I really liked the feature when I first saw it, but only because it was neat. It was a feature that I would only use when I was trying to show someone all the cool things that you can do in OS X. I don't know why I'd ever want to do this, unless I wanted to set aside one window so I wouldn't forget which one I was working with. But isn't the dock there to get stuff out of your way, not to get stuff out of your way long enough to put back.. in the way?
<strong>All i know is that there need to be more flashing lights and updating icons in the dock.. I want some hannukah dock program</strong><hr></blockquote>
On a serious note, Apple seem to have gone almost completely overboard in attempting to eliminate desktop clutter (or just the desktop) but they haven't found a way to keep the color schemes in the dock from getting hellishly ugly (this is a real pain in the tushy if you do anything color sensitive and keep the dock up, or just hate looking at that awful purple that MS and Apple's iTunes are both using now).
Thinking along these lines, it seems utterly reasonable that minimize in place gets killed because it totally contradicts the entire metaphor of a dock, which boils down to this, all disorganization (functional or visual) gets off the desktop and is sent to the dock.
Now if only we could have a bit more flexibility and elegance in the dock itself....
Windowshading and minimize in place are two very different things. One was a pretty lame way of dealing with no method to get things out of the way easily and the other is an iconified version of the window anywhere on your desktop. It would zoom in and out like folder opening. Very cool, but pretty problematic in its own way (like, Where do they go on your screen?)
As many of you here know, there's a package floating around which installs Minimize-in-Place in your OSX. I have used it in the four latest versions with NO instability or problems.
I use Windowshading too since it offers slightly different options. MiP is floating, giving access all the time, and its combination of application emblem and size/content clues when MiP'ed makes it a cinch to distinguish between different windows. Windowshading, on the other hand, is non-floating and it indicates the true windowlength and -position directly.
Neither of these are dispensable in my work pattern - but the MiP concept could easily be improved and extended, combining it with the "piles" concept and the metadata possibilities...
engpjp
You really need to work with MiP in order to appreciate its potential - same as with tabbed windows...
Yup I bet/hope they're working on integrating it into Panther. It's one of those little things that makes Macs so damn cool. Like my PC friend yesterday said who I have talked in to getting a 12" PB, "How come Macs are so cool?" This is why.
As many of you here know, there's a package floating around which installs Minimize-in-Place in your OSX. I have used it in the four latest versions with NO instability or problems.
Another problem with the old pirated version of the Dock.app (that's all it is, really) is that the hot keys such as H and Q do not work when tabbing through apps. Are you saying that this is not broken in your version?
Think of it as "minimize back into a pile" rather than just MiP.
It's not "...into a pile" - we are talking about a single window (or information box, or file selector in some cases). Piles are something very different - an organizational method that will fit very well into the work process of those of us that use the Desktop space a lot for temporary storage, file download before expansion, and sorting - others will find Piles of no use, just as some people don't need either of MiP or Windowshading.
No, my MiP has NOT broken the keyboard shortcuts; as I wrote, I have found NO problems with stability or bugs at all.
What is MiP? When I click the yellow widget, the window zooms into a miniature replica of itself - with correct relative dimensions and indicating its content - and with an emblem (a smaller icon at the lower right corner) of the application it is connected to. The miniature window is floating, and when you click on it it resizes back to its previous size and position. The first time you hit the yellow widget after a restart, it becomes a miniature positioned at the upper left corner position of the original window. You can then position the miniature and the window wherever you want - and then the window will zoom into the miniature's position and vice versa.
Oh, and if you want to send the window to the Dock, you just hold down Alt while clicking on the widget.
As I said, a very useful addition - but it could be refined further (for instance, it ought to be able to remember its position after a restart)...
You install it by doubleclicking on the .pkg file, and bob's-yer-uncle!
No, my MiP has NOT broken the keyboard shortcuts; as I wrote, I have found NO problems with stability or bugs at all.
Really? So you can still option-click and command-option-click items on the Dock to hide? If so, I'm intrigued.
That was the deal-breaker for me.
I liked MiP, but it didn't seem quite finished. Those little windoids sure can get in the way -- they were just crying out, IMO, for a some kind of structure or system to help manage them...
I liked MiP, but it didn't seem quite finished. Those little windoids sure can get in the way -- they were just crying out, IMO, for a some kind of structure or system to help manage them...
That's because it wasn't finished, and was taken out.
my option clicking does not work with MiP... what package do you have? mind sending it over?
Im in on that one, option-clicking doesnt work for me!
And futher on, I need to hold down control when I click the yellow widget to get the windows to MiP. Otherwise they just flies down into the dock as usual!?
Im in on that one, option-clicking doesnt work for me!
And futher on, I need to hold down control when I click the yellow widget to get the windows to MiP. Otherwise they just flies down into the dock as usual!?
you can change that setting in the dock preferences...
my option clicking does not work with MiP... what package do you have? mind sending it over?
Edit: nor does H and Q as hotkeys... this would be very useful i think... maybe I should go back..
Time to eat crow here... :-( I don't use the Opt- and Cmd/Opt- click in my workflow so I haven't been aware of this, but these two functions are disabled for SOME programs - I have not yet found out why that is....
So some functionality is broken with MiP; on the other hand, the OS is still stable and I do prefer "windoids" (a neologism?) to the normal "dockie-growing" of Cmd-M.
So some functionality is broken with MiP; on the other hand, the OS is still stable and I do prefer "windoids" (a neologism?) to the normal "dockie-growing" of Cmd-M.
engpjp
I have found this to be true as well, but I also keep the dock hidden now and before I didnt... so that makes a difference and lately I turned off the MIP feature to see if I could live without it... it hasnt been a big deal at all... CMD-H and CMD-Q (in combination with CMD-tab) would come in REALLY handy sometimes too\
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<strong>All i know is that there need to be more flashing lights and updating icons in the dock.. I want some hannukah dock program</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
On a serious note, Apple seem to have gone almost completely overboard in attempting to eliminate desktop clutter (or just the desktop) but they haven't found a way to keep the color schemes in the dock from getting hellishly ugly (this is a real pain in the tushy if you do anything color sensitive and keep the dock up, or just hate looking at that awful purple that MS and Apple's iTunes are both using now).
Thinking along these lines, it seems utterly reasonable that minimize in place gets killed because it totally contradicts the entire metaphor of a dock, which boils down to this, all disorganization (functional or visual) gets off the desktop and is sent to the dock.
Now if only we could have a bit more flexibility and elegance in the dock itself....
but I digress...
solfege
Originally posted by torifile
Windowshading and minimize in place are two very different things. One was a pretty lame way of dealing with no method to get things out of the way easily and the other is an iconified version of the window anywhere on your desktop. It would zoom in and out like folder opening. Very cool, but pretty problematic in its own way (like, Where do they go on your screen?)
As many of you here know, there's a package floating around which installs Minimize-in-Place in your OSX. I have used it in the four latest versions with NO instability or problems.
I use Windowshading too since it offers slightly different options. MiP is floating, giving access all the time, and its combination of application emblem and size/content clues when MiP'ed makes it a cinch to distinguish between different windows. Windowshading, on the other hand, is non-floating and it indicates the true windowlength and -position directly.
Neither of these are dispensable in my work pattern - but the MiP concept could easily be improved and extended, combining it with the "piles" concept and the metadata possibilities...
engpjp
You really need to work with MiP in order to appreciate its potential - same as with tabbed windows...
Originally posted by engpjp
As many of you here know, there's a package floating around which installs Minimize-in-Place in your OSX. I have used it in the four latest versions with NO instability or problems.
Another problem with the old pirated version of the Dock.app (that's all it is, really) is that the hot keys such as H and Q do not work when tabbing through apps. Are you saying that this is not broken in your version?
Originally posted by Placebo
What is minimize in place?
MiP
Originally posted by Panther
Think of it as "minimize back into a pile" rather than just MiP.
It's not "...into a pile" - we are talking about a single window (or information box, or file selector in some cases). Piles are something very different - an organizational method that will fit very well into the work process of those of us that use the Desktop space a lot for temporary storage, file download before expansion, and sorting - others will find Piles of no use, just as some people don't need either of MiP or Windowshading.
No, my MiP has NOT broken the keyboard shortcuts; as I wrote, I have found NO problems with stability or bugs at all.
What is MiP? When I click the yellow widget, the window zooms into a miniature replica of itself - with correct relative dimensions and indicating its content - and with an emblem (a smaller icon at the lower right corner) of the application it is connected to. The miniature window is floating, and when you click on it it resizes back to its previous size and position. The first time you hit the yellow widget after a restart, it becomes a miniature positioned at the upper left corner position of the original window. You can then position the miniature and the window wherever you want - and then the window will zoom into the miniature's position and vice versa.
Oh, and if you want to send the window to the Dock, you just hold down Alt while clicking on the widget.
As I said, a very useful addition - but it could be refined further (for instance, it ought to be able to remember its position after a restart)...
You install it by doubleclicking on the .pkg file, and bob's-yer-uncle!
engpjp
Originally posted by engpjp
No, my MiP has NOT broken the keyboard shortcuts; as I wrote, I have found NO problems with stability or bugs at all.
Really? So you can still option-click and command-option-click items on the Dock to hide? If so, I'm intrigued.
That was the deal-breaker for me.
I liked MiP, but it didn't seem quite finished. Those little windoids sure can get in the way -- they were just crying out, IMO, for a some kind of structure or system to help manage them...
Originally posted by engpjp
No, my MiP has NOT broken the keyboard shortcuts; as I wrote, I have found NO problems with stability or bugs at all.
my option clicking does not work with MiP... what package do you have? mind sending it over?
Edit: nor does H and Q as hotkeys... this would be very useful i think... maybe I should go back..
Originally posted by Hobbes
I liked MiP, but it didn't seem quite finished. Those little windoids sure can get in the way -- they were just crying out, IMO, for a some kind of structure or system to help manage them...
That's because it wasn't finished, and was taken out.
Originally posted by Paul
my option clicking does not work with MiP... what package do you have? mind sending it over?
Im in on that one, option-clicking doesnt work for me!
And futher on, I need to hold down control when I click the yellow widget to get the windows to MiP. Otherwise they just flies down into the dock as usual!?
Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch
Im in on that one, option-clicking doesnt work for me!
And futher on, I need to hold down control when I click the yellow widget to get the windows to MiP. Otherwise they just flies down into the dock as usual!?
you can change that setting in the dock preferences...
Originally posted by Paul
my option clicking does not work with MiP... what package do you have? mind sending it over?
Edit: nor does H and Q as hotkeys... this would be very useful i think... maybe I should go back..
Time to eat crow here... :-( I don't use the Opt- and Cmd/Opt- click in my workflow so I haven't been aware of this, but these two functions are disabled for SOME programs - I have not yet found out why that is....
So some functionality is broken with MiP; on the other hand, the OS is still stable and I do prefer "windoids" (a neologism?) to the normal "dockie-growing" of Cmd-M.
engpjp
Originally posted by engpjp
So some functionality is broken with MiP; on the other hand, the OS is still stable and I do prefer "windoids" (a neologism?) to the normal "dockie-growing" of Cmd-M.
engpjp
I have found this to be true as well, but I also keep the dock hidden now and before I didnt... so that makes a difference and lately I turned off the MIP feature to see if I could live without it... it hasnt been a big deal at all... CMD-H and CMD-Q (in combination with CMD-tab) would come in REALLY handy sometimes too
Originally posted by Paul
you can change that setting in the dock preferences...
ThxX! Havent been in the Dock Preferences since 10.2 came out.. Maybe thats why!