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  • Reply 101 of 134
    [quote] $1499 for a PowerMac is a good start on dropping prices. And the monitor prices are great! <hr></blockquote>



    I concur. Credit due. After whinging about cheaper towers. I've got my wish. I prefer the 1 gig at £200 cheaper to the dual 867 at £1350.



    Now.



    If they stick a 970 in them, I'm buying.



    £1,150 inc VAT is a vast improvement on £1,350 inc VAT. That's a £200 price cut. Weeeell, whaddaya know? Who says Apple can't do a £999 inc VAT tower?



    I agree with MacsRgood4U. I think this range of deep cuts and bumped specs augurs well for the iMac2 range. I see it moving down towards the old iMac original price bracket and about time too! This iMac 2 should be outselling the original (iMac2 = way cool but way overpriced!) Looking for good value when they hit. Deep, dramatic price cuts.



    I'm looking for at least two iMac2's under the £999 inc VAT mark. Price and spec have been the archilles heel of iMac 2 sales. As Macworld or Macuser put it, 'Either there's something wrong with the machine is offering or it's too expensive.' Both thought I.



    I applaud this latest move by Apple. This is more like it and a welcome step in the right direction. It's kinda a shame I won't be buying. I like the look of the cheap gig tower. It's just a shame we weren't here last year. That's by the way...



    And the monitors. Superb. Stunning price on the 23incher. 20 incher is a kick in the knackers for formac's 20 incher...and a respectable price on the 17 incher. Apple's monitor range got a whole lot better at good prices.



    Lemon Bon Bon



    [quote] I am personally happy that there is an entry level PowerMac. <hr></blockquote>



    Me too. I just hope they can keep those prices for September...



    And glad to hear the 9700 Ati is build to order/pending...



    [ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
  • Reply 102 of 134
    [quote] I agree, the drop back to singles for the low end PowerMac is a bad idea, at least at the price they are charging. They should have introed a single at $999-$1299 to get a low end tower on the market, and help sell more displays. The low end dual should be $1499-$1599, which woul make it a better deal than the previous low end which would have addressed the price performance gap that has been growing for Mac's.

    <hr></blockquote>



    I see your point. Personally, I'm just glad to see the 'power'Mac at a more appropriate starting point. You should have to spend way over a grand to get an expandable Apple. It would be nice to get a dual 1 gig for the new entry point. But let's face it. Not going to happen. They wouldn't sell the mid range dual. I'll settle to see Apple in the right direction price wise.



    Really, this 'power'Mac could start at another £150 less. Single gig at £999 inc VAT. With a dual gigger for £1250.



    S'funny, I was derided for 'splitting' the 'power'Mac range like Apple have just done. And hey, Apple just did it. They could sell a cheap tower and stick an 867 in it. For less than a K.



    There are people who will buy iMac2s and 'power'Macs. Regardless if they overlap.



    Lemon Bon Bon
  • Reply 103 of 134
    [quote]Originally posted by Wrong Robust:

    <strong>If sdram= Single data-rate ram(random access memory) and DDR ram= double data-rate ram



    then what the hell is DDR SDRAM?

    double data-rate single data-rate ram?

    thats weird</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You've just mis-expanded your acronyms.



    RAM = Random Access Memory

    DRAM = Dynamic RAM

    SDRAM = Synchronous DRAM

    DDR SDRAM = Double Data Rate SDRAM



    Or (deep breath),

    Double Data Rate Synchronous Dynamic Random Access Memory.



    Save yourself some effort. Just do what all my non-techie relatives do and call it "space."
  • Reply 104 of 134
    anyone know where the g4 tower servers are can't find them in the new arrangements





    waiting to get a new apple but ill never give up my pc
  • Reply 105 of 134
    nitzernitzer Posts: 115member
    [quote]Originally posted by robert:

    <strong>anyone know where the g4 tower servers are can't find them in the new arrangements</strong><hr></blockquote>



    There's a Server Software Kit in the BTO options of the regular towers.
  • Reply 106 of 134
    Price comparisons from MacWhispers on LCD displays:





    How The 23-Inch Cinema Compares





    There are several 22 to 24-inch high resolution LCD displays on the market. And, until today, Apple's 23-inch unit was among the most expensive. Let's see where it fits in today.



    Samsung 241MP (16:10 aspect ratio) $4,400 (street price)

    Samsung 240T (16:10 aspect ratio) $3,000 (street price)

    KDS RAD-23 (4:3 aspect ratio) $2,900 (street price)

    LG Electronics (4:3 aspect ratio) $3,000 (street price)

    Sony SDM-P232 (16:10 aspect ratio) $2,600 (street price)

    Viewsonic VP230MP (4:3 aspect ratio) $2,900 (street price)



    Apple 23" Cinema Display (16:10 aspect ratio) $1,999 MSRP





    Where The 20.1-Inch Cinema Fits



    The 20-inch range of LCDs is more crowded, so we're restricting our comparison to displays from name brand manufacturers, and to units with comparably strong specifications. Here's how they look.



    Formac Gallery 2010 (4:3 aspect ratio) $1,699 MSRP

    NEC-Mitsubishi LCD2080UX (4:3 aspect ratio) $1,300

    (street price)

    Viewsonic VP201MB (4:3 aspect ratio) $1,500 (street price)

    Sony SDM-X202 (4:3 aspect ratio) $1,700 (street price)



    Apple 20" Cinema Display (16:10 aspect ratio) $1,299 MSRP



    [ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: MacsRGood4U ]</p>
  • Reply 107 of 134
    Nice :eek:
  • Reply 108 of 134
    Can any body dig up which build of jaguar is on the new powermacs? 10.2.3 or 10.2.4? Found this on the software page for the new PMs:



    Some software may require a download. Up-to-Date Program will be announced for purchasers of qualifying SuperDrive-equipped Power Macs. Details of qualifying Mac systems will be announced.



    It was at the bottom of the section describing iLife. Does this mean the PowerMacs don't have Ilife installed?



    [ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: InactionMan ]</p>
  • Reply 109 of 134
    I just ordered one of the new 20.1" Cinema Displays. It should arrive by Friday, next Monday at the latest. Today's non-Macworld product announcements are some of the best I've seen from Apple. So tempting that I actually began the purchase process for the 23" HD Display. IMHO, $1999 for that display is THE best deal on any piece of hardware on Apple's website, easily worth every penny.



    I'll take some pics when the 20.1" arrives!



    ---------------

    RosettaStoned
  • Reply 110 of 134
    so could i buy a mac right now and then add the server software later and it will become a srever i could run off my cable modem



    oh wow i think im getting my first apple
  • Reply 111 of 134
    baumanbauman Posts: 1,248member
    Yeah you can add the serverware later, at the same price as it would cost to put it on the machines BTO: $499 (10 client) or $999 (Unlimited)



    Just clean install and you're set to go
  • Reply 112 of 134
    shetlineshetline Posts: 4,695member
    [quote]Originally posted by agent302:

    <strong>For anyone doing professional work that would want a 22" Cinema Display, I would still think they would want to buy the new 20" one because it has more pixels.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I personally would rather have the new 20", or even the new 23", over my "old" 22" display. However, one thing that the 22-incher has going for it is a very-easy-on-the-eyes 86 dpi pixel density. The new 20" shrinks pixel density to about 99 dpi, very close to the same pixel density as the 23" model.



    I'd happily use 100 dpi... hell, my CRT at work is pushing 115 dpi. I know plenty of people, however, who squint at such resolutions (or who only use such resolutions after counter-productively boosting all of their display fonts to easy-reader sizes) who'd be happy to have a big display with 86 dpi pixels.
  • Reply 113 of 134
    Specs on Jaguar for the new Power Macs just say 10.2 (not whether they're .3 or .4). I suspect it's the latter and an update is forthcoming for the rest of us via the Software Update panel.



    [ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: MacsRGood4U ]</p>
  • Reply 114 of 134
    rodukroduk Posts: 706member
    [quote]Originally posted by Agent69:

    <strong>I am personally happy that there is an entry level PowerMac. I think I'm going to order one and bump it up to the Radeon card. (I have a personal hatred for nVidia) To me, a 1Ghz G4 with a 1MB level-3 cache with a 133Mhz bus isn't a bad thing. And not everyone needs or wants a dualie.





    Agent69 </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I agree. For people who would otherwise buy an iMac but are concerned about its lack of expandability etc, the new entry level PowerMac is ideal.



    It compares quite favourably to the entry level model of a year ago - 2002 QuickSilver 800MHz (single processor). For less money you get a 25% increase in processor speed, a level 3 cache, DDR SDRAM, a 50% increase in disk space with a faster bus, a combo drive rather than a CD-RW and twice as much DDR SDRAM on the graphics card.
  • Reply 114 of 134
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,262member
    This agressive display pricing is pretty amazing. They are going to sell the crap out of these.



    Here's a little article at MacNET 2.0:



    <a href="http://www.macnet2.com/more.php?id=260_0_1_0_M"; target="_blank">Apple takes the gloves off, offers price points that are impossible to resist</a>



    A few interesting snippets:



    The 20.1? display takes the place of Apple?s original 22? Cinema Display, with a whopping 1680x1050 resolution, slightly higher than Apple?s now discontinued 22? display. At $1299 this display crushes the nearest competition, Formac?s 20? flat panel, which sells for $1699.00. (We?ll see if Formac reacts with a lower price later today).....





    I doubt this display will be easy to come by, since this kind of price has been unheard of before today. Anyone who has been drooling over the 22? Cinema Display which up until an hour ago sold for $2499, are now faced with a display offering the same real estate at half the price. Let?s hope Apple can keep up with the demand for this display.



    Even more shocking is Apple?s decision to drop the cost of it?s flagship 23? HD Cinema Display by $1500 to a jaw-dropping $1999.00. There is no other display on the market that offers this size, resolution, and sharpness at anywhere near $1999. Most people expected Apple to drop the price by $500, not $1500.



    This kind of aggressive pricing means Apple has taken a serious turn at pushing hardware out the door at prices no one can touch....






    Pretty tough to dis the Apple displays now.



    [ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: murbot ]</p>
  • Reply 116 of 134
    [quote]Pretty tough to dis the Apple displays now. <hr></blockquote>



    Not on this site, it isn't! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 117 of 134
    sc_marktsc_markt Posts: 1,401member
    [quote]Originally posted by Agent69:

    <strong>I am personally happy that there is an entry level PowerMac. I think I'm going to order one and bump it up to the Radeon card. (I have a personal hatred for nVidia) To me, a 1Ghz G4 with a 1MB level-3 cache with a 133Mhz bus isn't a bad thing. And not everyone needs or wants a dualie.





    Agent69 </strong><hr></blockquote>



    You would be better off buying a dual 867. You'll have more processing power with 2 slightly slower G4's than one faster G4. Plus if your brave enough, you can overclock them to 1GHz.



    I don't know why Apple made a single processor lowend powermac. A dual 1Ghz lowend pm would have been nice.
  • Reply 118 of 134
    I love todays updates!
  • Reply 119 of 134
    [quote] Pretty tough to dis the Apple displays now. <hr></blockquote>



    :eek:



    I'd say!



    Lemon Bon Bon



    Apple leads the market on price. I'm...in shock...



    [ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
  • Reply 120 of 134
    [quote]Originally posted by sc_markt:

    <strong>



    You would be better off buying a dual 867. You'll have more processing power with 2 slightly slower G4's than one faster G4. Plus if your brave enough, you can overclock them to 1GHz.



    I don't know why Apple made a single processor lowend powermac. A dual 1Ghz lowend pm would have been nice.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    It my price range, I can get an iMac/eMac or the new Powermac 1Ghz. Even if they offer a 1Ghz iMac/eMac, you just know that Apple will not include an L3 cache on them.



    I also happen to know that I don't need 2 cpus. MacOS X 10.1 was "okay" on my old iBook 500 with its Rage card, so I know that the 1Ghz with a bitchin' Radeon card would be fine.
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