowboy = right", even though that wasn't the original point of the thread.
edit: by the way, i did notice that you said they can't be played on other mp3 players. you are right in that. how that relates to 1 billion people being, as you put it so eloquently, "SUCKAAAAAAAAAS," i'm not really sure, though.
Locked.