Do i need an Xserver or not ?

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Hello,



I have a very small office with only 2 users. I need to run a website and i will probably use a wiki program (or the new wiki server in leopard) to display project information to my customers. First i tought to program something in filemaker, but i guess the wiki will do the trick for me.



My question is, i will only have around 5 customers somethimes browsing on that wiki (maybe a few times a month) and since we are only with 2 users i have a real problem desciding if i need an Xserver or not. The collaboration is only between me and my collegue, doesn't it makes more sence to buy 2 big macpro's 8 core and on my machine run the wiki and configure it for some file sharing ? Or would you advise to use the Mac OS X server even if we are only with 2 people and we will not expand in the comming years ?



Thank you for your reaction.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 17
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,408member
    Short answer: Regarding the Xserve... no.
  • Reply 2 of 17
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    Agreed. FWIW, I have a mail server (IMAP/SMTP), web server, file server, and DNS server in my study at home. It's a G4 Cube. You don't need the hardware of an Xserve.



    What you *may* want, based on your technical prowess, is to get a copy of MacOS X Server, however. $499, and it gives you GUI tools over the servers for mail, web, iChat, and in 10.5, wiki. Buy a copy of that, put it on the hardware of your choice, and that should be plenty.



    Be sure not to skimp on the backup solution though.
  • Reply 3 of 17
    sternonesternone Posts: 80member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post


    Agreed. FWIW, I have a mail server (IMAP/SMTP), web server, file server, and DNS server in my study at home. It's a G4 Cube. You don't need the hardware of an Xserve.



    What you *may* want, based on your technical prowess, is to get a copy of MacOS X Server, however. $499, and it gives you GUI tools over the servers for mail, web, iChat, and in 10.5, wiki. Buy a copy of that, put it on the hardware of your choice, and that should be plenty.



    Be sure not to skimp on the backup solution though.



    With 2 persons working togheter, do you think installing a centralized server is worth it ? For backup purposes ? Others ?



    Thanks for your reaction
  • Reply 4 of 17
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    Not really - I mean, one of the machines can be the server.



    Look at it this way - I'm considering doing a massive upgrade of my system to add centralized code repository (svn), wiki, and several other things to the server. And I'm looking at a mini.



    Unless you get into massive network loads, or PHP/DHTML scripts running like mad, the impact for a light duty server is going to be negligible on day to day tasks in all but a few boundary cases.



    I haven't looked recently, but you may be able to buy a Mac Pro preinstalled with MacOS X Server for a bit less than purchasing them separately.
  • Reply 5 of 17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post


    Agreed. FWIW, I have a mail server (IMAP/SMTP), web server, file server, and DNS server in my study at home. It's a G4 Cube. You don't need the hardware of an Xserve.



    What you *may* want, based on your technical prowess, is to get a copy of MacOS X Server, however. $499, and it gives you GUI tools over the servers for mail, web, iChat, and in 10.5, wiki. Buy a copy of that, put it on the hardware of your choice, and that should be plenty.



    Be sure not to skimp on the backup solution though.



    Kicka,



    Does the X server OS have the ability to act as a DHCP server as well or do you let your router do that?
  • Reply 6 of 17
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    Has the ability, I let the router handle it.
  • Reply 7 of 17
    sternonesternone Posts: 80member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post


    Not really - I mean, one of the machines can be the server.



    Look at it this way - I'm considering doing a massive upgrade of my system to add centralized code repository (svn), wiki, and several other things to the server. And I'm looking at a mini.



    Unless you get into massive network loads, or PHP/DHTML scripts running like mad, the impact for a light duty server is going to be negligible on day to day tasks in all but a few boundary cases.



    I haven't looked recently, but you may be able to buy a Mac Pro preinstalled with MacOS X Server for a bit less than purchasing them separately.



    For taking backups, is running mac os x server on a mini a good idea ? Will the new mac os x server run on a mini ?
  • Reply 8 of 17
    Mac OS X Server runs great on a mini. We have quite a few customers who run it from our data center and the performance is great.
  • Reply 9 of 17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stukdog View Post


    Mac OS X Server runs great on a mini. We have quite a few customers who run it from our data center and the performance is great.



    Thanks for your message, any idea about the 10.5 mac os x server ?
  • Reply 10 of 17
    Coincidentally, I just installed 10.5 on a mini for the first time today. It works fine.
  • Reply 11 of 17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stukdog View Post


    Coincidentally, I just installed 10.5 on a mini for the first time today. It works fine.



    Thanks for your message, please tell me do you have 1gb ram or more ?
  • Reply 12 of 17
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Yes, max your RAM on the mini. Its cheaper to do yourself but its kinda a hassle.



    Makes a great little server and you may wish to reboot to do/update something on your Mac Pro and with the mini you won't have to worry about taking down your customer wiki at the same time.
  • Reply 13 of 17
    smeesmee Posts: 195member
    I just upgraded my mini to 2gb of RAM, and its screeming fast! (I'm running Leopard)

    The memory only cost $65 on newegg. (Corsair Mac Memory 2 x 1GB).

    I put it in myself

    Way way cheaper to buy and upgrade yourself than buying it from apple and having them do it.



    (by the way, the OS was still really snappy when I only had 1GB in it)
  • Reply 14 of 17
    In 2003 I ran OS X server on a G3 iMac. It had more than 5 clients, and ran fine. A mini is a very capable machine. If you are stressing the disk, there are documented mods on the internet that show how to graft a 3.5" HD onto the mini. It's not pretty, but servers never are.
  • Reply 15 of 17
    dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
    My advice:

    Skip the xserve and spend that part of the hardware budget on a NAS and/or tape-drive.
  • Reply 16 of 17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dfiler View Post


    My advice:

    Skip the xserve and spend that part of the hardware budget on a NAS and/or tape-drive.



    What model would you buy ?
  • Reply 17 of 17
    dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
    Impossible to say without first defining budget, capacity, performance, risk tolerance, etc...



    For instance, a NAS/SAN can easily cost anywhere from $100 to $100000.
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