Apple has Psystar's lawsuit stay lifted; Palm Pre unhurt by iPhone

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  • Reply 61 of 94
    Sprint and Palm Pre both su*k.
  • Reply 62 of 94
    bigmc6000bigmc6000 Posts: 767member
    If you have problems typing with your thumbs you should try holding it so your thumbs are coming from the side of the phone rather than the bottom (thus moving the "tap zone" from the large pad of your thumb to the edge of the pad of your thumb).
  • Reply 63 of 94
    mac voyermac voyer Posts: 1,294member
    This whole Palm story is an excellent example of spin. If the Pre's numbers are so great, Palm would be shouting them from the rooftops. The fact that these comparatively small sales figures represent the best that Sprint or Palm have ever done is a bad sign in this day and age. Palm made a real mistake by pitting their device against the iPhone. They should have pitted themselves against the G1. Against that, they would look quite successful. If life for Sprint and Palm means being competitive with the iPhone, then both companies are dead.
  • Reply 64 of 94
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mac Voyer View Post


    This whole Palm story is an excellent example of spin. If the Pre's numbers are so great, Palm would be shouting them from the rooftops. The fact that these comparatively small sales figures represent the best that Sprint or Palm have ever done is a bad sign in this day and age. Palm made a real mistake by pitting their device against the iPhone. They should have pitted themselves against the G1. Against that, they would look quite successful. If life for Sprint and Palm means being competitive with the iPhone, then both companies are dead.



    Interesting point. I think Palm might have been afflicted with the "iPod Killer" curse. The unlucky recipient of that title usually ends up doing the exact opposite.



    What will really tell the tale is Palm's dvelopment cycle, how their "app store" can attract developers (mostly away from the iPhone), and whether they can be th "first" in implementing something truly interesting (or completely redefining a design paradigm) vis-a-vis the iPhone.
  • Reply 65 of 94
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Palm Pre sales are a joke. 1100 stores selling up to 100,000 is a joke.



    What's the measure of success? If Palm is selling every unit they have manufactured so far, their profits are up, and that can be considered successful. Heck even the Apple fanboys around here point to Apple's profits as a measure of success.



    The number of people with a Pre right now are enough to drive the success of webOS as well as draw attention to potential developers.
  • Reply 66 of 94
    The Pre doesn't have to kill the iPhone to be successful. It's unlikely it could even if that was its goal. Which it isn't. It doesn't even have to sell as well as the iPhone. It just has to make Palm and Sprint a profit.



    There is plenty of room in the market for the Pre and it's a good thing to have because it does a lot of stuff right. Don't forget that the iPhone might not even be its biggest competitor, that could be Blackberries or Android phones.



    The endless comparison between the Pre and the iPhone is stupid.
  • Reply 67 of 94
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    PALM PRE' PIC's

    http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...=188829&page=5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    Interesting point. I think Palm might have been afflicted with the "iPod Killer" curse. The unlucky recipient of that title usually ends up doing the exact opposite.



    What will really tell the tale is Palm's dvelopment cycle, how their "app store" can attract developers (mostly away from the iPhone), and whether they can be th "first" in implementing something truly interesting (or completely redefining a design paradigm) vis-a-vis the iPhone.



    <A note for all you future pre users.>



    With a great legacy palm had with the very loyal treo clients Palm should have had no problems selling the hell out of pre..



    <Cracked screens >



    Well its to early to say the PRE is a very or a little shoddy plastic phone, if the cracked screen issues remain below 5 percent then they should. The in-accurate poll has it at 13% percent cracked. We don't really know how many PRE's have cracked or bubbled screens , We don't know how bad sprint is screwing there PRE clients. But we do know it's not good for there customer base. <<

    PALM PRE' PIC's

    http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...=188829&page=5 >>



    <UPSET CLIENTS >



    AT THE Pre central website link is below . MANY PEOPLE ARE SCARED AND LIVID, After 30 days you cannot return the PRE. For all you pie in the sky Pre lovers, Well READ UP and see what's what before your state your true love for the APP-LESS Palm PRE..



    <SALESs>



    The NYT reports today that 190.000 pre have sold and 2 to 3 million for the year is predicated. The writer goes on to say hat palm needs to sell many more to survive.



    <WHERE THE PLAM PRE MAY FIT >



    What most smart phones can do . A lot of things, Maybe Too many things. So many things that many clients will never use or can;t figure out how to use all those apps or functions << Don't worry pre peoples you have 9 apps to master>> .

    So for that reason alone a person with limited use or low brain power<kidding> may just be best suited for the Pre. So Pre has or had a niche . A place for it to grow and thrive. Yet The palm PRE has had a couple of stumbles already. No music store and pissed off clients when itunes upgrades. Bubbles and cracked screens. NO apps . And now in living color a $99 dollar 3G iphone with 50000 apps and a free shuffle to boot.



    << FILL IN BLANK >>

    I have read so many glowing and hopeful reports about the PRE. So maybe in 6 -9 months things will work out for the PRE CLIENTS.



    Now if we exchange the word APPLE for the word PRE here when we talk about cracked Screens the world wide out cry would be amazing. Remember those tiny lines on the cube !! How much more leeway will the pre get ???



    << GO READ >>

    Go visit the supplied link . YOU will hear horror and love stories about the PRE
  • Reply 68 of 94
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Reading the stories from people is fine and everything, but don't stop there. Go to a Sprint store and try one out for a good 30 minutes to an hour.



    The thing about horror and love stories for any product is it inevitably happens for EVERYTHING. The iphone still has horror stories from people.
  • Reply 69 of 94
    c4rlobc4rlob Posts: 277member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by miketothep View Post


    I am choosing the Pre over the iPhone for mainly one reason... a real keyboard. I use my phone for email and text messaging a lot and the virtual keyboard is just too slow and unreliable (yes I have tried it... it pails in comparison to physical keys).



    The iPhone is obviously a great device that works for a lot of people... I'm not one of them. Why Apple seems to have the same disdain for a physical keyboard as they did for the 2-button mouse, I have no idea. But if they had a version with a physical keyboard, or if they would at least allow drivers for third-party bluetooth keyboards, I probably would have bought one a long time ago.



    Sure some people prefer a physical keyboard to a virtual one. But admit it's just a personal preference and not that physical keyboards are somehow faster. It's plain physics - it takes more time and effort to press and release a rubber button than it does to lightly touch a smooth piece of glass. I used a Treo for years - and after spending the time to adjust to the iPhone virtual keyboard I type far faster (and with less fatigue) than I ever did on a Treo. If you prefer a physical keyboard that's fine - I'll even accept the rare benefit of being able to type without looking - but don't try and make it about speed or efficiency. Just admit you don't care to spend the time to learn something new and faster and leave it at that.



    As for Apple's disdain - in my opinion what they disdain is fat. Wasteful flub. Apple follows a design principle that efficiency and power can be elegant. A touchscreen is physically faster, technically more flexible and efficient, and visually more elegant than physical buttons. Eventually all phones will probably only have touchscreen keyboards and people will look back and wonder why it took so long to shed the primitive-bulk of rubber nubs as keys.



    Sidenote - It took the smartphone experts at Palm until 2009 to design something as elegant as the smooth stone-like Pre; meanwhile Apple had long been making a smoother capsule mouse which is touch-sensitive for both left and right-clicks and squeeze clicks. When even your mouse looks as good (and strikingly similar) as another company's smartphone - you know you're doing something right.



  • Reply 70 of 94
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tofino View Post


    ?You know the beautiful thing: June 29, 2009, is the two- year anniversary of the first shipment of the iPhone. Not one of those people will still be using an iPhone a month later.?



    Not true.

    A LOT of people will still use the 2.5G phone. There will be more available on EBay, and I think they will be snapped up. In the U.S., as long as the data plan is cheaper and 3G is unavailable everywhere, this thing will be my phone.
  • Reply 71 of 94
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
    Pre is probably a bigger threat to Blackberry than the iphone. i have a Sprint BB from work, and i'd probably choose a Pre if I had a choice.



    RIM's OS needs a huge overhaul
  • Reply 72 of 94
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    Reading the stories from people is fine and everything, but don't stop there. Go to a Sprint store and try one out for a good 30 minutes to an hour.



    The thing about horror and love stories for any product is it inevitably happens for EVERYTHING. The iphone still has horror stories from people.



    Did you read ?? and see the pics of cracked phones .???



    Yes i did go to a sprint store . The pre felt ... like plastic tp me.



    but it seems like a great phone. .if i lived in an iphone-less world and sprint was really verizon i would get the PRE INA HEART BEAT .



    peace



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  • Reply 73 of 94
    mac voyermac voyer Posts: 1,294member
    Why is this thread in CH and not iPhone forum?
  • Reply 74 of 94
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    Did you read ?? and see the pics of cracked phones .???



    Yes i did go to a sprint store . The pre felt ... like plastic tp me.



    but it seems like a great phone. .if i lived in an iphone-less world and sprint was really verizon i would get the PRE INA HEART BEAT .



    peace



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    Yeah I've read people's horror stories. (Still not as bad as the horror stories from Sprint's Samsung Instinct fiasco lol.) The screen breaking is not acceptable. I think we can see where they skimped in order to turn a profit.



    I played with one in the store for about 30 minutes. I didn't like it. It has potential, but every time I brought up the main menu by sliding my thumb upward from the bottom, it extended the keyboard slightly. That would get annoying quick.
  • Reply 75 of 94
    trajectorytrajectory Posts: 647member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post


    I love my Palm Pre; it's finally what I've been looking for in a phone without having to sell my soul to AT&T.



    AT&T does sucks, but, show me any phone company that doesn't. They are all barely legal scams if you ask me, just like credit card companies. They prey on their customers.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by miketothep View Post


    I am choosing the Pre over the iPhone for mainly one reason... a real keyboard. I use my phone for email and text messaging a lot and the virtual keyboard is just too slow and unreliable (yes I have tried it... it pails in comparison to physical keys).



    That's interesting, because the keys on the iPhone virtual keyboard are larger and a lot easier to hit (in landscape mode) than those horrible tiny little plastic keys on the Pre. I tried it out and couldn't believe how tiny and close-together those keys were on the Pre. Awful! And the problem is, you can't change it or make it context-sensitive like the iPhone's keyboard.



    I'll take the iPhone keyboard any day over those flimsy, cheap plastic keyboards designed for a toddler's fingers.
  • Reply 76 of 94
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,530member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Other than NeXTTime, what part of NeXTSTEP was inspired or "stolen" from Mac OS 7.x?



    I'd love to read it seeing as I worked for both.



    The entire concept of a GUI. Using the motorola processor.



    It didn't have to be the same at the coding level to take the basic concepts.



    I'n not saying it as a criticizm, just as a response to the post about Rubinstein.
  • Reply 77 of 94
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,530member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    You know that guy had a point . Both sides of the loyalty/ethics issue have their valid place in society.



    But mel your response was so devastating that this guy lost it.



    Talking about ashtrays and stuff ?

    Funny how things can turn on a dime .





    This is a great debating place .



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    I'm certainly all for ethical behavior. I worked very hard while in business to be ethical.



    But his was a fanboy type of reaction. He just can't stand the idea that someone who worked at Apple could possibly then go and work for a competitor without thinking of him as a traitor. That's a dangerous concept. Did he think that way about the people Apple hired away from other firms? I'd love to know that.
  • Reply 78 of 94
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,530member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bigmc6000 View Post


    If you have problems typing with your thumbs you should try holding it so your thumbs are coming from the side of the phone rather than the bottom (thus moving the "tap zone" from the large pad of your thumb to the edge of the pad of your thumb).



    I found, very early, that your thumbs rotate when moved back and forth. so when your thumbs are pointing towards the center of the keyboard, the outside part is down. When they are pointing towards the edges of the keyboard, the inner parts are pointing down.



    That means that a different part of your thumb actually hits the keyboard, and you tend to overshoot the key you're aiming at. In the center, with your right thumb, you would tend to hit the "H" instead of the "J", and at the edge, you would tend to hit the "L" instead of the "K".



    You can test this by putting your hands in the position they would be in while holding the phone and typing. You'll notice your thumbs rotate. Everyone's different of course, but its a natural movement from the way the joints are built.



    I asked some others about that, and after thinking about it, they concurred. I just shift my aim to compensate, and all is well. Because of the width, I don't find that problem in landscape mode.
  • Reply 79 of 94
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,530member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    What's the measure of success? If Palm is selling every unit they have manufactured so far, their profits are up, and that can be considered successful. Heck even the Apple fanboys around here point to Apple's profits as a measure of success.



    The number of people with a Pre right now are enough to drive the success of webOS as well as draw attention to potential developers.



    I was reading about that. It's was said that Palm might sell about 2.5 million in the year, but that won't be enough to make them profitable.



    Quote:

    Mr. Coster estimates that Palm has shipped close to 180,000 devices in the two weeks since the product first went on sale and could reach as many as 2.5 million in the fiscal year ending in May 2010. But that would not be enough to make the company profitable, he said.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/te...4bhCaAThBJzqag



    This would have to be a monster hit for them to succeed long term, unless they're bought up by a much larger firm. How much more money can Elevation Partners invest in them?
  • Reply 80 of 94
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,530member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    Reading the stories from people is fine and everything, but don't stop there. Go to a Sprint store and try one out for a good 30 minutes to an hour.



    The thing about horror and love stories for any product is it inevitably happens for EVERYTHING. The iphone still has horror stories from people.



    Considering the number of iPhones sold, the number of problems have been very small. Extremely small. When you include the iPod Touches, the number of problems is vanishingly small.



    While there will always be people who can manage to crack a large screen device, if the number of iPhone/Touch screens were cracked in the first two weeks relative to the number sold, as we seem to be seeing with the Pre, it would have been headlines on every major outlet, and all of the small ones as well.



    We are all aware of that here.



    So perhaps there is a wish for the Pre to succeed amongst the media types in the news and web outlets that has kept them from reporting on this so far.
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