LOL with each passing day this is less of an Apple fan forum or hardcore Apple user forum, to more of a mixed Apple and PC user discussion forum. Heh.
Nevertheless it's an interesting find. I wish Dell would get on and release the thing already though. They are trying to create hype with this 'tease, and tease some more' tactic, but they are just annoying people.
Nevertheless it's an interesting find. I wish Dell would get on and release the thing already though. They are trying to create hype with this 'tease, and tease some more' tactic, but they are just annoying people.
Business 101! It's got people in here talking about it...
Seeing as how the unibody MacBooks are shipping products while the Dell is still in development, the answer to that question would seem to be obvious.
It's not obvious at all. Would you also say it was obvious that Apple invented multi-touch? For all we know it could just be a generic laptop manufacturer that designed the unibody, and Apple happens to be the first to market with it.
... For all we know it could just be a generic laptop manufacturer that designed the unibody, and Apple happens to be the first to market with it.
If I thought you were serious, then I would write several paragraphs explaining why your scenario is less likely than the USA outsourcing its new army tank to an Iranian company.
Apple did not invent machining from a block of aluminum, the same way it did not invent multi-touch.
Apple is not sharing its manufacturing processes with competitors, the same way Apple is not sharing its implementation of multi-touch with competitors.
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It's not obvious at all. Would you also say it was obvious that Apple invented multi-touch? For all we know it could just be a generic laptop manufacturer that designed the unibody, and Apple happens to be the first to market with it.
If I thought you were serious, then I would write several paragraphs explaining why your scenario is less likely than the USA outsourcing its new army tank to an Iranian company.
Well, I'm definitely very serious, and I'd love to hear your reasons. AFAIK, the only thing Apple actually makes in house is their software; the hardware is all produced by 3rd party companies. So how can you say with any certainty that it was Apple who designed the unibody laptop?
Well, I'm definitely very serious, and I'd love to hear your reasons. AFAIK, the only thing Apple actually makes in house is their software; the hardware is all produced by 3rd party companies. So how can you say with any certainty that it was Apple who designed the unibody laptop?
Because they have a hardware division that does that sort of stuff? Nah...too easy an answer...never heard of Jonathan Ive?
Because they have a hardware division that does that sort of stuff? Nah...too easy an answer...never heard of Jonathan Ive?
So even if the 3rd party company came to Apple and said 'hey, we've developed a way that we can make a laptop body out of a solid piece of metal, are you interested?', this would still somehow be Apple inventing it? Having a hardware division has absolutely nothing to do with whether you invented something or not - you still need to figure out how all of the various parts fit together regardless of whether you invented the thing in question or not. There is probably no one in this forum who can say with any substance whether Apple truly invented the unibody laptop or not. And before ANYONE even dares to suggest that my argument is that Apple did not invent the unibody, I have not once said that, I have simply said that you cannot say for any certainty who did.
So even if the 3rd party company came to Apple and said 'hey, we've developed a way that we can make a laptop body out of a solid piece of metal, are you interested?', this would still somehow be Apple inventing it? ...
Weasel words aside, you seem to have absolutely no idea how Apple or most other companies work. The scenario that you present is a lawsuit waiting to happen and a huge lawsuit at that. Consider what would happen if Apple accepted the proposal and it turned out to be a success. The designer would then come back on Apple with the claim that it had been defrauded by Apple's lowball offer. If Apple designed and manufactured its laptops without this company's help, they can claim that Apple stole their idea. No one has ever accused Apple of having bad lawyers. Good lawyers would never permit your scenario to happen.
Weasel words aside, you seem to have absolutely no idea how Apple or most other companies work. The scenario that you present is a lawsuit waiting to happen and a huge lawsuit at that. Consider what would happen if Apple accepted the proposal and it turned out to be a success. The designer would then come back on Apple with the claim that it had been defrauded by Apple's lowball offer. If Apple designed and manufactured its laptops without this company's help, they can claim that Apple stole their idea. No one has ever accused Apple of having bad lawyers. Good lawyers would never permit your scenario to happen.
You can attempt to discredit me as much as you like, but you are yet to come up with any solid evidence that shows WHO invented the unibody laptop. Until you do that, everything else is moot and my point stands.
Going back to what Mr. Me stated. The fact that Apple is shipping unibody notebooks now and Dell will be shipping them at some unknown point in the future.
We know Apple had to have been working on this process long before we ever heard about it. Dell is more than likely working on getting the manufacturing process perfected, which is why they have no specific shipping date.
Dell and Apple have never shared manufacturing lines, why do you think they would start now?
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Originally Posted by mrochester
You can attempt to discredit me as much as you like, but you are yet to come up with any solid evidence that shows WHO invented the unibody laptop. Until you do that, everything else is moot and my point stands.
So even if the 3rd party company came to Apple and said 'hey, we've developed a way that we can make a laptop body out of a solid piece of metal, are you interested?', this would still somehow be Apple inventing it? Having a hardware division has absolutely nothing to do with whether you invented something or not - you still need to figure out how all of the various parts fit together regardless of whether you invented the thing in question or not. There is probably no one in this forum who can say with any substance whether Apple truly invented the unibody laptop or not. And before ANYONE even dares to suggest that my argument is that Apple did not invent the unibody, I have not once said that, I have simply said that you cannot say for any certainty who did.
In your post you said "designed". It is certain that Apple designed the MB and MBP.
Invented the machining process? No. There are ruggedized laptops milled out of aluminium. Just google "ruggedize notebook milled aluminum" and you'll find them. Somewhere I have a ruggedized tablet that might be one of those. Folks have been making them for years. As mil-spec, ruggedized beasties anyway.
It's not that hard to mill a laptop case out of aluminium. It's hard to make it cost effective enough to bother with on a consumer laptop. That's what Apple has done and likely what Dell is trying to replicate. Still, it's probably just a function of sales volume. By making all their laptops milled aluminum they'd have invested quite a bit for the machining to do all that in someone's factory. That factory isn't available to Dell.
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LOL with each passing day this is less of an Apple fan forum or hardcore Apple user forum, to more of a mixed Apple and PC user discussion forum. Heh.
Nevertheless it's an interesting find. I wish Dell would get on and release the thing already though. They are trying to create hype with this 'tease, and tease some more' tactic, but they are just annoying people.
Nevertheless it's an interesting find. I wish Dell would get on and release the thing already though. They are trying to create hype with this 'tease, and tease some more' tactic, but they are just annoying people.
Business 101! It's got people in here talking about it...
Well I do have both, and seeing the video just made me wonder whether the Unibody concept originated within Apple or else the lappie manufacturer.
Seeing as how the unibody MacBooks are shipping products while the Dell is still in development, the answer to that question would seem to be obvious.
Business 101! It's got people in here talking about it...
Talking and buying aren't the same thing. They aren't even selling.
Seeing as how the unibody MacBooks are shipping products while the Dell is still in development, the answer to that question would seem to be obvious.
It's not obvious at all. Would you also say it was obvious that Apple invented multi-touch? For all we know it could just be a generic laptop manufacturer that designed the unibody, and Apple happens to be the first to market with it.
... For all we know it could just be a generic laptop manufacturer that designed the unibody, and Apple happens to be the first to market with it.
If I thought you were serious, then I would write several paragraphs explaining why your scenario is less likely than the USA outsourcing its new army tank to an Iranian company.
That's a beautiful laptop.
Yeah, my hat's off to Dell on the design. It's pretty, tight, and more to the point it's not a clean rip of Apple's design language.
I would be interested to see one in person, particularly if it wasn't being held by an anorexic in an outrageous hat.
Apple is not sharing its manufacturing processes with competitors, the same way Apple is not sharing its implementation of multi-touch with competitors.
It's not obvious at all. Would you also say it was obvious that Apple invented multi-touch? For all we know it could just be a generic laptop manufacturer that designed the unibody, and Apple happens to be the first to market with it.
If I thought you were serious, then I would write several paragraphs explaining why your scenario is less likely than the USA outsourcing its new army tank to an Iranian company.
Well, I'm definitely very serious, and I'd love to hear your reasons. AFAIK, the only thing Apple actually makes in house is their software; the hardware is all produced by 3rd party companies. So how can you say with any certainty that it was Apple who designed the unibody laptop?
Well, I'm definitely very serious, and I'd love to hear your reasons. AFAIK, the only thing Apple actually makes in house is their software; the hardware is all produced by 3rd party companies. So how can you say with any certainty that it was Apple who designed the unibody laptop?
Because they have a hardware division that does that sort of stuff? Nah...too easy an answer...never heard of Jonathan Ive?
Because they have a hardware division that does that sort of stuff? Nah...too easy an answer...never heard of Jonathan Ive?
So even if the 3rd party company came to Apple and said 'hey, we've developed a way that we can make a laptop body out of a solid piece of metal, are you interested?', this would still somehow be Apple inventing it? Having a hardware division has absolutely nothing to do with whether you invented something or not - you still need to figure out how all of the various parts fit together regardless of whether you invented the thing in question or not. There is probably no one in this forum who can say with any substance whether Apple truly invented the unibody laptop or not. And before ANYONE even dares to suggest that my argument is that Apple did not invent the unibody, I have not once said that, I have simply said that you cannot say for any certainty who did.
So even if the 3rd party company came to Apple and said 'hey, we've developed a way that we can make a laptop body out of a solid piece of metal, are you interested?', this would still somehow be Apple inventing it? ...
Weasel words aside, you seem to have absolutely no idea how Apple or most other companies work. The scenario that you present is a lawsuit waiting to happen and a huge lawsuit at that. Consider what would happen if Apple accepted the proposal and it turned out to be a success. The designer would then come back on Apple with the claim that it had been defrauded by Apple's lowball offer. If Apple designed and manufactured its laptops without this company's help, they can claim that Apple stole their idea. No one has ever accused Apple of having bad lawyers. Good lawyers would never permit your scenario to happen.
Weasel words aside, you seem to have absolutely no idea how Apple or most other companies work. The scenario that you present is a lawsuit waiting to happen and a huge lawsuit at that. Consider what would happen if Apple accepted the proposal and it turned out to be a success. The designer would then come back on Apple with the claim that it had been defrauded by Apple's lowball offer. If Apple designed and manufactured its laptops without this company's help, they can claim that Apple stole their idea. No one has ever accused Apple of having bad lawyers. Good lawyers would never permit your scenario to happen.
You can attempt to discredit me as much as you like, but you are yet to come up with any solid evidence that shows WHO invented the unibody laptop. Until you do that, everything else is moot and my point stands.
We know Apple had to have been working on this process long before we ever heard about it. Dell is more than likely working on getting the manufacturing process perfected, which is why they have no specific shipping date.
Dell and Apple have never shared manufacturing lines, why do you think they would start now?
You can attempt to discredit me as much as you like, but you are yet to come up with any solid evidence that shows WHO invented the unibody laptop. Until you do that, everything else is moot and my point stands.
So even if the 3rd party company came to Apple and said 'hey, we've developed a way that we can make a laptop body out of a solid piece of metal, are you interested?', this would still somehow be Apple inventing it? Having a hardware division has absolutely nothing to do with whether you invented something or not - you still need to figure out how all of the various parts fit together regardless of whether you invented the thing in question or not. There is probably no one in this forum who can say with any substance whether Apple truly invented the unibody laptop or not. And before ANYONE even dares to suggest that my argument is that Apple did not invent the unibody, I have not once said that, I have simply said that you cannot say for any certainty who did.
In your post you said "designed". It is certain that Apple designed the MB and MBP.
Invented the machining process? No. There are ruggedized laptops milled out of aluminium. Just google "ruggedize notebook milled aluminum" and you'll find them. Somewhere I have a ruggedized tablet that might be one of those. Folks have been making them for years. As mil-spec, ruggedized beasties anyway.
It's not that hard to mill a laptop case out of aluminium. It's hard to make it cost effective enough to bother with on a consumer laptop. That's what Apple has done and likely what Dell is trying to replicate. Still, it's probably just a function of sales volume. By making all their laptops milled aluminum they'd have invested quite a bit for the machining to do all that in someone's factory. That factory isn't available to Dell.