I know I've said this before, but I really hope that Apple is future-forward enough to include a way to easily send media data seamlessly to my iPhone. Like SlingBox. Isn't QuickTime Streaming Server designed specifically for this? It would also be useful when using the upcoming iTV device.
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QuickTime Streaming Server in Leopard server supports 3GPP Release 6 bit rate adaptation ensuring a smooth streaming experience when delivering media to mobile phones regardless of network congestion. Additionally, QuickTime Streaming Server is 64-bit and is integrated with Open Directory for content authorization.
Some popular e-mail services such as Gmail only use POP. IMAP isn't an option.
My main email is Gmail. Live Mail Beta, Yahoo Mail, and AIM Mail are not Good alternatives. It does not support IMAP and it is the most requested feature for Gmail.
Hopefully they get it implemented sometime soon, I don't even access it online anymore, and while everything is organized in Mail, EVERYTHING IN GMAIL IS A UNREAD MESS!!
I currently have no good alternatives unless I set up my own mail server and even then I'm rather dreading the idea of being responsible for my own server, though I may just go ahead and do that if I have to. I'll probably wait another year though.
If anyone here still thinks POP3 is a good option, please feel free to tell me why before I dismiss it as something that needs to Drop Dead in the face of the much better IMAP protocol.
My main email is Gmail. Live Mail Beta, Yahoo Mail, and AIM Mail are not Good alternatives. It does not support IMAP and it is the most requested feature for Gmail.
Hopefully they get it implemented sometime soon, I don't even access it online anymore, and while everything is organized in Mail, EVERYTHING IN GMAIL IS A UNREAD MESS!!
I currently have no good alternatives unless I set up my own mail server and even then I'm rather dreading the idea of being responsible for my own server, though I may just go ahead and do that if I have to. I'll probably wait another year though.
If anyone here still thinks POP3 is a good option, please feel free to tell me why before I dismiss it as something that needs to Drop Dead in the face of the much better IMAP protocol.
Sebastian
Because while a few people have, or like to think they have, very sophisticated needs regarding email, most people just need to read what comes in, respond sometimes, and then erase it.
Because while a few people have, or like to think they have, very sophisticated needs regarding email, most people just need to read what comes in, respond sometimes, and then erase it.
Yes well I need my Mail organized on both the Server and in my Desktop Mail client of choice. If given a choice between the 2, I'll just organize it in my Desktop, but I'd rather have them both organized.
I don't simply read, respond sometimes, and erase, so maybe I'm not like the Majority.
My main email is Gmail. Live Mail Beta, Yahoo Mail, and AIM Mail are not Good alternatives. It does not support IMAP and it is the most requested feature for Gmail.
Hopefully they get it implemented sometime soon, I don't even access it online anymore, and while everything is organized in Mail, EVERYTHING IN GMAIL IS A UNREAD MESS!!
I currently have no good alternatives unless I set up my own mail server and even then I'm rather dreading the idea of being responsible for my own server, though I may just go ahead and do that if I have to. I'll probably wait another year though.
If anyone here still thinks POP3 is a good option, please feel free to tell me why before I dismiss it as something that needs to Drop Dead in the face of the much better IMAP protocol.
Sebastian
I like pop cuz I can read my mail offline, but that's the only advantage that I can think of...
If anyone here still thinks POP3 is a good option, please feel free to tell me why before I dismiss it as something that needs to Drop Dead in the face of the much better IMAP protocol.
From wikipedia
Compared to POP3, IMAP4 is a very complicated protocol. Implementing IMAP is more difficult and error-prone than implementing POP3 for both client and server implementations at least in part because IMAP allows multiple clients to be connected to the same mailbox simultaneously.
Unlike some proprietary protocols which combine sending and retrieval operations, sending a message and saving a copy in a server-side folder with a base-level IMAP client requires transmitting the message content twice, once to SMTP for delivery and a second time to IMAP to store in a sent mail folder.
Compared to POP3, IMAP4 is a very complicated protocol. Implementing IMAP is more difficult and error-prone than implementing POP3 for both client and server implementations at least in part because IMAP allows multiple clients to be connected to the same mailbox simultaneously.
Unlike some proprietary protocols which combine sending and retrieval operations, sending a message and saving a copy in a server-side folder with a base-level IMAP client requires transmitting the message content twice, once to SMTP for delivery and a second time to IMAP to store in a sent mail folder.
It also doesn't help that IMAP is an After Thought in most Email clients.
Some posts here seem to hint that POP is capable of offline reading of your email while IMAP is not, this is not the case. IMAP properly implemented allows one to use either an email client or a web interface to deal with their mail. Folders may be implemented on the server to keep selected emails organized and discard the ones no longer needed. Mail can be saved in a draft folder to later call back up and finish.
POP allows one to do the same on your own computer but what if you change computers? I have my main editing G5 station configured so that I can conveniently access multiple email accounts with IMAP. This computer has plenty of storage so there are many folders that I keep mail filed within that causes the mail to be pulled off the server and stored locally even though I am configured for IMAP. This is how it has to be done for POP, I don't have the option of filing it in a folder stored on the server. Of course I have the option to leave the mail in my pop inbox for a week or so, so that I can access it it on another comptuer, but I certainly can't file my most important emails in a folder on the server so that I can access them from a different computer. I also have the incredible benefit of seeing my sent mail messages from any computer, even a web terminal or cell phone.
I do a lot of travelling and enjoy using my Powerbook as well as accessing any computer or other internet device connected to the web while allowing organized access to my most important email. POP is not a solution I will ever go back to. As I am writing this, I am seeking a new webhost provider for my website and IMAP is on the list of requirements. Some webhosting companies claim to implement IMAP but do it very poorly. When it is properly configured it is much more organized and convenient.
I want an iPhone when they ship and I look forward to push email that Yahoo will provide, but I want my clients to use email addresses that identify my company. i.e. register@xyz.com, info@xyz.com, name@xyz.com, etc. then email can be more easily routed for the proper action and it provides a better customers experience.
I would love to hear how others are implementing their mail that solves the above issues.
I do a lot of travelling and enjoy using my Powerbook as well as accessing any computer or other internet device connected to the web while allowing organized access to my most important email. POP is not a solution I will ever go back to. As I am writing this, I am seeking a new webhost provider for my website and IMAP is on the list of requirements. Some webhosting companies claim to implement IMAP but do it very poorly. When it is properly configured it is much more organized and convenient.
What do they not configure properly ?
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Originally Posted by discoverytools@mac.com
I want an iPhone when they ship and I look forward to push email that Yahoo will provide, but I want my clients to use email addresses that identify my company. i.e. register@xyz.com, info@xyz.com, name@xyz.com, etc. then email can be more easily routed for the proper action and it provides a better customers experience.
I would love to hear how others are implementing their mail that solves the above issues.
If the webhosting company has their IMAP configured 'properly' then you'll get IMAP IDLE support from them - no need to use Yahoo Mail.
Here's what my servers support - I use Courier-IMAP on all my servers...
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2005 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information.
That works fine using IMAP IDLE to Sony Ericsson phones at least already
I would love to hear how others are implementing their mail that solves the above issues.
I don't have your exact issues, but am using a combination of Tuffmail and personal IMAP servers. Tuffmail is the most reliable cost-effective IMAP and MX provider I've found with enough granularity of control to manage my many unique addresses in several domains. Its Account Manager can be as daunting as it is powerful/flexible. I don't need "infinite" offsite storage capacity since only a subset of mail is saved at Tuffmail. The webmail clients (SquirrelMail, IMP, Roundcube) are nothing special, which is unimportant for my purposes. For heavier webmail usage I'd prefer FastMail's custom client (for example).
couldn't you just use any email service you wanted to (ex. 123guy@placeofwork.com) and use configure yahoo.com to retrieve those emails? I know I've done something similar in the past. I have a few different e-mail accounts that I can check at yahoo. If yahoo offers free pushing of emails to iPhone customers wouldn't include those emails as well?
couldn't you just use any email service you wanted to (ex. 123guy@placeofwork.com) and use configure yahoo.com to retrieve those emails? I know I've done something similar in the past. I have a few different e-mail accounts that I can check at yahoo. If yahoo offers free pushing of emails to iPhone customers wouldn't include those emails as well?
That is whst I was planning to do with Gmail account. Though, I am hoping that Gmail offers a similar solution to Yahoo by June.
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Anyone know if .mac has IMAP IDLE enabled?
Not according to the list of capabilities the server responds with:
% telnet mail.mac.com imap
Trying 17.250.248.64...
Connected to mail.mac.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 ACL QUOTA LITERAL+ NAMESPACE UIDPLUS CHILDREN BINARY LANGUAGE XSENDER X-NETSCAPE XSERVERINFO AUTH=PLAIN STARTTLS] Messaging Multiplexor (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006))
. capability
* CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 ACL QUOTA LITERAL+ NAMESPACE UIDPLUS CHILDREN BINARY LANGUAGE XSENDER X-NETSCAPE XSERVERINFO AUTH=PLAIN STARTTLS
. OK CAPABILITY completed
. logout
* BYE bye
. OK LOGOUT completed
Connection closed by foreign host.
No THREAD=REFERENCES and THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT capabilities, and Mail doesn't support server-side threading either. Weak.
QuickTime Streaming Server in Leopard server supports 3GPP Release 6 bit rate adaptation ensuring a smooth streaming experience when delivering media to mobile phones regardless of network congestion. Additionally, QuickTime Streaming Server is 64-bit and is integrated with Open Directory for content authorization.
Some popular e-mail services such as Gmail only use POP. IMAP isn't an option.
My main email is Gmail. Live Mail Beta, Yahoo Mail, and AIM Mail are not Good alternatives. It does not support IMAP and it is the most requested feature for Gmail.
Hopefully they get it implemented sometime soon, I don't even access it online anymore, and while everything is organized in Mail, EVERYTHING IN GMAIL IS A UNREAD MESS!!
I currently have no good alternatives unless I set up my own mail server and even then I'm rather dreading the idea of being responsible for my own server, though I may just go ahead and do that if I have to. I'll probably wait another year though.
If anyone here still thinks POP3 is a good option, please feel free to tell me why before I dismiss it as something that needs to Drop Dead in the face of the much better IMAP protocol.
Sebastian
My main email is Gmail. Live Mail Beta, Yahoo Mail, and AIM Mail are not Good alternatives. It does not support IMAP and it is the most requested feature for Gmail.
Hopefully they get it implemented sometime soon, I don't even access it online anymore, and while everything is organized in Mail, EVERYTHING IN GMAIL IS A UNREAD MESS!!
I currently have no good alternatives unless I set up my own mail server and even then I'm rather dreading the idea of being responsible for my own server, though I may just go ahead and do that if I have to. I'll probably wait another year though.
If anyone here still thinks POP3 is a good option, please feel free to tell me why before I dismiss it as something that needs to Drop Dead in the face of the much better IMAP protocol.
Sebastian
Because while a few people have, or like to think they have, very sophisticated needs regarding email, most people just need to read what comes in, respond sometimes, and then erase it.
Because while a few people have, or like to think they have, very sophisticated needs regarding email, most people just need to read what comes in, respond sometimes, and then erase it.
Yes well I need my Mail organized on both the Server and in my Desktop Mail client of choice. If given a choice between the 2, I'll just organize it in my Desktop, but I'd rather have them both organized.
I don't simply read, respond sometimes, and erase, so maybe I'm not like the Majority.
My main email is Gmail. Live Mail Beta, Yahoo Mail, and AIM Mail are not Good alternatives. It does not support IMAP and it is the most requested feature for Gmail.
Hopefully they get it implemented sometime soon, I don't even access it online anymore, and while everything is organized in Mail, EVERYTHING IN GMAIL IS A UNREAD MESS!!
I currently have no good alternatives unless I set up my own mail server and even then I'm rather dreading the idea of being responsible for my own server, though I may just go ahead and do that if I have to. I'll probably wait another year though.
If anyone here still thinks POP3 is a good option, please feel free to tell me why before I dismiss it as something that needs to Drop Dead in the face of the much better IMAP protocol.
Sebastian
I like pop cuz I can read my mail offline, but that's the only advantage that I can think of...
I like pop cuz I can read my mail offline, but that's the only advantage that I can think of...
Ah, well a good reason non the less but there isn't even an option for IMAP
If anyone here still thinks POP3 is a good option, please feel free to tell me why before I dismiss it as something that needs to Drop Dead in the face of the much better IMAP protocol.
From wikipedia
Compared to POP3, IMAP4 is a very complicated protocol. Implementing IMAP is more difficult and error-prone than implementing POP3 for both client and server implementations at least in part because IMAP allows multiple clients to be connected to the same mailbox simultaneously.
Unlike some proprietary protocols which combine sending and retrieval operations, sending a message and saving a copy in a server-side folder with a base-level IMAP client requires transmitting the message content twice, once to SMTP for delivery and a second time to IMAP to store in a sent mail folder.
From wikipedia
Compared to POP3, IMAP4 is a very complicated protocol. Implementing IMAP is more difficult and error-prone than implementing POP3 for both client and server implementations at least in part because IMAP allows multiple clients to be connected to the same mailbox simultaneously.
Unlike some proprietary protocols which combine sending and retrieval operations, sending a message and saving a copy in a server-side folder with a base-level IMAP client requires transmitting the message content twice, once to SMTP for delivery and a second time to IMAP to store in a sent mail folder.
It also doesn't help that IMAP is an After Thought in most Email clients.
POP allows one to do the same on your own computer but what if you change computers? I have my main editing G5 station configured so that I can conveniently access multiple email accounts with IMAP. This computer has plenty of storage so there are many folders that I keep mail filed within that causes the mail to be pulled off the server and stored locally even though I am configured for IMAP. This is how it has to be done for POP, I don't have the option of filing it in a folder stored on the server. Of course I have the option to leave the mail in my pop inbox for a week or so, so that I can access it it on another comptuer, but I certainly can't file my most important emails in a folder on the server so that I can access them from a different computer. I also have the incredible benefit of seeing my sent mail messages from any computer, even a web terminal or cell phone.
I do a lot of travelling and enjoy using my Powerbook as well as accessing any computer or other internet device connected to the web while allowing organized access to my most important email. POP is not a solution I will ever go back to. As I am writing this, I am seeking a new webhost provider for my website and IMAP is on the list of requirements. Some webhosting companies claim to implement IMAP but do it very poorly. When it is properly configured it is much more organized and convenient.
I want an iPhone when they ship and I look forward to push email that Yahoo will provide, but I want my clients to use email addresses that identify my company. i.e. register@xyz.com, info@xyz.com, name@xyz.com, etc. then email can be more easily routed for the proper action and it provides a better customers experience.
I would love to hear how others are implementing their mail that solves the above issues.
I do a lot of travelling and enjoy using my Powerbook as well as accessing any computer or other internet device connected to the web while allowing organized access to my most important email. POP is not a solution I will ever go back to. As I am writing this, I am seeking a new webhost provider for my website and IMAP is on the list of requirements. Some webhosting companies claim to implement IMAP but do it very poorly. When it is properly configured it is much more organized and convenient.
What do they not configure properly ?
I want an iPhone when they ship and I look forward to push email that Yahoo will provide, but I want my clients to use email addresses that identify my company. i.e. register@xyz.com, info@xyz.com, name@xyz.com, etc. then email can be more easily routed for the proper action and it provides a better customers experience.
I would love to hear how others are implementing their mail that solves the above issues.
If the webhosting company has their IMAP configured 'properly' then you'll get IMAP IDLE support from them - no need to use Yahoo Mail.
Here's what my servers support - I use Courier-IMAP on all my servers...
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2005 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information.
That works fine using IMAP IDLE to Sony Ericsson phones at least already
I would love to hear how others are implementing their mail that solves the above issues.
I don't have your exact issues, but am using a combination of Tuffmail and personal IMAP servers. Tuffmail is the most reliable cost-effective IMAP and MX provider I've found with enough granularity of control to manage my many unique addresses in several domains. Its Account Manager can be as daunting as it is powerful/flexible. I don't need "infinite" offsite storage capacity since only a subset of mail is saved at Tuffmail. The webmail clients (SquirrelMail, IMP, Roundcube) are nothing special, which is unimportant for my purposes. For heavier webmail usage I'd prefer FastMail's custom client (for example).
You do know about resource sites like IMAP Service Providers (@ii.com) and emailaddresses.com?
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So you run your own IMAP servers/service, aegisdesign?
couldn't you just use any email service you wanted to (ex. 123guy@placeofwork.com) and use configure yahoo.com to retrieve those emails? I know I've done something similar in the past. I have a few different e-mail accounts that I can check at yahoo. If yahoo offers free pushing of emails to iPhone customers wouldn't include those emails as well?
Easier solution?
couldn't you just use any email service you wanted to (ex. 123guy@placeofwork.com) and use configure yahoo.com to retrieve those emails? I know I've done something similar in the past. I have a few different e-mail accounts that I can check at yahoo. If yahoo offers free pushing of emails to iPhone customers wouldn't include those emails as well?
That is whst I was planning to do with Gmail account. Though, I am hoping that Gmail offers a similar solution to Yahoo by June.
So you run your own IMAP servers/service, aegisdesign?
Sort of. You can have free IMAP IDLE Push email with every hosting plan or dedicated server you buy from me.
I run a web design and hosting company ... and php development, bit of Applescript, some Cocoa dev and consulting work.