You see, this is precisely the kind of hypocrisy the Sonytards are known for.
We were mad because the format war was effectively over, and the first bribe wasted a few months of everyones time by bringing HD-DVD back from the dead. The second bribe (if it exists, it is just a hypothesis) ended the BS caused by the first bribe.
I'm pretty happy that Microsoft lost money (a billion dollars maybe?, including the bribe and the development of all their IP that went into HD-DVD), also.
You see, this is precisely the kind of hypocrisy the Sonytards are known for.
You spent half your posts railing against the Paramount "bribe" once the news came out and ridiculed anyone who said $150 million in marketing incentives was peanuts and not even the budget for one movie.
But when your format is in the exact same position, you call the payments "incentives" without a trace of remorse.
The end justifies the means. Just like Sony's approach to DRMed media over the years.
You see, this is precisely the point you keep missing. I said you are "probably" right...and in no way have I seen any evidence that can validate what you are claiming might be happening. Also, I used the word "incentives" simply to poke fun at your clamoring in regards to the $150 million dollar bribe.
If anything, Microsoft changed the way the game was played, and they are simply getting the favor returned for their actions in bribery, that is, if there was any "incentives"...or maybe it is simply karma coming back to bite them in the ass.
Moreover, at the very least, Warner has given HD DVD consumers the courtesy of 8 months to let their decision of exclusivity settle with consumers, not like Paramount who took Microsoft's payment and went with it the next day, despite the majority of consumers buying Blu-ray.
I know you like the word "hypocrisy" and all and how you attempt to label me and others here as such, but give it a rest will you. You're calling me and others hypocrites on an event that hasn't even happened, just one you suppose happened.
Furthermore the only "tard"-like logic is thinking that Sony is the BDA after the almost 4 years we've been discussing this.
I'm so glad I never bought a HD-DVD drive for my Xbox 360 now!
If it comes true that Macs will have Blu Ray at Macworld, then I wonder how much life HD-DVD has as a movie or data disc. Are Microsoft likely to give in and put out a Blu Ray drive for the 360 now, or fight their corner for HD-DVD? Somehow 'Microsoft' and 'give in' don't really go together to me.
Hopefully Paramount and Dreamworks will be forced to remain HD-DVD exclusive due to their earlier bribe action, and hopefully they will lose all that bribe money and more due to lost sales.
Hopefully not. The sooner there's just one format the better things are. Having Paramount and Dreamworks stuck on HD-DVD is just asking for more trouble unless Toshiba just caves and calls it a day. Not too danged likely even with the recent hit.
At least the probability of a Blu-ray vs HD DVD (2009) thread just went down by a prodigious amount.
Warner said it would continue releasing in the HD DVD format until the end of May, although those releases would follow the standard DVD and Blu-ray releases.
Looks like May is when I'll be buying the Samsung BD-UP 5000. I can handle that.
Because all HD-DVD hardware and software will now spontaneously combust?
I'm surprised you even wasted the energy to answer that stupid shit. I just bought HD DVD Knocked Up and Transformers 30 minutes ago. I'm not going to see those on Blu-ray for a while. If people want to sell their HD DVD media for a cheap price I'll take it. The HD DVD I have still play great the VHS I have lying around just take up space.
Why does anyone believe Warner got an incentive? They picked the winning format, not the losing one. It's Paramount that saw 150 million dollar signs floating above their heads and chose to look at the pretty colors instead of the HD disc sales figures.
Because money's always involved in these kinds of things?
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According to a trusted source that was close to the negotiations, Warner and FOX were working on a deal to go Exclusive to HD DVD as recent as last week. Our source tells us that Warner was only willing to go to HD DVD if FOX would go with them. Their thinking was if they just went to HD DVD by themselves, it would not end the format war. Early this week FOX was paid an undisclosed amount to remain exclusive to Blu-ray. With the FOX deal falling through, Warner had no choice but to accept the BDA?s $500 Million offer to go Blu-ray exclusive. We do wonder if FOX was just playing the HD DVD side, while having no intentions of ever switching.
Why does anyone believe Warner got an incentive? They picked the winning format, not the losing one. It's Paramount that saw 150 million dollar signs floating above their heads and chose to look at the pretty colors instead of the HD disc sales figures.
Look, we all know that the Blu-ray studios got incentives at the beginning. Why else did they choose a format that costs far more to produce?
Maybe it's because it's got even more DRM than HD-DVD?
I haven't really been participating in any of these annual Blu-ray Vs. HD-DVD threads, just looking-on a bit confused as to why people are so happy to back a format that perpetuates the deeply irritating region-coding and gives studios even more control than HD-DVD does.
(for the record I don't have an HD player of either format and probably won't for another couple of years)
Warner are Blu only.. cool news, if a little expected, but sudden and out of the Blu (ok ok) So dreamworks will likely release a few BD movies now sooner rather than later.
Paramount oh Paramount where for art thou Paramount, what blu light through yonder WINDOWS breaks..
..If Ballmer sees thee he will murder thee.
yeah, I'm happy with the news an end to a stupid format war .. whats that then? VB day?? Victory for Blu?
Wow, Warner's decision was a shocker! Earlier today I was about to post that I doubted that Warner would make that choice. That sure shows how little I know.
If moines did change hands I guess we have Microsoft to thank for showing the BDA how things are done.
Seriously, though, I think Warner's statement that consumers will not adopt HDM as long as there are competing formats is spot on. Hopefully this will hasten the end of the stupid format war.
Regarding Paramount and their 18 month agreement and a possible opt-out, who do you think has better lawyers, Paramount or Microsoft? My bet is that they're locked in for the life of the agreement.
One thing I haven't seen discussed is what kind of pressure will this put on Universal to go format neutral. Will they feel they'll have to tap into the larger and soon to be even larger BD market? Anyone have any thoughts on this.
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You see, this is precisely the kind of hypocrisy the Sonytards are known for.
We were mad because the format war was effectively over, and the first bribe wasted a few months of everyones time by bringing HD-DVD back from the dead. The second bribe (if it exists, it is just a hypothesis) ended the BS caused by the first bribe.
I'm pretty happy that Microsoft lost money (a billion dollars maybe?, including the bribe and the development of all their IP that went into HD-DVD), also.
You see, this is precisely the kind of hypocrisy the Sonytards are known for.
You spent half your posts railing against the Paramount "bribe" once the news came out and ridiculed anyone who said $150 million in marketing incentives was peanuts and not even the budget for one movie.
But when your format is in the exact same position, you call the payments "incentives" without a trace of remorse.
The end justifies the means. Just like Sony's approach to DRMed media over the years.
You see, this is precisely the point you keep missing. I said you are "probably" right...and in no way have I seen any evidence that can validate what you are claiming might be happening. Also, I used the word "incentives" simply to poke fun at your clamoring in regards to the $150 million dollar bribe.
If anything, Microsoft changed the way the game was played, and they are simply getting the favor returned for their actions in bribery, that is, if there was any "incentives"...or maybe it is simply karma coming back to bite them in the ass.
Moreover, at the very least, Warner has given HD DVD consumers the courtesy of 8 months to let their decision of exclusivity settle with consumers, not like Paramount who took Microsoft's payment and went with it the next day, despite the majority of consumers buying Blu-ray.
I know you like the word "hypocrisy" and all and how you attempt to label me and others here as such, but give it a rest will you. You're calling me and others hypocrites on an event that hasn't even happened, just one you suppose happened.
Furthermore the only "tard"-like logic is thinking that Sony is the BDA after the almost 4 years we've been discussing this.
If it comes true that Macs will have Blu Ray at Macworld, then I wonder how much life HD-DVD has as a movie or data disc. Are Microsoft likely to give in and put out a Blu Ray drive for the 360 now, or fight their corner for HD-DVD? Somehow 'Microsoft' and 'give in' don't really go together to me.
That was £95 well spent. Yay for Blu-Ray! It has a cooler name anyway!
Hopefully Paramount and Dreamworks will be forced to remain HD-DVD exclusive due to their earlier bribe action, and hopefully they will lose all that bribe money and more due to lost sales.
Hopefully not. The sooner there's just one format the better things are. Having Paramount and Dreamworks stuck on HD-DVD is just asking for more trouble unless Toshiba just caves and calls it a day. Not too danged likely even with the recent hit.
At least the probability of a Blu-ray vs HD DVD (2009) thread just went down by a prodigious amount.
At least the probability of a Blu-ray vs HD DVD (2009) thread just went down by a prodigious amount.
Yeah, we'll just have to start arguing about the xMac again!
Yeah, we'll just have to start arguing about the xMac again!
I'll second that.
Around the net today...many a HD DVD proponent find themselves eating what some consider a black delicacy...and it is to f'n buku...
I kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiid. I kid.
Warner said it would continue releasing in the HD DVD format until the end of May, although those releases would follow the standard DVD and Blu-ray releases.
Looks like May is when I'll be buying the Samsung BD-UP 5000. I can handle that.
Anything HD-DVD bought now is wasted $$$.
Because all HD-DVD hardware and software will now spontaneously combust?
Because all HD-DVD hardware and software will now spontaneously combust?
I'm surprised you even wasted the energy to answer that stupid shit. I just bought HD DVD Knocked Up and Transformers 30 minutes ago. I'm not going to see those on Blu-ray for a while. If people want to sell their HD DVD media for a cheap price I'll take it. The HD DVD I have still play great the VHS I have lying around just take up space.
Why does anyone believe Warner got an incentive?
Because money's always involved in these kinds of things?
According to a trusted source that was close to the negotiations, Warner and FOX were working on a deal to go Exclusive to HD DVD as recent as last week. Our source tells us that Warner was only willing to go to HD DVD if FOX would go with them. Their thinking was if they just went to HD DVD by themselves, it would not end the format war. Early this week FOX was paid an undisclosed amount to remain exclusive to Blu-ray. With the FOX deal falling through, Warner had no choice but to accept the BDA?s $500 Million offer to go Blu-ray exclusive. We do wonder if FOX was just playing the HD DVD side, while having no intentions of ever switching.
No idea if it's true, but it makes a good story.
Why does anyone believe Warner got an incentive? They picked the winning format, not the losing one. It's Paramount that saw 150 million dollar signs floating above their heads and chose to look at the pretty colors instead of the HD disc sales figures.
Look, we all know that the Blu-ray studios got incentives at the beginning. Why else did they choose a format that costs far more to produce?
Maybe it's because it's got even more DRM than HD-DVD?
I haven't really been participating in any of these annual Blu-ray Vs. HD-DVD threads, just looking-on a bit confused as to why people are so happy to back a format that perpetuates the deeply irritating region-coding and gives studios even more control than HD-DVD does.
(for the record I don't have an HD player of either format and probably won't for another couple of years)
(for the record I don't have an HD player of either format and probably won't for another couple of years)
No wonder you didn't join in then mate! at one point in these threads NOT having either player might have gotten you shot at..
Paramount oh Paramount where for art thou Paramount, what blu light through yonder WINDOWS breaks..
..If Ballmer sees thee he will murder thee.
yeah, I'm happy with the news
long live the king and all that
If moines did change hands I guess we have Microsoft to thank for showing the BDA how things are done.
Seriously, though, I think Warner's statement that consumers will not adopt HDM as long as there are competing formats is spot on. Hopefully this will hasten the end of the stupid format war.
Regarding Paramount and their 18 month agreement and a possible opt-out, who do you think has better lawyers, Paramount or Microsoft? My bet is that they're locked in for the life of the agreement.
One thing I haven't seen discussed is what kind of pressure will this put on Universal to go format neutral. Will they feel they'll have to tap into the larger and soon to be even larger BD market? Anyone have any thoughts on this.
No wonder you didn't join in then mate! at one point in these threads NOT having either player might have gotten you shot at..
LOL!