On November 22, Microsoft is offering downloads of HD and regular Movies and TV shows. The Price for a tv show will be appoximately $2.50. Will Microsoft have a chance against Apple and its new Movie and TV download service?
1. You'll be able to RENT movies, not just purchase them.
2. If you're short on space, you can delete tv shows and re-download them later.
3. You can get stuff in High Definition.
4. Your xBox 360 is already connected to your HDTV.
This is perhaps the smartest thing Microsoft has ever done, or the only smart thing they've ever done; either way, Apple should be asking themselves how they're going to convince people to pony up $300 for an iTV to stream their standard definition content to their HDTVs. That $300 would be better spent on an xBox 360 that can do that and a whole lot more.
Hopefully I can download to rent in the morning, go to work, watch movie when I get home. Then delete movie to get next movie. It will be like netflix.
1. You'll be able to RENT movies, not just purchase them.
2. If you're short on space, you can delete tv shows and re-download them later.
3. You can get stuff in High Definition.
4. Your xBox 360 is already connected to your HDTV.
This is perhaps the smartest thing Microsoft has ever done, or the only smart thing they've ever done; either way, Apple should be asking themselves how they're going to convince people to pony up $300 for an iTV to stream their standard definition content to their HDTVs. That $300 would be better spent on an xBox 360 that can do that and a whole lot more.
Thanks for clarifying. For films, I think renting makes more sense anyhow. I don't want to pay $15 to own a less-than-DVD quality version of a film that sits on my computer and has none of the extras you'd get from a DVD.
From the screenshots of the dashboard running, it shows that for a basic tv show it is 350 microsoft points for HD, and 250 points for regular tv quality. It cost $20 for 1600 microsoft points...so you can figure out the math...
From the screenshots of the dashboard running, it shows that for a basic tv show it is 350 microsoft points for HD, and 250 points for regular tv quality. It cost $20 for 1600 microsoft points...so you can figure out the math...
240 points for sd tv. ( that equals $3, each point is worth 1.25 cents )
however supposedly that isn't the final price and is just a placeholder. ( I think they just realized how outraged the people were at the price and are changing it )
I think it would be great if they let us transfer it to our pc. ( download on 360, then transfer to PC or PMP)
1. You'll be able to RENT movies, not just purchase them.
2. If you're short on space, you can delete tv shows and re-download them later.
3. You can get stuff in High Definition.
4. Your xBox 360 is already connected to your HDTV.
This is perhaps the smartest thing Microsoft has ever done, or the only smart thing they've ever done; either way, Apple should be asking themselves how they're going to convince people to pony up $300 for an iTV to stream their standard definition content to their HDTVs. That $300 would be better spent on an xBox 360 that can do that and a whole lot more.
You really seem to have a thing with HDTV don't you? Half the world does not have an HDTV and I really don't think everyone is going to go out and buy one just because of the xBox 360. Given the fact that a decent one is priced well over 600-700 dollars, I doubt most people will buy one just for the xBox especially if most buyers will be teenagers to young adults. In five to six years when prices come down sure but then something even better than HD video will be out.
I can honestly sit here as an apple fanatic and stockholder and say that although I am impressed with what happle has been able to do so far with TV/movie downloads the microsoft service seems to suit my needs more. Here's why:
1) Already connected to the TV. I won't have to buy an iTV.
2) 720p HD content.... not just DVD quality. I wouldnt pay the price apple is charging for a movie download even if it was DVD quality, I want HD... there's no reason not to.
3) I would rather rent than own movies. I am a netflix subcriber right now and I love it. Microsoft could make a killing if they offered some type of monthly service that allowed X amount of movies to be viewed each day. As is, ~$5 to rent an HD movie vs. ~$10 to own a less-than-dvd-quality movie is a no brainer.
To elaborate-- Xboxen are far less distributed, or even on the radar of most buyers. iTunes, though has some major mind share, and usage. iTV stands a much greater chance of adoption, just by those who would be able to use it.
People often mistake their own in-group as representative of the rest of the world. Game console owners are a relatively small group. They're even less representative because such a major part of them is composed of kids/teens. While iPod has many teen users, it didn't start out with that population. It was actually an adult phenomenon tat spread to teens. Much wider interest and distribution.
iTV won't sell like iPod, but it will sell more than Xbox.
To elaborate-- Xboxen are far less distributed, or even on the radar of most buyers. iTunes, though has some major mind share, and usage. iTV stands a much greater chance of adoption, just by those who would be able to use it.
People often mistake their own in-group as representative of the rest of the world. Game console owners are a relatively small group. They're even less representative because such a major part of them is composed of kids/teens. While iPod has many teen users, it didn't start out with that population. It was actually an adult phenomenon tat spread to teens. Much wider interest and distribution.
iTV won't sell like iPod, but it will sell more than Xbox.
but if consumers considered the features??
I am not sure but isn't the speculated price for the iTV $300?
and a 360 is $400. but also includes a dvd player and plays video games too.
So lets compare
iTV:
Stream video, music, pictures ( possibly movies.... ) also allows you to hook up pmp/mp3 player.
assuming it has an hdd ( not sure?? ) it could also store some tv shows and movies/ maybe dvr?
360:
stream video, music, pictures, buy tv shows, rent movies, plays dvds, hook up pmp/mp3 player, plays video games, online voice chat w/ video. and has an hdd so you can take it with you and not have to carry around a pc/mac to stream.
most consumers would probably spend the extra $100 if they knew the 360 had the same features and more.
then again, apple has proven that simplicity is best and if they offer an easier to use system of purchasing and streaming content ( as well as possibly a dvr ) then they will win hands down.
Just to verify my previous statement of 50 million ipods sold. I was wrong, it's 70 million.
From MacDailynews:
"Apple has sold nearly 70 million iPods since introducing them in 2001 and the devices command about 75 percent of the global MP3 player market," AFP reports.
Just to verify my previous statement of 50 million ipods sold. I was wrong, it's 70 million.
From MacDailynews:
"Apple has sold nearly 70 million iPods since introducing them in 2001 and the devices command about 75 percent of the global MP3 player market," AFP reports.
Hmmm these comparisons are all wrong, they just look at features and superiority over actual numbers and if people would actually buy it just because it has a little more features.
The Xbox 360, hands down has more features. However, it's basically just another Media Center Extender jammed into an Xbox. Take into account the simple matter that not many people will buy a 360 just because it has extra features JUST BECAUSE THE iTV is coming out. If people want those extra features, they may proudly do so by walking into a Best Buy and buying their very own Xbox 360. But they will not look at the iTV, say "That's kind of cool, but I think the Xbox 360 has more features so I'll just go buy that instead" They could've done that already, meaning the iTV gives one little incentive to buy a 360, just for more features. If someones going to buy a 360, it will more likely be to play the games on the platform then to "Show Up" the iTV with extra features.
Secondly, the Xbox 360 media center extender only works with PCs with Media Center installed, that would be my PC, but GASP!! I wouldn't be able to play much media since the majority of my content on my PC is from iTunes itself. Many will face this same problem, at least with Music. Not to mention the install base for Media Center itself is fairly low on XP computers, but it's standard in Vista.
So viable alternatives to the iTV: Playstation 3, TiVo, Nintendo Wii, Xbox 360 or other Media Center Extender
All of those are viable, but none of them do what the iTV does, it streams content, more specifically content from a Mac or a PC, to a TV. More importantly, it's designed to stream content that you bought in iTunes, though not limited to just that. You can use any of the above as alternatives, but none of them do what the iTV is designed to do, play iTunes content, not to mention it's base will likely be made up of people with iPods and who buy Video in iTunes.
-Sebastian
Drowning in Windows Misery Ultimate Edition -_-
yeah you got a point there, I forgot the iTunes factor. I get the majority of my media content from iTunes, so I would have to use iTV to stream them.
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1. You'll be able to RENT movies, not just purchase them.
2. If you're short on space, you can delete tv shows and re-download them later.
3. You can get stuff in High Definition.
4. Your xBox 360 is already connected to your HDTV.
This is perhaps the smartest thing Microsoft has ever done, or the only smart thing they've ever done; either way, Apple should be asking themselves how they're going to convince people to pony up $300 for an iTV to stream their standard definition content to their HDTVs. That $300 would be better spent on an xBox 360 that can do that and a whole lot more.
Hopefully I can download to rent in the morning, go to work, watch movie when I get home. Then delete movie to get next movie. It will be like netflix.
Yes, and here's why.
1. You'll be able to RENT movies, not just purchase them.
2. If you're short on space, you can delete tv shows and re-download them later.
3. You can get stuff in High Definition.
4. Your xBox 360 is already connected to your HDTV.
This is perhaps the smartest thing Microsoft has ever done, or the only smart thing they've ever done; either way, Apple should be asking themselves how they're going to convince people to pony up $300 for an iTV to stream their standard definition content to their HDTVs. That $300 would be better spent on an xBox 360 that can do that and a whole lot more.
you cannot buy movies...only rent them
you cannot buy movies...only rent them
Thanks for clarifying. For films, I think renting makes more sense anyhow. I don't want to pay $15 to own a less-than-DVD quality version of a film that sits on my computer and has none of the extras you'd get from a DVD.
From the screenshots of the dashboard running, it shows that for a basic tv show it is 350 microsoft points for HD, and 250 points for regular tv quality. It cost $20 for 1600 microsoft points...so you can figure out the math...
240 points for sd tv. ( that equals $3, each point is worth 1.25 cents )
however supposedly that isn't the final price and is just a placeholder. ( I think they just realized how outraged the people were at the price and are changing it )
I think it would be great if they let us transfer it to our pc. ( download on 360, then transfer to PC or PMP)
Yes, and here's why.
1. You'll be able to RENT movies, not just purchase them.
2. If you're short on space, you can delete tv shows and re-download them later.
3. You can get stuff in High Definition.
4. Your xBox 360 is already connected to your HDTV.
This is perhaps the smartest thing Microsoft has ever done, or the only smart thing they've ever done; either way, Apple should be asking themselves how they're going to convince people to pony up $300 for an iTV to stream their standard definition content to their HDTVs. That $300 would be better spent on an xBox 360 that can do that and a whole lot more.
You really seem to have a thing with HDTV don't you? Half the world does not have an HDTV and I really don't think everyone is going to go out and buy one just because of the xBox 360. Given the fact that a decent one is priced well over 600-700 dollars, I doubt most people will buy one just for the xBox especially if most buyers will be teenagers to young adults. In five to six years when prices come down sure but then something even better than HD video will be out.
Xbox installed base? 12.
iPods/iTunes installed base? 50+ million.
Xbox installed base? 12.
*cough* 500,000 xbox 360 users on live *cough*
btw is it really 50+ million? I didn't think it was that high.
1) Already connected to the TV. I won't have to buy an iTV.
2) 720p HD content.... not just DVD quality. I wouldnt pay the price apple is charging for a movie download even if it was DVD quality, I want HD... there's no reason not to.
3) I would rather rent than own movies. I am a netflix subcriber right now and I love it. Microsoft could make a killing if they offered some type of monthly service that allowed X amount of movies to be viewed each day. As is, ~$5 to rent an HD movie vs. ~$10 to own a less-than-dvd-quality movie is a no brainer.
To elaborate-- Xboxen are far less distributed, or even on the radar of most buyers. iTunes, though has some major mind share, and usage. iTV stands a much greater chance of adoption, just by those who would be able to use it.
People often mistake their own in-group as representative of the rest of the world. Game console owners are a relatively small group. They're even less representative because such a major part of them is composed of kids/teens. While iPod has many teen users, it didn't start out with that population. It was actually an adult phenomenon tat spread to teens. Much wider interest and distribution.
iTV won't sell like iPod, but it will sell more than Xbox.
Just making a point.
To elaborate-- Xboxen are far less distributed, or even on the radar of most buyers. iTunes, though has some major mind share, and usage. iTV stands a much greater chance of adoption, just by those who would be able to use it.
People often mistake their own in-group as representative of the rest of the world. Game console owners are a relatively small group. They're even less representative because such a major part of them is composed of kids/teens. While iPod has many teen users, it didn't start out with that population. It was actually an adult phenomenon tat spread to teens. Much wider interest and distribution.
iTV won't sell like iPod, but it will sell more than Xbox.
but if consumers considered the features??
I am not sure but isn't the speculated price for the iTV $300?
and a 360 is $400. but also includes a dvd player and
So lets compare
iTV:
Stream video, music, pictures ( possibly movies.... ) also allows you to hook up pmp/mp3 player.
assuming it has an hdd ( not sure?? ) it could also store some tv shows and movies/ maybe dvr?
360:
stream video, music, pictures, buy tv shows, rent movies, plays dvds, hook up pmp/mp3 player, plays video games, online voice chat w/ video. and has an hdd so you can take it with you and not have to carry around a pc/mac to stream.
most consumers would probably spend the extra $100 if they knew the 360 had the same features and more.
then again, apple has proven that simplicity is best and if they offer an easier to use system of purchasing and streaming content ( as well as possibly a dvr ) then they will win hands down.
From MacDailynews:
"Apple has sold nearly 70 million iPods since introducing them in 2001 and the devices command about 75 percent of the global MP3 player market," AFP reports.
Just to verify my previous statement of 50 million ipods sold. I was wrong, it's 70 million.
From MacDailynews:
"Apple has sold nearly 70 million iPods since introducing them in 2001 and the devices command about 75 percent of the global MP3 player market," AFP reports.
omg.... that is alot of pods.
no seriously....
Hmmm these comparisons are all wrong, they just look at features and superiority over actual numbers and if people would actually buy it just because it has a little more features.
The Xbox 360, hands down has more features. However, it's basically just another Media Center Extender jammed into an Xbox. Take into account the simple matter that not many people will buy a 360 just because it has extra features JUST BECAUSE THE iTV is coming out. If people want those extra features, they may proudly do so by walking into a Best Buy and buying their very own Xbox 360. But they will not look at the iTV, say "That's kind of cool, but I think the Xbox 360 has more features so I'll just go buy that instead" They could've done that already, meaning the iTV gives one little incentive to buy a 360, just for more features. If someones going to buy a 360, it will more likely be to play the games on the platform then to "Show Up" the iTV with extra features.
Secondly, the Xbox 360 media center extender only works with PCs with Media Center installed, that would be my PC, but GASP!! I wouldn't be able to play much media since the majority of my content on my PC is from iTunes itself. Many will face this same problem, at least with Music. Not to mention the install base for Media Center itself is fairly low on XP computers, but it's standard in Vista.
So viable alternatives to the iTV: Playstation 3, TiVo, Nintendo Wii, Xbox 360 or other Media Center Extender
All of those are viable, but none of them do what the iTV does, it streams content, more specifically content from a Mac or a PC, to a TV. More importantly, it's designed to stream content that you bought in iTunes, though not limited to just that. You can use any of the above as alternatives, but none of them do what the iTV is designed to do, play iTunes content, not to mention it's base will likely be made up of people with iPods and who buy Video in iTunes.
-Sebastian
Drowning in Windows Misery Ultimate Edition -_-
yeah you got a point there, I forgot the iTunes factor. I get the majority of my media content from iTunes, so I would have to use iTV to stream them.