Raise your hand if you think that there is a strong probability that Apple will offer a second tier XServe with these Quad-core chips coming in November?
Because whilst the Woodcrest Xeon's micro-architecture is Core 2, Intel do not use that term in conjunction with marketing the chip. So when Otellini says they've shipped 5 million Core 2 processors, it is unclear as to whether the Woodcrest shipments are included in that.
Raise your hand if you think that there is a strong probability that Apple will offer a second tier XServe with these Quad-core chips coming in November?
Because whilst the Woodcrest Xeon's micro-architecture is Core 2, Intel do not use that term in conjunction with marketing the chip. So when Otellini says they've shipped 5 million Core 2 processors, it is unclear as to whether the Woodcrest shipments are included in that.
Quick correction, The architecture is called 'Core', not 'Core 2'.
I'm pretty sure he did mean the Woodcrest too otherwise he'd not have said 'servers'. Xeon is in a strange phase because they still ship the old non-Core architecture Xeons such as the low power Sossaman and IIRC they've still a Netburst chip in there as if you don't care about power consumption, Netburst is still faster despite the hype.
Quick correction, The architecture is called 'Core', not 'Core 2'.
No, it is "Core 2". Yonah is "Core", "Core" is a minor evolution of the Pentium-M and its micro-architecture is substantially different from "Core 2". Merom (Core 2) is 20% faster at the same clock speed, and is 64 bit not 32 bit.
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I'm pretty sure he did mean the Woodcrest too otherwise he'd not have said 'servers'.
Good point
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Xeon is in a strange phase because they still ship the old non-Core architecture Xeons such as the low power Sossaman and IIRC they've still a Netburst chip in there
If it's not Core 2 it must be Netburst, unless they've still got PIII-based Xeons.
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Netburst is still faster despite the hype.
I haven't seen any evidence of this (I've seen plenty to the contrary). Would you care to provide some?
No, it is "Core 2". Yonah is "Core", "Core" is a minor evolution of the Pentium-M and its micro-architecture is substantially different from "Core 2". Merom (Core 2) is 20% faster at the same clock speed, and is 64 bit not 32 bit.
Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest are the first processors in the Intel Core microarchitecture. There is no "Intel Core 2 microarchitecture". Merom and Conroe are branded as Core 2, but that's unrelated to the underpinnings. Yonah was branded as Core, but is really more of a last-generation rebranded Pentium M.
Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest are the first processors in the Intel Core microarchitecture.
Huh, you're right. Sorry aegis. Wouldn't it be nice if the marketing people and the technical people could talk to each other more often so crap like that doesn't happen?
Yonah was marketed as "Core" but actually doesn't have a micro-architecture called "Core"? Nice one, Intel
If it's not Core 2 it must be Netburst, unless they've still got PIII-based Xeons.
No. They've got three different architectures. The Xeon LV is based on Yonah.
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I haven't seen any evidence of this (I've seen plenty to the contrary). Would you care to provide some?
It depends on what you're running. There are specific applications of the older Netburst chips where they beat the newer chips. Then again, Opteron beats them both generally there. It's more about throughput than raw integer and fp performance. Remember, these are for servers not playing Doom.
Huh, you're right. Sorry aegis. Wouldn't it be nice if the marketing people and the technical people could talk to each other more often so crap like that doesn't happen?
Yonah was marketed as "Core" but actually doesn't have a micro-architecture called "Core"? Nice one, Intel
Yep. Bizarre isn't it. But lots of suckers bought Core chips thinking they were something other than a warmed over Pentium M.
Yep. Bizarre isn't it. But lots of suckers bought Core chips thinking they were something other than a warmed over Pentium M.
Well, I knew that Yonah was a warmed-over Pentium-M, I just thought, given its name, that "Warmed-over Pentium-M" was called "Core" and that the good stuff was called "Core 2".
Marketing-wise, that's correct, but architecture-name-wise, it isn't.
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How is that "at a stretch" at all?
Because whilst the Woodcrest Xeon's micro-architecture is Core 2, Intel do not use that term in conjunction with marketing the chip. So when Otellini says they've shipped 5 million Core 2 processors, it is unclear as to whether the Woodcrest shipments are included in that.
Raise your hand if you think that there is a strong probability that Apple will offer a second tier XServe with these Quad-core chips coming in November?
/Raises hand
Because whilst the Woodcrest Xeon's micro-architecture is Core 2, Intel do not use that term in conjunction with marketing the chip. So when Otellini says they've shipped 5 million Core 2 processors, it is unclear as to whether the Woodcrest shipments are included in that.
Quick correction, The architecture is called 'Core', not 'Core 2'.
I'm pretty sure he did mean the Woodcrest too otherwise he'd not have said 'servers'. Xeon is in a strange phase because they still ship the old non-Core architecture Xeons such as the low power Sossaman and IIRC they've still a Netburst chip in there as if you don't care about power consumption, Netburst is still faster despite the hype.
Quick correction, The architecture is called 'Core', not 'Core 2'.
No, it is "Core 2". Yonah is "Core", "Core" is a minor evolution of the Pentium-M and its micro-architecture is substantially different from "Core 2". Merom (Core 2) is 20% faster at the same clock speed, and is 64 bit not 32 bit.
I'm pretty sure he did mean the Woodcrest too otherwise he'd not have said 'servers'.
Good point
Xeon is in a strange phase because they still ship the old non-Core architecture Xeons such as the low power Sossaman and IIRC they've still a Netburst chip in there
If it's not Core 2 it must be Netburst, unless they've still got PIII-based Xeons.
Netburst is still faster despite the hype.
I haven't seen any evidence of this (I've seen plenty to the contrary). Would you care to provide some?
No, it is "Core 2". Yonah is "Core", "Core" is a minor evolution of the Pentium-M and its micro-architecture is substantially different from "Core 2". Merom (Core 2) is 20% faster at the same clock speed, and is 64 bit not 32 bit.
Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest are the first processors in the Intel Core microarchitecture. There is no "Intel Core 2 microarchitecture". Merom and Conroe are branded as Core 2, but that's unrelated to the underpinnings. Yonah was branded as Core, but is really more of a last-generation rebranded Pentium M.
Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest are the first processors in the Intel Core microarchitecture.
Huh, you're right. Sorry aegis. Wouldn't it be nice if the marketing people and the technical people could talk to each other more often so crap like that doesn't happen?
Yonah was marketed as "Core" but actually doesn't have a micro-architecture called "Core"? Nice one, Intel
If it's not Core 2 it must be Netburst, unless they've still got PIII-based Xeons.
No. They've got three different architectures. The Xeon LV is based on Yonah.
I haven't seen any evidence of this (I've seen plenty to the contrary). Would you care to provide some?
It depends on what you're running. There are specific applications of the older Netburst chips where they beat the newer chips. Then again, Opteron beats them both generally there. It's more about throughput than raw integer and fp performance. Remember, these are for servers not playing Doom.
Huh, you're right. Sorry aegis. Wouldn't it be nice if the marketing people and the technical people could talk to each other more often so crap like that doesn't happen?
Yonah was marketed as "Core" but actually doesn't have a micro-architecture called "Core"? Nice one, Intel
Yep. Bizarre isn't it. But lots of suckers bought Core chips thinking they were something other than a warmed over Pentium M.
Yep. Bizarre isn't it. But lots of suckers bought Core chips thinking they were something other than a warmed over Pentium M.
Well, I knew that Yonah was a warmed-over Pentium-M, I just thought, given its name, that "Warmed-over Pentium-M" was called "Core" and that the good stuff was called "Core 2".
Marketing-wise, that's correct, but architecture-name-wise, it isn't.