Installing new HDD. Help!
I'm installing a Maxtor 200GB hard drive. The instructions say it requires a Mac-compatible Ultra ATA/133 PCI card. Unfortunately, the "About this Mac" won't open the System Profiler , so I can't check it. Anyone know another way to the S P? Does anyone know if my computer, an 800 MHz PowerPC G4 tower, would have an Ultra ATA/133 PCI or not?
The instructions also say to set the jumpers on additional HDD attached to the built-in ATA ports must be set to cable select, not to master or slave. I'm lost. Help. How do I know if I should set to cable select or to master and slave?
Thanks
The instructions also say to set the jumpers on additional HDD attached to the built-in ATA ports must be set to cable select, not to master or slave. I'm lost. Help. How do I know if I should set to cable select or to master and slave?
Thanks
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The system profiler app is (or should be) in /Applications/Utilities.
You should put the drive on CS setting.
Marvin, should I still use the CS setting? The new HDD came with that setting. What will happen if I use incorrect settings?
BTW, although System Profiler is in Utilities, it won't open from there either. I did a re-install several weeks ago and have had some weird problems:
In addition to "About this Mac" not opening SP, System Preferences doesn't open from the Apple logo. It does open from the Dock, though.
I've thought of doing a new re-install, BUT - I plan to upgrade from Panther 3.9 to Tiger as soon as I get the new HDD installed, so I'd like to skip that step.
In order to upgrade to Tiger (can't upgrade to Leopard because my G4 is 800 MHz), I have to use a DVD reader - Leopard comes on DVD's and my G4 doesn't have a combo drive.
I borrowed an external DVD reader and intend to put Tiger on the new HDD, move user files, and other necessary files and apps. If you have any suggestions in that area, I'd like to hear them.
Guartho, have you been able to upgrade to Leopard? You said you have a G4 867 so you should be able to.
Marvin, should I still use the CS setting? The new HDD came with that setting. What will happen if I use incorrect settings?
Your house will burn down.
BTW, although System Profiler is in Utilities, it won't open from there either.
Try typing system_profiler into the terminal.
I borrowed an external DVD reader and intend to put Tiger on the new HDD, move user files, and other necessary files and apps. If you have any suggestions in that area, I'd like to hear them.
That sounds fine. You should be able to use migration assistant to transfer users from your other drive.
Try typing system_profiler into the terminal.
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Marvin, I was able to access System Profiler using terminal. Thanks.
What tells me if I have an Ultra ATA/133 card or not. Or do you need more info from Sys Prof?
Hardware Overview:
Machine Model: Power Mac G4
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 800 MHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 133 MHz
ATA-4 Bus:
ST340016A:
Capacity: 38.18 GB
Model: ST340016A
Revision: 5.05
Serial Number: 3HS21CG7
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
Protocol: ATA
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
OS9 Drivers: Yes
DIMM2/J23:
Size: 512 MB
Type: SDRAM
Speed: PC133-333
PCI/AGP Cards:
usb:
Type: usb
Bus: PCI
Slot: SLOT-4
Vendor ID: 0x1033
Device ID: 0x0035
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9005
Subsystem ID: 0x0011
Revision ID: 0x0043
Marvin, I was able to access System Profiler using terminal. Thanks.
What tells me if I have an Ultra ATA/133 card or not. Or do you need more info from Sys Prof?
Yeah, if you use:
system_profiler -detaillevel full
that should tell you everything. Once it reaches a point where it looks like it's stuck, you can hit ctrl-c. The info it's looking for at the end is installed software.
There will be a lot of info so just do a command-f and look for ATA.
Taking the new one out and leaving the old one set at CS, the computer boots - I'm using it now.
If you have more suggestions, I'm all ears.
Using system_profiler -detaillevel full does give me more info, and using FInd gives me MANY ATA's, but I don't know what I'm looking for.
I don't see anything resembling ATA/133. The closest I can see is the info I put on post #6 of this thread.
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Sorry to be a pain, Marvin, but I must have done something wrong. With the new HDD set as master and the old HDD set as cable select, the computer doesn't boot. I get a small square with a question mark in it.
The new drive doesn't have a system on it. You'll have to boot from the installer disc or hold alt and boot from the old drive (try the latter first). If both drives were set as CS, it would probably look at both drives to see if there was a system so it might be best to do that. Right now, since the new drive is set as master, it thinks that's where the OS should be and it's not finding it.
Using system_profiler -detaillevel full does give me more info, and using FInd gives me MANY ATA's, but I don't know what I'm looking for.
I don't see anything resembling ATA/133. The closest I can see is the info I put on post #6 of this thread.
If you set the drives to CS or boot using alt and manage to boot from your old system and you see the new drive mount with the capacity you expect then you will know you have an ATA/133. If you don't have an ATA/133, it should still mount but it won't show the correct disk size.
The new drive doesn't have a system on it. You'll have to boot from the installer disc or hold alt and boot from the old drive (try the latter first). If both drives were set as CS, it would probably look at both drives to see if there was a system so it might be best to do that. Right now, since the new drive is set as master, it thinks that's where the OS should be and it's not finding it.
If you set the drives to CS or boot using alt and manage to boot from your old system and you see the new drive mount with the capacity you expect then you will know you have an ATA/133. If you don't have an ATA/133, it should still mount but it won't show the correct disk size.
After trying several ways, the one that worked is setting both drives as CS. I'm about to start the Tiger installation. Oddly, there is no "Set up assistant" or "Migration assistant" in my Applications/Utilities.
I'm hoping there's one in the new Tiger. I'll let you know how my installation goes.
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Customizing was not an option and I wasn't able to eliminate extra fonts, languages translations, unneeded printer drivers, etc.
Although there was no set up or migration assistants, there was a dialog box that copied User accounts, network and other settings, programs, and other nonsystem data.
Another dialog box allowed me to transfer mail boxes and email.
Although it wasn't exactly as I expected, all in all, I'm satisfied.
BTW, I partioned the 200 GB HDD to 137 GB and 49 GB and they both showed up. I don't know whether that means I have an ATA-133 card or not.
Thanks again, Marvin. You've come through for me more times than I can count.
Customizing was not an option and I wasn't able to eliminate extra fonts, languages translations, unneeded printer drivers, etc.
If you want to fix those manually, your printer drivers are in /Library/printers. Fonts are in /Library/fonts. Extra languages can be removed using Monolingual and in some ways it's better using that app because it also removes extra languages from 3rd party apps like iwork.
Although there was no set up or migration assistants, there was a dialog box that copied User accounts, network and other settings, programs, and other nonsystem data.
Another dialog box allowed me to transfer mail boxes and email.
Although it wasn't exactly as I expected, all in all, I'm satisfied.
Glad to hear you got all your data across.
BTW, I partioned the 200 GB HDD to 137 GB and 49 GB and they both showed up. I don't know whether that means I have an ATA-133 card or not.
Did you partition it because it wasn't showing up properly as 200GB? Does the system profiler app with the Tiger installation work now? If so, maybe that will provide some info on the ATA card.
Did you partition it because it wasn't showing up properly as 200GB? Does the system profiler app with the Tiger installation work now? If so, maybe that will provide some info on the ATA card.
The new HDD showed up in Disk Utilities as 200GB. One of the warnings in the Maxtor instructions was that if the 200 GB HDD wasn't compatible, there might be some loss of data. I thought it might be prudent to partition it. Whether that would resolve the issue or not - time will tell.
Yes, System Profiler does now work under Tiger. I still don't see an ultra ATA/133 card.
The only problem - so far - that I've had with Tiger is that Mail is flaky and craps out when I try to open some emails. Having to reopen it several times in one session is a pain. Then, some of the new "improvements" are not to my liking:
Under the old mail, I could put the mailboxes on either side. I've lost that choice.
Some of the toolbar buttons have changed and now take up too much space in the toolbar.
These and a couple more changes are just petty annoyances, but I wonder why Apple took a step backward in a NEW OS.
I know I'll get used to the new one, but - I'd still like to go back to the old Mail.
Thanks for the info re the printer drivers, fonts, and languages. It's a good thing you and AI are around to bail me out from time to time. I only know enough to be dangerous. Oddly enough, after 20 years or so working on PC's, I learned how to fix many problems - mainly because they cropped up so often. I haven't had that experience with Macs - probably because the same problems DON'T crop up often.
The only problem - so far - that I've had with Tiger is that Mail is flaky and craps out when I try to open some emails. Having to reopen it several times in one session is a pain.
Does a dialog come up? If so, click the report button and paste the log file. The part around Thread 0 is generally the most useful info.
These and a couple more changes are just petty annoyances, but I wonder why Apple took a step backward in a NEW OS.
Sadly, Apple likes to do that all too often. I still can't believe we don't have a color picker to let us decide on the color of the buttons in OS X.
I know I'll get used to the new one, but - I'd still like to go back to the old Mail.
You should be able to use the old Mail app if you still have it on your other drive. Just drag it over and open it. I would rename the Tiger one first though in case you need to use it.
I was surprised at the many apps that languages are associated with.
Some of the space taken up is completely insane. It's because Apple duplicate the interface files and they can often take up 1MB each. If there are 30 languages then 29MB is being wasted on one app. In some places, the software is just so bloated. The worst example I've seen is Automator. The Automator action to make a new text file in /System/Library/Automator was taking up 30MB+ if I recall. The actual script that does the work is 4k inside the bundle. Thanks to the heavy interface files and multiple languages, an action that only really needs 4k takes up over 30MB. I think I saved over 250MB of space on the Automator folder alone. I don't know why they can't just have a set of strings embedded in the .nib file for each language and then people wouldn't even have to worry about them because the extra space used would be negligible. If a menu button has a title called, 'submit', there doesn't need to be 30 copies of the button, just 30 variants of the text submit.
iwork is pretty bad too actually though they've sorted it a little in iwork 08. A lot of the time I get the impression Apple want to keep their OS slower and more bogged down than necessary to ensure we keep buying hardware upgrades. All that's really needed is a bit more effort on optimization on their part.
Does a dialog come up? If so, click the report button and paste the log file. The part around Thread 0 is generally the most useful info.
No, no dialog box. It just disappeared. After the Mail problem, I found 4 or 5 other problems. However, after upgrading to 1.4.11, and upgrading Safari, FireFox, and QuickTime, those and the mail problem were fixed. I'm assuming Mail was flaky in the original Tiger. Now, I'm waiting for the other shoe to fall. What else will go wrong!?!?
Some of the space taken up is completely insane.
Removing other Languages (ESPECIALLY IN AUTOMATOR) liberated almost a Gig of space. I trod lightly in printer drivers, fonts, and Architecture (in Monolingual), and not much more space was freed up. I intend to go back over them later to see what else I can remove.