Concern For Apple - G5
I am in deep concern for apple since the MacWorld Expo. I feel that they are really in a bind because of the processor issue. I noticed that this was the first time that there was no speed comparison at the keynote. They have always shown how they were faster.
Apple/IBM has always introduced a new chip about the same time Intel did. For example the G3 came out the same year the PII was introduced (1997) and likewise for the G4 and PIII (1999). However Intel introduced the PIV in 2000 and just recently announced 2.2 Ghz. We are still running on G4 800Mhz announced in July 2001.
Will we see a new processor in the next 3 months? Will we ever see something over 1Ghz? This is something that I know Steve realizes we need, but we really need something under the hood.
Apple compares the 5% computer market share to that of BMW and Mercedes automotive market share. Apple has done a great deal of work on the design of the products and producing a show room for them, but we are getting to a point where we are running the 'BMW and Mercedes' type of machines with Hyundai engine.
Apple/IBM has always introduced a new chip about the same time Intel did. For example the G3 came out the same year the PII was introduced (1997) and likewise for the G4 and PIII (1999). However Intel introduced the PIV in 2000 and just recently announced 2.2 Ghz. We are still running on G4 800Mhz announced in July 2001.
Will we see a new processor in the next 3 months? Will we ever see something over 1Ghz? This is something that I know Steve realizes we need, but we really need something under the hood.
Apple compares the 5% computer market share to that of BMW and Mercedes automotive market share. Apple has done a great deal of work on the design of the products and producing a show room for them, but we are getting to a point where we are running the 'BMW and Mercedes' type of machines with Hyundai engine.
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I really don't think we have to be too concerned. They are obviously going to come out with faster chips soon, and when they come out, they should be at the top of the heap.
Weird.
I think 1.2 1.4 and 1.6 Ghz G5's would be good next month. Then at MWNY they can break 2GHz, by offering 1.6 1.8 and 2Ghz machines.
Now do I expect this to happen. NO. But that's what they need to gain some respect back.
That being a sidenote.
I see teh lack of speed bump and comparison rather as a hint to a soon-to-come speed revolution.
If Steve can deliver a 1.6GHz G5, and if the G5 is really that much faster as some sources told us, then he'll be glad to beat the P4 2.2GHz by a factor of 2 or even more.
Of course that is the more optimistic version, the pessimist would say that Apple is going to be dead by 2003.
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They never speed compare with the iMacs or portables. That's why the lack of bake offs. You will have to wait for the tower's release for the bake offs.
Err no. They are behind. See <a href="http://www.dv.com/magazine/2002/0102/hones_roundup_3_0102.html" target="_blank">here</a> Not significantly but enough to make long time Apple pro users consider switching. I have enough confidence in Apple to believe they have something amazing planned. I don't have the same confidence in Mot.
<strong> I have enough confidence in Apple to believe they have something amazing planned. I don't have the same confidence in Mot.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's the line
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Err no. They are behind. See <a href="http://www.dv.com/magazine/2002/0102/hones_roundup_3_0102.html" target="_blank">here</a> Not significantly but enough to make long time Apple pro users consider switching. I have enough confidence in Apple to believe they have something amazing planned. I don't have the same confidence in Mot.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I saw that article. Not only is that tested on 9, but those PCs don't have FCP. If you are doing video and you don't have enough money for an edit/combustion system you would be a fool not to buy a Mac with FCP. So it ends up being a stupid comparison, considering edit/combusion don't come together on Mac. Plus, the person I work on video with has edit/combustion on a brand new dual PC (I don't remember the speed, but they are both over a ghz) at her work, and it takes just about the same excruciating amount of time to render in combustion as it does on the Mac version we use on my single G4. So that DV article is just about meaningless to me. Not that I'm saying you are wrong. I agree that people in the market right now may avoid macs...
Overall, the G4s are behind, if these benchmarks mean anything:
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/sw_perf/" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/sw_perf/</a>
[quote]Originally posted by super:
[QB]Well i haven't seen a version of combustion for OSX yet.QB]<hr></blockquote>
Actually, Super, combustion is out for osx
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FCP is the reason that Apple can hang onto the video market. It's such a wonderful product IMO. In fact with a voodoo card i can do work at a quality equal to or better than any other system in the world.
Im not leaving the Mac platform as so many others have threatened, i just look foward to exciting announcements sometime in the very near future.
<strong>In terms of production apps, the current machines are not behind anything. Just don't try to brouse the web:
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I really don't think we have to be too concerned. They are obviously going to come out with faster chips soon, and when they come out, they should be at the top of the heap.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That was a slap in the face.
The only category the dual G4@800MHz lead in was Unsharpen Mask. The rest of the machines did every other task about twice as fast if not faster than that. I wonder how the 867 does. I read it was faster in most categorys vs. the 800, but I doubt it can touch the stats that the Athlon @1.52Ghz gets. (thats the Athlon1800 I think)
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The AltiVec unit in the G4 is outstanding, but it can't overcome the huge clock rate disparity that has developed over the past 2 years, nor the memory subsystem difference.
A year ago it may have been valid to talk about the MHz myth, but now the WIntel guys have more than enough MHz and memory advantages to overcome the PowerPC's greater per-clock performance.
I don't like it anymore than the rest of you, but that's the way it is.
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I don't like it anymore than the rest of you, but that's the way it is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey, if you don't like the truth, there's always the news ... does this Dual G4 make me look fat? Be honest ...
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I don't like it anymore than the rest of you, but that's the way it is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
note to programmer ... my little message above is just my way of saying "right-on" 'n such, sorry about any potential crypticism experienced there (new word?)
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The speed thing goes back and forth every few years and if you are deciding on leaving or staying with Macs on a yearly basis based on that, then you really need take some Buddhism classes and chill a bit. Pro shops aren't going to change their entire workflow and os just on the occasional bad Mac processor year.
<strong>we are getting to a point where we are running the 'BMW and Mercedes' type of machines with Hyundai engine.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You say this as though the main separation between Merc and BMW engines and Hundai engines is the speed at which they run. Not true at all. The main difference between these engines are that the high end ones perform better at similar speeds and use advanced technology to achive superior performance. One could argue that the G4 is the BMW of current processors because it is based on a more advanced design and is more powerfull than Pwhatevers at comperable speeds.
considering the amout of brain power that goes into a new intel chip compared to a new motorola I am constantly amazed the G4 is as good as it is.