w00t! young one discovers true power of os x
[quote]Originally posted by M3D Jack:
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Well, if I need to grab files from my machine remotely, and I won't have timbuktu on the remote box, I turn on ftp on my workstation. I worried about the security risks for about two minutes, and then realized that I'm really not that important, and if anyone is going to waste their time trying to hack my box, I keep daily backups just in case anything goes wrong.
For me, all I have to do is click a button in the preferences and ftp is on. Sorry, but I think people go a little overboard and get too paranoid over security sometimes. Hell, just read slashdot...</strong><hr></blockquote>
But the thing is, you don't need to use ftp to do what you're doing. SSH includes sftp, which does the same thing ftp does, but is more secure.
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Well, if I need to grab files from my machine remotely, and I won't have timbuktu on the remote box, I turn on ftp on my workstation. I worried about the security risks for about two minutes, and then realized that I'm really not that important, and if anyone is going to waste their time trying to hack my box, I keep daily backups just in case anything goes wrong.
For me, all I have to do is click a button in the preferences and ftp is on. Sorry, but I think people go a little overboard and get too paranoid over security sometimes. Hell, just read slashdot...</strong><hr></blockquote>
But the thing is, you don't need to use ftp to do what you're doing. SSH includes sftp, which does the same thing ftp does, but is more secure.
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gee, i wonder what my computers doing? bwahahahahahaha
Welcome to Darwin!
[sr3886:~] root# top
Processes: 36 total, 3 running, 33 sleeping... 82 threads 15:38:52
Load Avg: 1.05, 1.00, 1.00 CPU usage: 92.7% user, 7.3% sys, 0.0% idl40:28
SharedLibs: n06, 1.00, 1.00ident = 11.9M cod93.5.02M dat6.5% sys, 0.0% idle
MemRegions: num = 1448, resident = 25.0M + 2.39M private, 13.1M shared
PhysMem: 27.2M wired8 34.1M active,5.0.0M inactive, 94.3M used, 162M free
VM: 967M + 45.0M 24715(1) pageins, 3.035(0) pageout4.3 2
7 0
PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #PRTS #MREGS RPRVT RSHRD RSIZE VSIZE
314 top 7.8% 0:00.30 1 15 14 196K 276K+ 436K+ 1.37M
309 tcsh 6.5% 0:06.50 1 16 15 200K 604K 440K 5.72M
308 sshd 0.0% 0:00.06 1 9 13 108K 452K 320K 1.50M
307 ScreenSave 0.0% 0:00.11 1 58 65 740K 5.09M 5.71M 69.9M
303 setiathome 88.4% 98:20.71 1 12 78 14.3M+ 428K 14.5M+ 17.0M+
284 SetiDockli 93.5% 99:50.05 3 64 88 14.3M+ 1.13M 14.5M+ 17.0M+
283 SystemUISe 0.0% 0:01.97 3 120 123 756K 1.20M 1.15M 75.6M
282 Dock 0.0% 0:03.75 3 94 93 932K 1.21M 1.37M 71.9M
278 Finder 0.0% 0:04.01 2 81 169 5.40M 5.38M 8.96M 86.3M
272 pbs 0.0% 0:01.01 1 28 25 372K 440K 544K 18.2M
267 loginwindo 0.0% 0:04.79 7 144 105 960K 1.22M 1.53M 60.4M
266 Window Man 0.0% 1:06.69 3 109 97 700K 8.30M 8.62M 46.8M
263 cron 0.0% 1:06.70 1 9 15 32K 272K 60K 1.52M
259 sshd 0.0% 0:00.64 1 9 14 60K 452K 152K 1.50M
253 SecuritySe 0.0% 0:00.16 1 28 18 88K 380K 140K 2.09M
How can i send files via SSH, or browse directories?
<strong>So SSH'ing is like timbuktu, without the GUI?
How can i send files via SSH, or browse directories?</strong><hr></blockquote>
SSH is an encrypted connection, in this case, between his two Macs. It is command line based (no GUI). Once the connection is established, you can have a tremendous amount of control over the remote computer.
How do you do all this stuff? Frankly, you'll need to get yourself a book on UNIX and do some reading. This is "real" computing.
<strong>So SSH'ing is like timbuktu, without the GUI?
How can i send files via SSH, or browse directories?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I wouldn't go so far as to compare it to Timbuktu. SSH, like has been mentioned before, is a secure telnet standard. Easiest way to transfer files is to turn on FTP access and get yourself an FTP client. There are secure FTP implementations as well...
<strong>So you let OSX use the remote login, and checked your computer's stats BIG GUY </strong><hr></blockquote>
hey! i said
anyways later while i was stuck at my girlfriends house while she was at work i downloaded a sweet win9x ssh client called putty (versiontracker) and after a quick trip to <a href="http://www.macosxhints.com" target="_blank">macosxhints.com</a> i started playing dunnet ala emacs!
heres my brief playing, kinda funny
Welcome to Darwin!
[sr3886:~] crs% emacs -batch -l dunnet
Dead end
You are at a dead end of a dirt road. The road goes to the east.
In the distance you can see that it will eventually fork off. The
trees here are very tall royal palms, and they are spaced equidistant
from each other.
There is a shovel here.
>north
You can't go that way.
>south
You can't go that way.
>east
E/W Dirt road
You are on the continuation of a dirt road. There are more trees on
both sides of you. The road continues to the east and west.
There is a large boulder here.
>look
E/W Dirt road
You are on the continuation of a dirt road. There are more trees on
both sides of you. The road continues to the east and west.
There is a large boulder here.
>east
Fork
You are at a fork of two passages, one to the northeast, and one to the
southeast. The ground here seems very soft. You can also go back west.
>se
SE/NW road
You are on a southeast/northwest road.
There is some food here.
>eat
You must supply an object.
>eat food
You don't have that.
>get food
Taken.
>eat food
That tasted horrible.
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man ssh
read it, and then hit 'q'
then type: man sftp and read that.
Don't enable ftp serving, that's not even vaguely 1337, and leaves you wide open to those who are.
Copying files with ssh is easy, and you can enable compression to speed things up.
[ 02-23-2002: Message edited by: stimuli ]</p>
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I wouldn't go so far as to compare it to Timbuktu. SSH, like has been mentioned before, is a secure telnet standard. Easiest way to transfer files is to turn on FTP access and get yourself an FTP client. There are secure FTP implementations as well...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Holy flipping gods!!! FTP is evil. Don't use FTP, kids! <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
SSH goes _far_ beyond just being an encrypted telnet replacement. It's also an encrypted FTP replacement (SCP) and usable as a nice VPN tool for encrypting any type of network traffic.
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Holy flipping gods!!! FTP is evil. Don't use FTP, kids! <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
SSH goes _far_ beyond just being an encrypted telnet replacement. It's also an encrypted FTP replacement (SCP) and usable as a nice VPN tool for encrypting any type of network traffic.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, if I need to grab files from my machine remotely, and I won't have timbuktu on the remote box, I turn on ftp on my workstation. I worried about the security risks for about two minutes, and then realized that I'm really not that important, and if anyone is going to waste their time trying to hack my box, I keep daily backups just in case anything goes wrong.
For me, all I have to do is click a button in the preferences and ftp is on. Sorry, but I think people go a little overboard and get too paranoid over security sometimes. Hell, just read slashdot...
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Holy flipping gods!!! FTP is evil. Don't use FTP, kids! <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
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If people don´t know one of these three things:
1: My IP
2: My Username
3: My Password
What can they do?
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If people don´t know one of these three things:
1: My IP
2: My Username
3: My Password
What can they do?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Simple: they can read the packets going on the net, and from there get:
1: your IP
2: your Username
3: your Password
So they can do whatever they want, as soon as the
packets happen to come close to their machine...
That's why you don't want to use any non-encrypted connection if it includes any password/username you care about.
Moreover ftpd has been known to contain exploits.
<strong>I would think so, since the first leg from your machine to the university telnet account is insecure, the whole thing is comprimised from that point of view....</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, that just sucks. Do I have to go installing an ssh app everytime I want to log in? Bah... What is the port number of ssh? I think that some computers do have hostexplorer which has the option for using different ports. Maybe ssh will work. Stoopid Windows.
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Hey, great thread. I've got the problem that I need to SSH into my Yosemite, which is on the floor running, but has no monitor. I want to transfer the data to my new dual gig ..
But - I didn't set the checkbox on the Yose to allow external administration. So when I try to SSH it says denied access.
Seeing as how I have the password, is there any way to force it to turn that on?
Otherwise I've got to drag a monitor over to it so I can see what the hell I'm doing when I check that box.
Thanks