To help you work remotely, the Mac OS X Mail client lets you connect better with a Microsoft Exchange mail server. Your INBOX can pretend to be an exact duplicate of what?s on your work machine, so you can check your mail, delete a few items, then leave other items for when you?re back in the office.
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I don't think its true Exchange integration. At my job, people who don't want to use Outlook have the option of connecting to email only by LDAP.
Mail.app seem to have this built in, but we still don't have any way to connect to an Exchange server for schedule, etc...except for Outlook in Classic.
Am I the only one here who has meetings, addresses and common Public folders that they need access to? I haven't found a good solution in 10.x to allow me to replace my tired old XP box that is sitting on my desk shoved into the corner acting as an extremely expensive terminal server so I can Remote desktop into it to run my Outlook. (Sorry for the long sentance... I was close to a rant as I was typing it.) I need a Full exchange capable client, the meeting requests I get and accept as well as check for availability of others for meetings is just not possible wirth LDAP access. I think this is M$ way of making our lives a little uncomfortable because if I did have a native 10.x client (I am having problems printing out of the 9 client) I would shut down and store later for a boatanchor my XP box. And I think they realize it is a corporate desktop breaker to leave that functionality out of the picture right now, and keep from confusing the sheep that there might be a better OS out there.
PS - I bought my iBook on June 23rd and although I am not made of cash, I would prefer to pay Stevo and have a strong apple product than get it free ONE LAST TIME... Think about the alternative.
I would love to have completely Exchange-compatible software from Apple - iCal, mail.app, address book, etc.
I'd love to be able to show my IT apes that X does Exchange, and does it better. It's the only way Apple can succeed - retain compatibility, and do it better than MS.
Here's the reality: It is the dream of IT managers all over the world to get rid of Macs. Not just don't support them, or discourage them, but make it organizational policy that you can't use Macs. Standardization on all MS-products is the goal of these people. For some reason it's just in their DNA.
I'm not even dreaming about them using xserve. I'm just thinking about being allowed to use Macs into the near future.
[quote] It is the dream of IT managers all over the world to get rid of Macs. Not just don't support them, or discourage them, but make it organizational policy that you can't use Macs. <hr></blockquote>
Amen brother. You might drive slow as shit, but you definitely see the truth. The IS folks at my company have tried countless times to get a corporate policy against Macs. They have sighted cost and simplicity.
So, I compared the average lease length of a 'Dude get a Dell' vs a Mac. They were nearly the same, but we get to keep the Mac. Right now Im using 10 of these 'relics' as a render farm. I don't know what happened to the old Dells...dude.
Apple needs to realize that Exchange is a corporate fact of life now. We need it and all the features associated with it unfortunately. It is one thing holding some of the Macs here back from using OS X full time. That and Quark. But InDesign can handle that part.
Exactly! Although I'm supposed to be creative 8 hours a day, Outlook is *almost* as important as Photoshop. MS Exchange is what binds a lot of organizations together whether we like it or not.
Want to have some fun (by 'some' I mean 'a lot of', and by 'fun' I mean 'headaches')?
Try to get cisco VPN working with certificate authentication and connecting to the Exchange server with Outlook 2001. On OS X. 'Fun'! (BTW it works surprisingly well if you do everything by the book).
How much of this issue lies in Microsoft's court? That is, how much control do they have over their Exchange protocols? Does Apple have full access to the stuff that will allow full Exchange server parity and integration?
Unknown. Here's what I do know: There is nothing in Jaguar that will allow you to connect to an Exchange server for all the Exchange stuff like calendaring, scheduling, etc. Jobs made a big deal about saying "Mail will allow you to connect to Exchange servers!" Well sure, as long as the Exchange servers are only running IMAP or POP services.
The answer is ultimately, there is no way to connect to Exchange servers in OS X. Our company uses Exchange, and POP and IMAP services aren't used at all. I still have to use the OS 9 Exchange client through Classic, which does actually work, even in Jaguar... but I would kill for an OS X native client, even if it came from MS. As of now, I don't think MS is even planning to make an OS X client, and I have no idea if Apple is legally able to make their own.
The lack of 'complete' exchange support is the only reason I haven't moved my office of iMacs' over to OS X.
Without Outlook 2001 or equivalent, I'm going to be forced to shift to Dell (as per our new interdepartmental IS policy).
It'd be useful to know if something was underway or even planned, but instead we had a MS feeback form and ... nada. Sounds like I wasn't the only one who was hanging out for more exchange details at the keynote.
Exchange is one of those things MS has been using to second-class Mac users. And Linux users. If there was any sort of accessible protocol, there'd be 47 opensource widgets to access it.... so I wouldn't be looking forward to that.
The bulk of business-land is a lost cause for now. The niches where Macs are already present in large numbers, or places that are inherently multiplatform due to unix boxes are where Apple must fit in well.
Alas, Evolution doesn't support Public Folders. I just use the web client for Exchange, but am lobbying for an Exchange client. I think one reason that the client is in limbo is that Exchange is being rewritten(again) but with MS-SQL as the database structure. They have already told developers last year that all their projects would have to be rewritten for the next version due to the backend changes. This would definately tax the MacBU to redo an entire program so soon.
I just got back from MS website and they are delaying the SQL based Exchange server. Instead, the next incremental upgrade is code names "Titanium" and it will connect with devices in a way that "just works". (bastards)
Probably because the migration to Exchange 2000 is going much more slowly than they had hoped due to Active Directory integration, so maybe we will see a native OSX client in the near future...
My work **just*° upgraded to exchange 2000 last month and there are still problems. Sometimes exchange users are bouncing emails to non-exchange users on the same network. We're talking two servers that are in the same room, bouncing emails. When we did the switch there were lots of people losing emails and needing to have backups restored and stuff. You'd think that M$ would be better at allowing people to upgrade their own products without this many problems. heh.
If MS is really smart though, they will make the SQL system transparent so that they don't even have to upgrade Outlook that much to get it to work, but then again MS doesn't want people to NOT upgrade. And then they wonder why so many people just warez their MS Office...
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<a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/jaguar/compatibility.html"; target="_blank">here</a>.
To help you work remotely, the Mac OS X Mail client lets you connect better with a Microsoft Exchange mail server. Your INBOX can pretend to be an exact duplicate of what?s on your work machine, so you can check your mail, delete a few items, then leave other items for when you?re back in the office.
...so maybe we don't need Outlook for OS X?
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Mail.app seem to have this built in, but we still don't have any way to connect to an Exchange server for schedule, etc...except for Outlook in Classic.
PS - I bought my iBook on June 23rd and although I am not made of cash, I would prefer to pay Stevo and have a strong apple product than get it free ONE LAST TIME... Think about the alternative.
I'd love to be able to show my IT apes that X does Exchange, and does it better. It's the only way Apple can succeed - retain compatibility, and do it better than MS.
Here's the reality: It is the dream of IT managers all over the world to get rid of Macs. Not just don't support them, or discourage them, but make it organizational policy that you can't use Macs. Standardization on all MS-products is the goal of these people. For some reason it's just in their DNA.
I'm not even dreaming about them using xserve. I'm just thinking about being allowed to use Macs into the near future.
Amen brother. You might drive slow as shit, but you definitely see the truth. The IS folks at my company have tried countless times to get a corporate policy against Macs. They have sighted cost and simplicity.
So, I compared the average lease length of a 'Dude get a Dell' vs a Mac. They were nearly the same, but we get to keep the Mac. Right now Im using 10 of these 'relics' as a render farm. I don't know what happened to the old Dells...dude.
Try to get cisco VPN working with certificate authentication and connecting to the Exchange server with Outlook 2001. On OS X. 'Fun'! (BTW it works surprisingly well if you do everything by the book).
The answer is ultimately, there is no way to connect to Exchange servers in OS X. Our company uses Exchange, and POP and IMAP services aren't used at all. I still have to use the OS 9 Exchange client through Classic, which does actually work, even in Jaguar... but I would kill for an OS X native client, even if it came from MS. As of now, I don't think MS is even planning to make an OS X client, and I have no idea if Apple is legally able to make their own.
Without Outlook 2001 or equivalent, I'm going to be forced to shift to Dell (as per our new interdepartmental IS policy).
It'd be useful to know if something was underway or even planned, but instead we had a MS feeback form and ... nada. Sounds like I wasn't the only one who was hanging out for more exchange details at the keynote.
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The bulk of business-land is a lost cause for now. The niches where Macs are already present in large numbers, or places that are inherently multiplatform due to unix boxes are where Apple must fit in well.
I just got back from MS website and they are delaying the SQL based Exchange server. Instead, the next incremental upgrade is code names "Titanium" and it will connect with devices in a way that "just works". (bastards)
Probably because the migration to Exchange 2000 is going much more slowly than they had hoped due to Active Directory integration, so maybe we will see a native OSX client in the near future...
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If MS is really smart though, they will make the SQL system transparent so that they don't even have to upgrade Outlook that much to get it to work, but then again MS doesn't want people to NOT upgrade. And then they wonder why so many people just warez their MS Office...
[ 07-24-2002: Message edited by: pyr3 ]</p>