BREAKING NEWS: OS 10.2 supports older video cards!!!!!

dxp4acu

This is huge! Quartz extreme won't work on Rage Pro and all those older cards, etc., but 10.2 will! Earlier these cards were only supported under 2d stuff, but this time it's fully supported!

Go to the store.apple.com and click on OS X.



this is what it said:



Mac OS X v10.2 supports all video cards shipped by Apple on Mac OS X-compatible systems.



The 1st iMac is a OS X-compatible system, so its video card is supported!!!! Yeah! It's about time!

ghost_user_name

This isn't breaking news. Apple never said that 10.2 wouldn't support older Macs. It supports the same Macs that 10.0 and 10.1 do.



Is there anything else you have to add?

macgp

[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:

<strong>This isn't breaking news. Apple never said that 10.2 wouldn't support older Macs. It supports the same Macs that 10.0 and 10.1 do.



Is there anything else you have to add?</strong><hr></blockquote>



I think he got QE and 10.2 shuffled together somehow.

dxp4acu

But this is the first OS X upgrade to include this. ATI Rage LT cards were NEVER supported by any OS X except now. It's awesome! It should help the older cards performance big time. I was getting tired of having to switch into OS 9 to use my video card.



Lemon Bon Bon

eugene

They were supported as in they displayed your desktop...unaccelerated.



The graph on <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/jaguar/quartzextreme.html"; target="_blank">this page</a> hints at some sort of nominal speed-up though.

serrano

[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:

<strong>This isn't breaking news. Apple never said that 10.2 wouldn't support older Macs. It supports the same Macs that 10.0 and 10.1 do.



Is there anything else you have to add?</strong><hr></blockquote>



I believe he is refering to hardware acceleration, ie. OpenGL. Hopefully that will mean an end to <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000964"; target="_blank">this problem.</a>

thegelding

go <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html"; target="_blank">here</a> to see if your computer is there....g

scott_h_phd

Sigh





When will they learn?

pb

[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:

<strong>This isn't breaking news. Apple never said that 10.2 wouldn't support older Macs. It supports the same Macs that 10.0 and 10.1 do.

</strong><hr></blockquote>



That's correct, but even 10.1.5, which added graphics acceleration for RagePro cards (2d and quicktime though, not OpenGL), has no the drivers for RagePro LT cards found in Wallstreets and Lombards. With a well-documented hack in xlr8yourmac, Lombard users can take 2d acceleration but there exist some annoying problems with that. The same hack gives kernel panic in Wallstreets. Could someone take a look in /System/Library/Extensions of the newest jaguar builds to confirm if there exist or not drivers (GA? GL?) for RagePro LT? If the answer is yes, so it is indeed breaking news, at least for some mac users.



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defiant

[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:

<strong>Sigh





When will they learn?</strong><hr></blockquote>



when time walks bye ?

rogue27

I think "supported" just means it will display your desktop. It doesn't necessarily mean that it will do 2D or 3D acceleration.

pb

[quote]Originally posted by rogue27:

<strong>I think "supported" just means it will display your desktop. It doesn't necessarily mean that it will do 2D or 3D acceleration.</strong><hr></blockquote>



Yes, but then OpenGL and Quicktime are advertised as core technologies of MacOS X (for the supported machines). However these simply don't run on older hardware, with the exception of desktops with RagePro cards (that can run correctly quicktime only with 10.1.5, and still no OpenGL). Thus, despite the fact you are right in saying that "supported" means it will display your desktop, actually the issue is more subtle. And this is the reason for the lawsuit against Apple in California. I bet the partial support of these technologies in 10.1.5 is its result until now. Sad.

scott_h_phd

I forgot about that lawsuit. How do I join? Too bad you have to resort to something as evil and vile as a lawyer to get Apple to be honest and do the right thing.

scott_h_phd

For free? He could end up with a $69 credit at the Apple On Line Store for his effort. Well worth it!



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pb

[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:

<strong>I forgot about that lawsuit.</strong><hr></blockquote>



<a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0201/31.g3osx.php"; target="_blank">http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0201/31.g3osx.php</a>;

thesloth

Looks like this thread died a horrible death...but I would still really like to know about that legacy graphics card support...The machine that got the absolute worst deal out of OSX was the DVD lombard model (which of course I have) in terms of lost functionality. You can get 2D accel in 10.1.5, but it crashes whenever you try to change resolution or bit depth... So could someone have a poke around new builds of 10.2 and find out whether anything new is there? pweeze... And anything on DVD support for the logic board decoder. I know thats a long shot, but why not hope! Thanks. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

lemon bon bon

Ten 1.5 works fine on my wife's iBook.



Not as snappy on heat as OS 9 though...but still, very useable and much faster than the Beta 2 they put out a while back...



10.2 should be great.



I can't wait for it. I'm gonna go to a Mac show room and try it out on a wide screen iMac...



Lemon Bon Bon



PS. It's a 'Rage' ibook...how I wish it was a Radeon mobility one...still, compared to my former 'POWER'Mac clone...(200mzh, 40mhz bus...) it's a speed demon



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