I'm not sure why you are so bent out of shape about this. You are free to believe it or not. Yes I agree with you, few people will have 100 apps purchased from the App Store, so no that 100 wasn't apps from the store, the survey was asking about everything you use on your iPhone.
No I cannot find the survey. Putting anything about the iPhone into Google yields thousands of articles and its difficult to find any one article.
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Originally Posted by cameronj
Right, you didn't make it up, you "saw it somewhere" which you can't seem to find anymore. Oh and the number happens to be almost an order of magnitude out of the realm of possibility.
Jesus, just give up. Your 100 number clearly didn't come from anywhere. What makes you think that iPhones have more apps installed (that's what we were talking about, not "icons on the phone, which the average user CLEARLY has 80 of compared to their 20 apps) than iPod touches?
Just give it up, admit that you remembered it wrong. That's obviously the case. When presented with overwhelming evidence, to continue to deny just makes you look like you can't process information.
Cool, thanks for the link. I?m glad Palm went this route as it shows they are quite serious about the longevity of the WebOS in the marketplace as they could have just had they background Widgets as their marketing tool and worried about a PN server later on if the Pre is successful.
It also shows that not all apps need to be running in the background and that there will be a performance hit every time you keep an app live in the background connected to the internet. This performance hit will affect the battery; I don?t understand why some people say that it wouldn?t. The question shouldn?t be ?will it?? but rather ?how much?? If your background app only takes 5% off your time without background apps running then it may be worthwhile to run in the background.
i expect Apple to introduce background apps for the new iPhones, but if they do it today they will look like they are playing catch up to Palm. I don?t think Apple?s hubris will allow them to do that with out first explaining that previous iPhones don?t have the power to run background apps. But then people will state that x-phone could background apps since x-year, without considering OS X?s resource take. Apple can?t possibly cover all those bases at the Keynote. It is filled with developers but they are mostly doing it for the internet and news audience for marketing.
It isn't true that few people use web apps. Even though the App Store gets all the hype, I'd wager there are far more web based services available than their are native apps. Web based services are more ubiquitous and easier to produce and distribute. Google only provides a couple of native apps, the majority of its services are all web based. Most all large web services provide a web based service as well as a native.
Web based apps and services I have on my phone are the New York Times, National Public Radio, Los Angeles Times, Google News, GMail, ESPN, CNN, Flickr, Google Docs, Time Magazine, The Huffington Post, AOL TV, Google Translator. To name a few there are thousands of others.
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First, nonsense. Very few people use web apps. Very few developers still work on web app.s
Second, most apps stayed on the phone for less than 24 hours. (Study done by Pinch Media)
I am a developer. I have 9 pages of apps. However, I use 4 to 5 third party apps per day the max.
Palm can't afford to have its 1st gen device full of issues. It's not really in a position to fix things the second time around. Although it obviously depends on how well this 1st gen product does, regardless of issues.
Can you guess which line was for the iPhone and which one for the Pre? hehe
If Apple sold that much iPhone the news media would call it a massive failure. It's obvious that Palm shorted the supply to try and generate a perceived illusion of a sellout. The sugar coating of the media for the Palm Pre is on borderline ridiculous.
If Apple sold that much iPhone the news media would call it a massive failure. It's obvious that Palm shorted the supply to try and generate a perceived illusion of a sellout. The sugar coating of the media for the Palm Pre is on borderline ridiculous.
As I recall, they did do exactly that. Many pundits and analysts made up a 1 million unit figure for the first weekend. When this wasn't achieved they lambasted Apple for not making their goal.
As I recall, they did do exactly that. Many pundits and analysts made up a 1 million unit figure for the first weekend. When this wasn't achieved they lambasted Apple for not making their goal.
No, your way off. More like 500,000 - 700,000 weekend sales.
battery dismal--he says he can watch as the battery goes down.
if battery has less than 20% life, even if plugged in (car, home etc) PHONE WONT WORK (that has to be some design flaw, or software mess, but why, your phone is useless at low battery)
he told me "i'm not spending 50 bucks on a second battery, when i change it, all data lost"
Constantly turning on an off a radio isn't an elegant solution. That's five taps on each startup and shut down that shouldn't be necessary in my opinion. Shouldn't the device do that kind of power management on its own?
It helps to "know your enemy", and a few of your statements show that you don't. Nokia uses Webkit. It only took me a minute to find that and to find that it has a compass. They do offer touch capability now, though that probably depends on the model.
I don't know how iPhone's applications are necessarily desktop class, they're nifty, but desktop class is overselling it. Maybe better than most other portable platforms. Maybe some iPhone apps are on the level of a relatively simple desktop applet, but most are of the complexity of a Dashboard widget. For example, there are a few very simple word processors, but nothing on the scale of Pages that I've seen, more like TextEdit at best.
Regardless of the amount predicted, it was still lower than the sales which led to claiming that The iPhone was a flop.
Okay then if the Pre sold (predicted number) of 50k and the iPhone 1st generation sold 150k, and you claim that its a flop. Then the 50K predicted sales of the Pre is a "MASSIVE FAILURE".
Okay then if the Pre sold (predicted number) of 50k and the iPhone 1st generation sold 150k, and you claim that its a flop. Then the 50K predicted sales of the Pre is a "MASSIVE FAILURE".
I don?t claim it was a flop, I am saying that other claimed it was a flop for not meeting their own expectations. I am quite certain that they will claim the Pre was an all around success.
Considering the pre is about a year newer than the latest shipping iPhone, shouldn't it be expected that the design would be more advanced and optimized? Seems like a comparison to the new iPhone expected to be announced today and shipping soon would be a more meaningful comparison?
Considering the pre is about a year newer than the latest shipping iPhone, shouldn't it be expected that the design would be more advanced and optimized? Seems like a comparison to the new iPhone expected to be announced today and shipping soon would be a more meaningful comparison?
The CPU and RAM have remained the same for 2 years now.
battery dismal--he says he can watch as the battery goes down.
if battery has less than 20% life, even if plugged in (car, home etc) PHONE WONT WORK (that has to be some design flaw, or software mess, but why, your phone is useless at low battery)
he told me "i'm not spending 50 bucks on a second battery, when i change it, all data lost"
no video
no voice dialing
rut-row, palm has a big problem.
I think you are jumping to conclusions. I've heard good reports of battery life as well as bad. I also heard there is a bug that kills the battery life.. I think we'll find out the truth in the coming weeks...
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No I cannot find the survey. Putting anything about the iPhone into Google yields thousands of articles and its difficult to find any one article.
Right, you didn't make it up, you "saw it somewhere" which you can't seem to find anymore. Oh and the number happens to be almost an order of magnitude out of the realm of possibility.
Jesus, just give up. Your 100 number clearly didn't come from anywhere. What makes you think that iPhones have more apps installed (that's what we were talking about, not "icons on the phone, which the average user CLEARLY has 80 of compared to their 20 apps) than iPod touches?
Just give it up, admit that you remembered it wrong. That's obviously the case. When presented with overwhelming evidence, to continue to deny just makes you look like you can't process information.
The Pre's push notification seems pretty sophisticated. It's called the mojo messaging service. Here's a link on it:
http://www.precentral.net/palm-introduce-push-services
Cool, thanks for the link. I?m glad Palm went this route as it shows they are quite serious about the longevity of the WebOS in the marketplace as they could have just had they background Widgets as their marketing tool and worried about a PN server later on if the Pre is successful.
It also shows that not all apps need to be running in the background and that there will be a performance hit every time you keep an app live in the background connected to the internet. This performance hit will affect the battery; I don?t understand why some people say that it wouldn?t. The question shouldn?t be ?will it?? but rather ?how much?? If your background app only takes 5% off your time without background apps running then it may be worthwhile to run in the background.
i expect Apple to introduce background apps for the new iPhones, but if they do it today they will look like they are playing catch up to Palm. I don?t think Apple?s hubris will allow them to do that with out first explaining that previous iPhones don?t have the power to run background apps. But then people will state that x-phone could background apps since x-year, without considering OS X?s resource take. Apple can?t possibly cover all those bases at the Keynote. It is filled with developers but they are mostly doing it for the internet and news audience for marketing.
Web based apps and services I have on my phone are the New York Times, National Public Radio, Los Angeles Times, Google News, GMail, ESPN, CNN, Flickr, Google Docs, Time Magazine, The Huffington Post, AOL TV, Google Translator. To name a few there are thousands of others.
First, nonsense. Very few people use web apps. Very few developers still work on web app.s
Second, most apps stayed on the phone for less than 24 hours. (Study done by Pinch Media)
I am a developer. I have 9 pages of apps. However, I use 4 to 5 third party apps per day the max.
The Pre's push notification seems pretty sophisticated. It's called the mojo messaging service. Here's a link on it:
http://www.precentral.net/palm-introduce-push-services
And already . . .
Palm can't afford to have its 1st gen device full of issues. It's not really in a position to fix things the second time around. Although it obviously depends on how well this 1st gen product does, regardless of issues.
Palm sells 50k Pres opening weekend. Good for Palm. Can you guess which line was for the iPhone and which one for the Pre? hehe
If Apple sold that much iPhone the news media would call it a massive failure. It's obvious that Palm shorted the supply to try and generate a perceived illusion of a sellout. The sugar coating of the media for the Palm Pre is on borderline ridiculous.
If Apple sold that much iPhone the news media would call it a massive failure. It's obvious that Palm shorted the supply to try and generate a perceived illusion of a sellout. The sugar coating of the media for the Palm Pre is on borderline ridiculous.
As I recall, they did do exactly that. Many pundits and analysts made up a 1 million unit figure for the first weekend. When this wasn't achieved they lambasted Apple for not making their goal.
And I'm not trying to defend the PRE.
But you seem to be trying to promote the PRE. Some of your posts sound a little like the Palm Pre/Sprint manual.
As I recall, they did do exactly that. Many pundits and analysts made up a 1 million unit figure for the first weekend. When this wasn't achieved they lambasted Apple for not making their goal.
No, your way off. More like 500,000 - 700,000 weekend sales.
Note: First generation iPhone.
No, your way off. More like 500,000 - 700,000 weekend sales.
Note: First generation iPhone.
Regardless of the amount predicted, it was still lower than the sales which led to claiming that The iPhone was a flop.
why
battery dismal--he says he can watch as the battery goes down.
if battery has less than 20% life, even if plugged in (car, home etc) PHONE WONT WORK (that has to be some design flaw, or software mess, but why, your phone is useless at low battery)
he told me "i'm not spending 50 bucks on a second battery, when i change it, all data lost"
no video
no voice dialing
rut-row, palm has a big problem.
Constantly turning on an off a radio isn't an elegant solution. That's five taps on each startup and shut down that shouldn't be necessary in my opinion. Shouldn't the device do that kind of power management on its own?
It helps to "know your enemy", and a few of your statements show that you don't. Nokia uses Webkit. It only took me a minute to find that and to find that it has a compass. They do offer touch capability now, though that probably depends on the model.
I don't know how iPhone's applications are necessarily desktop class, they're nifty, but desktop class is overselling it. Maybe better than most other portable platforms. Maybe some iPhone apps are on the level of a relatively simple desktop applet, but most are of the complexity of a Dashboard widget. For example, there are a few very simple word processors, but nothing on the scale of Pages that I've seen, more like TextEdit at best.
Desktop class =
SimCity
Monopoly
BeatMaker
ColorSplash
claiming that The iPhone was a flop.
Hehe, and how things changed, eh?
Regardless of the amount predicted, it was still lower than the sales which led to claiming that The iPhone was a flop.
Okay then if the Pre sold (predicted number) of 50k and the iPhone 1st generation sold 150k, and you claim that its a flop. Then the 50K predicted sales of the Pre is a "MASSIVE FAILURE".
But you seem to be trying to promote the PRE. Some of your posts sound a little like the Palm Pre/Sprint manual.
Perhaps - I like it a lot but am aware of it's current issues: questionable battery life being on the top of the list...
Okay then if the Pre sold (predicted number) of 50k and the iPhone 1st generation sold 150k, and you claim that its a flop. Then the 50K predicted sales of the Pre is a "MASSIVE FAILURE".
I don?t claim it was a flop, I am saying that other claimed it was a flop for not meeting their own expectations. I am quite certain that they will claim the Pre was an all around success.
Considering the pre is about a year newer than the latest shipping iPhone, shouldn't it be expected that the design would be more advanced and optimized? Seems like a comparison to the new iPhone expected to be announced today and shipping soon would be a more meaningful comparison?
The CPU and RAM have remained the same for 2 years now.
AND RETURNED IT YESTERDAY
why
battery dismal--he says he can watch as the battery goes down.
if battery has less than 20% life, even if plugged in (car, home etc) PHONE WONT WORK (that has to be some design flaw, or software mess, but why, your phone is useless at low battery)
he told me "i'm not spending 50 bucks on a second battery, when i change it, all data lost"
no video
no voice dialing
rut-row, palm has a big problem.
I think you are jumping to conclusions. I've heard good reports of battery life as well as bad. I also heard there is a bug that kills the battery life.. I think we'll find out the truth in the coming weeks...