Will we ever have a perfect DVD->AppleTV solution?

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in iPod + iTunes + AppleTV edited January 2014
I've handbraked quite a few DVDs and I'm generally impressed at the quality I get for a fraction of the space, but I miss my DVD capabilities (Subtitles, alternate audio tracks, even menus sometimes).



I know there some cumbersome ways of getting all the alternate tracks and subtitles in (while not hardcoded into the video), but I just don't see a slick all-preserved, one click solution on the horizon.



Furthermore, I just don't see apple bending over backwards to make dvd conversion more appealing than downloading from itunes.



Whaddaya think?

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 18
    this is great. i just searched the forums here at AI for this specific topic. although there arent any helpful replies at the moment i will be keeping my eyes on this thread.



    Also, i would like to ask, is it necessary to use the hightest quality settings? i thought the H264 compression was excellent. what would be the best setting while still considering file size.



    right now handbrake gets about a 1.8GB file from its default setting which sets the H264 compression (they call it quality) to 50%. if i change it to 100% quality (im assuming that means 0% compression) the file size was 4GB at 1/5th of the way through ripping so i stopped it. that would of been a 20GB file...possibly.
  • Reply 2 of 18
    I agree - there needs to be a way for us to use our existing DVD libraries. Handbrake/VisualHub/Crunch kind of work - but you have to piddle with the more copy protected DVDs.



    Personally, I would like to see a 100 DVD changer that goes on my ethernet network. iTunes could then control it and capture the menu selection, etc. and make it pretty much seemless as you selected a movie to watch. There would be a slight delay in pulling it up, but that's OK.



    I would like this kind of solution for a few reasons - one it would be "Apple TV seamless" and 2) it would keep all of the DVD's in one place and out of reach of the kiddos. DRM people would (should) be able to accept this also in that there's no copying going on.



    On the other hand, if I could mail off my DVDs/VHS tapes to an Apple-sponsored service, I would pay a few bucks each to be able to download legal iTunes copies. I am just not going to pay $10 when I already own the DVD/tape. My wife has collected probably 75 or so Disney etc tapes that I intend to import some day. I would gladly pay several hundred $$ to have someone shred them and allow me to download. Maybe charge some more and ship it back on a USB hard drive.



    Phil
  • Reply 3 of 18
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 30,412member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by philbutler View Post


    I agree - there needs to be a way for us to use our existing DVD libraries. Handbrake/VisualHub/Crunch kind of work - but you have to piddle with the more copy protected DVDs.



    Personally, I would like to see a 100 DVD changer that goes on my ethernet network. iTunes could then control it and capture the menu selection, etc. and make it pretty much seemless as you selected a movie to watch. There would be a slight delay in pulling it up, but that's OK.



    I would like this kind of solution for a few reasons - one it would be "Apple TV seamless" and 2) it would keep all of the DVD's in one place and out of reach of the kiddos. DRM people would (should) be able to accept this also in that there's no copying going on.



    On the other hand, if I could mail off my DVDs/VHS tapes to an Apple-sponsored service, I would pay a few bucks each to be able to download legal iTunes copies. I am just not going to pay $10 when I already own the DVD/tape. My wife has collected probably 75 or so Disney etc tapes that I intend to import some day. I would gladly pay several hundred $$ to have someone shred them and allow me to download. Maybe charge some more and ship it back on a USB hard drive.



    Phil



    Those multi-disk carousels are a pretty unreliable bunch. Used to use one in an office environment and it was always getting confused and shutting down.
  • Reply 4 of 18
    dave k.dave k. Posts: 1,306member
    I just want to see the ability for my Mac to stream a DVD from it to an Apple TV. This way I can remove my DVD player from my entertainment center.



    Dave
  • Reply 5 of 18
    at a quality setting of 76% in handbrake the finished file should be around 3.6GB. and you can still see artifacts.



    this isnt really worth it. can you imagine an HD quality dvd ripped to a computer with a compression amount set for a result of no artifacting? the file would be over 5GB. i think it would be best to either forget about computers streaming/downloading/ripping HD movies for awhile. it would be smarter to just buy an HD disc system.



    it would cost me ten dollars just to responsibly store one HD movie on a computer plus the price of the movie and the time it would take to rip it to a computer.



    for now HD isnt easily workable for home storage and viewing on a computer, or streaming from a computer to a media hub like AppleTv for instance.
  • Reply 6 of 18
    galleygalley Posts: 971member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post


    I just want to see the ability for my Mac to stream a DVD from it to an Apple TV. This way I can remove my DVD player from my entertainment center.



    Dave



    Yes, please!
  • Reply 7 of 18
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    I'd think the movie companies would let iTunes rip a DVD and put copy protection on it like exist on current movies downloaded from the iTunes Store.
  • Reply 8 of 18
    spindriftspindrift Posts: 674member
    It would be great if Apple brought out a slot loading Blu-Ray / DVD player in the same form factor as the Apple TV. This could stack beneath Apple TV and hook up to it via the USB port. Apple TV could then access any media in it seamlessly through its menu.
  • Reply 9 of 18
    squall58squall58 Posts: 29member
    for me , i think the speed is the best important factor
    Quote:

    I'd think the movie companies would let iTunes rip a DVD and put copy protection on it like exist on current movies downloaded from the iTunes Store.



    is that possible? I can agree.But for me, i purchased a dvd to iPod converter (Imtoo) to solve this, i know that there is a law question, but i don't care.
  • Reply 10 of 18
    -df-df Posts: 136member
    I dabbled in Handbrake for a small time until I just decided that for the effort (encoding time), file size and quality, it just wasn't worth it. Since then I just started ripping the DVD titles only onto my HDDs. I have about 200 DVD titles ripped so far and they average out to be 4.5GB per movie - and these are 100% full DVD rips, as in VIDEO_TS folders... no menus or special features as I find them cumbersome and generally uninteresting, but the chapters remain in tact as well as the subtitles, and when I rip I can choose what languages I want and don't want.



    I use DVD Assist to launch them from Front Row and it works like magic. I even set it up so the preview box in Front Row displays 1080p QT videos of the movie posters.



    It's a really nice set-up, and with HDDs getting so cheap I don't think it's impractical anymore. 200 full quality DVD movies with chapters, subtitles and as many languages as you want can all fit within 1TB.



    Unfortunately for you TV people, I don't think there's a way to play VIDEO_TS folders yet, but that's why I'm sticking with Front Row for the moment.
  • Reply 11 of 18
    dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
    There are already hacks for playing video TS folders. The only problem I could see is streaming likely won't work over the limited bandwidth of wifi.
  • Reply 12 of 18
    trans9btrans9b Posts: 97member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dfiler View Post


    There are already hacks for playing video TS folders. The only problem I could see is streaming likely won't work over the limited bandwidth of wifi.



    Over 802.11n it works perfectly. I have a bunch of videoTS folders on a hard drive like the poster above mentioned but it's networked, and I use VLC to play them over wifi, never drops a frame. Mac file server LAN'd to 802.11n AirPort extreme and MacBook w/802.11n.



    I'm hesitant to hack my appletv to perform the same function...the unit has been out long enough to see a software update from apple soon...if I'm not satisfied with what they bring to the table, then I'll hack!
  • Reply 13 of 18
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by -dF View Post


    I dabbled in Handbrake for a small time until I just decided that for the effort (encoding time), file size and quality, it just wasn't worth it. Since then I just started ripping the DVD titles only onto my HDDs. I have about 200 DVD titles ripped so far and they average out to be 4.5GB per movie - and these are 100% full DVD rips, as in VIDEO_TS folders... no menus or special features as I find them cumbersome and generally uninteresting, but the chapters remain in tact as well as the subtitles, and when I rip I can choose what languages I want and don't want.



    I use DVD Assist to launch them from Front Row and it works like magic. I even set it up so the preview box in Front Row displays 1080p QT videos of the movie posters.



    It's a really nice set-up, and with HDDs getting so cheap I don't think it's impractical anymore. 200 full quality DVD movies with chapters, subtitles and as many languages as you want can all fit within 1TB.



    Unfortunately for you ?TV people, I don't think there's a way to play VIDEO_TS folders yet, but that's why I'm sticking with Front Row for the moment.



    So 200 SD DVDs, I wonder how many HD xvid rips? I am in the process of getting 1) storage and 2)mini or atv. I can go 500gb reliable FW drive, or a TB less reliable FW drive. Is RAID 0 better than a single HDD? Trying to figure out the best gear and route to go with your similar setup (storing movies locally and stream them to your HDTV via mini or atv)
  • Reply 14 of 18
    dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
    It's good to hear of more and more successful video TS streaming over 802.11n.



    But also keep in mind that not everyone will has reception good enough for this. Some neighborhoods are extremely RF noisy, with multiple wifi nodes on every channel. For people in these neighborhoods reception is spotty even with the n standard.
  • Reply 15 of 18
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,946member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by -dF View Post


    It's a really nice set-up, and with HDDs getting so cheap I don't think it's impractical anymore.



    That's not my complaint about it, it's the transcode time. I don't like my computer running at max for half an hour to try to save a few seconds on putting the disc in the tray of a DVD player. When it gets to HD, that's even worse, converting a one hour HD show to AppleTV's HD format took three hours. That's a waste of processor power and electricity.
  • Reply 16 of 18
    g_warreng_warren Posts: 713member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post


    I just want to see the ability for my Mac to stream a DVD from it to an Apple TV. This way I can remove my DVD player from my entertainment center.



    Dave



    It's for that reason that I'm keeping a mac mini under my TV instead of an Apple TV. I guess it just means I'll have to have the other computer on (which will contain the iTunes content) whenever I want iTunes tracks on them both. Unless there is an easy way of syncing my mac mini they way you can sync an Apple TV?! \
  • Reply 17 of 18
    -df-df Posts: 136member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    That's not my complaint about it, it's the transcode time. I don't like my computer running at max for half an hour to try to save a few seconds on putting the disc in the tray of a DVD player. When it gets to HD, that's even worse, converting a one hour HD show to AppleTV's HD format took three hours. That's a waste of processor power and electricity.



    That's why I'm suggesting that you not encode anything. Just rip it - takes like 15 minutes per DVD.



    As for HD stuff, it'd be nice if someone could get QT (and TV) to play .mkv files, but I haven't found a codec yet... so I'm still playing LOST via VLC.
  • Reply 18 of 18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dfiler View Post


    There are already hacks for playing video TS folders. The only problem I could see is streaming likely won't work over the limited bandwidth of wifi.



    Where could we find those hacks?
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