Some things the iPhone NEEDS, imo

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  • Reply 101 of 144
    hirohiro Posts: 2,663member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Macvault View Post


    Compromise is UNACCEPTABLE! That's why I canceled my own wedding a year ago!



    Hmmmph, see in black and white only the Sith do...



    Life is compromise, from the moment you began exercising free will.



    I won't judge your reasons for cnx'ing your wedding, they may be very good. But it probably wasn't about compromise, that's just the easy way to explain it. Getting engaged in the first place was a compromise, you gave up the right to drop trou with any other women, for what your fiance brought to the table. You have a job? Thats a compromise, time vs money. Need I go on?
  • Reply 102 of 144
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Woody56292 View Post


    I have some good questions.



    1. will iphone support custom ringtones. ( create your own ringtones ala sony ercisson phones )

    2. will you be able to use mp3s as ringtones. ( the obvious answer is yes, but they never said anything about it during the podcast.

    3. will you be able to assign a picture( can you even assign one? ) and ringtone to each contact you have?

    4.voice recorder?

    5. voice-dialing?

    etc.



    no one knows about 1 and 2, at least not yet it has been confirmed as "No Comment" for now..



    and for three, again not known for the ringtone, but im going to say yes to 1-2 and the ringtone part of 3, the picture is a for sure yes it even had their picture on the contact when steve was using the phone for keynote

    voice-dialing, with the bluetooth headset they dropped im gonna assume it has voice recognition, it must
  • Reply 103 of 144
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hiro View Post


    Hmmmph, see in black and white only the Sith do...



    Life is compromise, from the moment you began exercising free will.



    I won't judge your reasons for cnx'ing your wedding, they may be very good. But it probably wasn't about compromise, that's just the easy way to explain it. Getting engaged in the first place was a compromise, you gave up the right to drop trou with any other women, for what your fiance brought to the table. You have a job? Thats a compromise, time vs money. Need I go on?





    oooo owned...you sound like a person with tunnel vision whoever said no compromise...thats just stupid you cant just have everything in life your way it doesnt work out, if it was true why are there starving people in africa..have to compromise with their resources, or homeless people on the street, a bad choice due to compromising
  • Reply 104 of 144
    Can a 3G antenna connect to a 2G network? Think about it. Apple themselves has stated that they plan 3G in the future, and I'm wondering if they intend to stick 3G hardware in iPhone and just have it work with 2G for now. If that's possible, and IF they do that, then, man, they sure are doing everything right. However, I'm not sure, and this is purely speculation on my part.



    Also, I wonder if they have more goodies up their sleeves that will be announced when the FCC approves it (since the FCC gives rundowns of every [hardware] feature of every device it reviews).



    As for now, though, I don't care what it has, because I'm waiting a little bit to get it.
  • Reply 105 of 144
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hiro View Post


    ...Getting engaged in the first place was a compromise, you gave up the right to drop trou with any other women, for what your fiance brought to the table. You have a job? Thats a compromise, time vs money. Need I go on?



    I never was "engaged". Why would you AssUme so?? And, no, I don't have a job Need I go on?
  • Reply 106 of 144
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Macvault View Post


    I never was "engaged". Why would you AssUme so?? And, no, I don't have a job Need I go on?



    off topic... but how did you have a marriage to call off if you never got engaged?



    Intriguing...
  • Reply 107 of 144
    Perhaps there are some convergent ideas nobody has mentioned yet: (or if you have, I might not have read)



    1) Phone has same dock connector. I forsee car kits which let you dial your phone from the dashboard or via voice. (utilizing the cell feature in the glovebox)



    2) Phone has wifi. See a future iChat enabling VOIP calls when in WiFi coverage for free. (or Skype)



    3) Phone has wifi / bluetooth. See sharing your iPhone library with other iPhone users when within range.



    4) Phone has accelerometers and bluetooth. See two iphone users meet and want to exchange contact cards. See each of them take out there iPhone and 'shake' it at each other (like the jesture of greeting). Then see their contact cards swap via bluetooth with ZERO touch.



    5) Phone has wifi. See phone able to talk wirelessly with Apple TV for some unknown reason.



    6) Phone has touch screen. Bring on the games. Every time Apple does a new launch they pilot stuff. (like the video clips from pixar before TV shows etc). Well I see the iPod games available in the iTunes music store as a pilot for a HUGE opportunity to download games/content from iTunes to your iPhone.
  • Reply 108 of 144
    hirohiro Posts: 2,663member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hassan i Sabbah View Post


    off topic... but how did you have a marriage to call off if you never got engaged?



    Intriguing...



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Macvault View Post


    I never was "engaged". Why would you AssUme so?? And, no, I don't have a job Need I go on?



    I am just as curious as Hassan! I'm also a little perplexed by your ass fixation. Could that have been the hang-up that would have required a compromise?



    Good luck with the no job thing! You must be far more cuddly than I. But do people just feel naturally compelled to feed/house you, or do you compromise and do something in exchange for food/shelter? We can go down that road all day, but if you have ever shat in a toilet you have made a compromise of holding your bowels rather than letting fly whenever the mood hits you, all to garner social acceptance and a less smelly environment.
  • Reply 109 of 144
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hiro View Post


    I am just as curious as Hassan! I'm also a little perplexed by your ass fixation. Could that have been the hang-up that would have required a compromise?



    Good luck with the no job thing! You must be far more cuddly than I. But do people just feel naturally compelled to feed/house you, or do you compromise and do something in exchange for food/shelter? We can go down that road all day, but if you have ever shat in a toilet you have made a compromise of holding your bowels rather than letting fly whenever the mood hits you, all to garner social acceptance and a less smelly environment.



    Too much information. MacVault probably said that due to issues with admitting fault. Most people are stubborn like that. I know I am.



    That said, I think the iPhone is targeted at people who HAVE jobs. Good paying ones.
  • Reply 110 of 144
    to all those who mention Zune:



    I'm not a mac user. Certainly a mac fan - but as a lowly student I can't even afford an iPod. Hopefully come next semester I'll be on work placement earning enough to buy a macbook, an iPod (or even an iPhone / Mac Book Pro mixup)...



    I can't see why Apple should take on Microsoft taking on Apple. Why should Apple include the features Zune has (wifi). Thats why Apple has managed to be such a success story. The iPod came as a result of innovation within the company, looking at things other than software. It was a break through in how the music industry operated. Microsoft were worried and decided to take Apple on at its game.



    Apple now have released an iPhone (not iPod[with a phone attached]). My own view is that iPhone is just that. A phone that like 99% of new mobiles bought in the UK can play music. The fact that it has 8Gb of memory is amazing. It's a phone, with 8Gb of memory. Its not an 8Gb iPod Nano that can make phone calls and send text messages.



    Its like the Apple site says. "Apple reinvents the phone". Not "Apple rereleases Nano to make phone calls"...though that might be a handy firmware upgrade.... [and i do hasten to add that i'm joking nanos don't have the attena required...or do they?!?!]



    rant end!



    p.s. anybody know who the UK carrier will be??
  • Reply 111 of 144
    slewisslewis Posts: 2,081member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by black.horizons View Post


    to all those who mention Zune:



    I'm not a mac user. Certainly a mac fan - but as a lowly student I can't even afford an iPod. Hopefully come next semester I'll be on work placement earning enough to buy a macbook, an iPod (or even an iPhone / Mac Book Pro mixup)...



    I can't see why Apple should take on Microsoft taking on Apple. Why should Apple include the features Zune has (wifi). Thats why Apple has managed to be such a success story. The iPod came as a result of innovation within the company, looking at things other than software. It was a break through in how the music industry operated. Microsoft were worried and decided to take Apple on at its game.



    Apple now have released an iPhone (not iPod[with a phone attached]). My own view is that iPhone is just that. A phone that like 99% of new mobiles bought in the UK can play music. The fact that it has 8Gb of memory is amazing. It's a phone, with 8Gb of memory. Its not an 8Gb iPod Nano that can make phone calls and send text messages.



    Its like the Apple site says. "Apple reinvents the phone". Not "Apple rereleases Nano to make phone calls"...though that might be a handy firmware upgrade.... [and i do hasten to add that i'm joking nanos don't have the attena required...or do they?!?!]



    rant end!



    p.s. anybody know who the UK carrier will be??



    Zune wasn't Mentioned

    WiFi makes sense in a Phone, except to the Carriers

    It's a 3in1 Phone/iPod/Internet Communicator



    Sebastian
  • Reply 112 of 144
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ebaydan777 View Post


    no one knows about 1 and 2, at least not yet it has been confirmed as "No Comment" for now..



    and for three, again not known for the ringtone, but im going to say yes to 1-2 and the ringtone part of 3, the picture is a for sure yes it even had their picture on the contact when steve was using the phone for keynote

    voice-dialing, with the bluetooth headset they dropped im gonna assume it has voice recognition, it must



    omg... gizmodo just confirmed that you can't use your mp3s as ringtones. what a bunch of garbage! I hope Apple convinces Cingular that nobody is going to buy their crappy ringtones for double the price of an mp3.





    "Also, more importantly, users won't be able to use iTunes songs as ringtones. At least, not at launch. We're sure Apple's gotta work out stuff with Cingular and the music industry, since using songs you already bought as ringtones makes it pretty hard to justify buying the same song again just to use as a ringtone?something that's turning out to be a pretty big money source for both providers and the music industry."
  • Reply 113 of 144
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Woody56292 View Post


    omg... gizmodo just confirmed that you can't use your mp3s as ringtones. what a bunch of garbage! I hope Apple convinces Cingular that nobody is going to buy their crappy ringtones for double the price of an mp3.





    "Also, more importantly, users won't be able to use iTunes songs as ringtones. At least, not at launch. We're sure Apple's gotta work out stuff with Cingular and the music industry, since using songs you already bought as ringtones makes it pretty hard to justify buying the same song again just to use as a ringtone?something that's turning out to be a pretty big money source for both providers and the music industry."



    Why would Apple be telling Gizmodo things they're not telling anyone else?



    The David Pogue article specifically said that the iTunes as ringtones thing "hadn't been decided yet."
  • Reply 114 of 144
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    Of course it does IM. Nobody has called it "iChat Mobile" yet, but iChat bubble style IM was demoed.



    The ability to open Office docs or a mobile iWork is a given, if not right off the bat.



    See the remarks about 3G deployment in the posts above. Having the latest and greatest just to have it when most people in the US can't take advantage of it and it significantly impacts battery life is not smart, it's just spec whorage.



    You do know that there are more countries than just the US right?



    And that is most of those 'other countries', 3G infrastructure is already well in place?



    I think the bigger question should be "Why has apple deliberately crippled the phone to appeal to the smaller, US-based GSM market when the rest of the world stands ready for the taking."



    US phone networks be damned. Release overseas first and let the domestic crowd cry to the networks to drag their sorry asses into the 21st century.
  • Reply 115 of 144
    hirohiro Posts: 2,663member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NanoAkron View Post


    You do know that there are more countries than just the US right?



    And that is most of those 'other countries', 3G infrastructure is already well in place?



    I think the bigger question should be "Why has apple deliberately crippled the phone to appeal to the smaller, US-based GSM market when the rest of the world stands ready for the taking."



    US phone networks be damned. Release overseas first and let the domestic crowd cry to the networks to drag their sorry asses into the 21st century.



    Has Apple released or even said it is going to release a crippled international version? No.



    You are making assumptions that are unreasonable at the moment. You may have a valid concern that Apple has not announced anything specific about it's international versions, but that doesn't mean they won't provide the right phone for that market. Steve said outright that there are going to be multiple versions in the iPhone family. That should make you take a wait and see on whether iPhone is crippled from an international standpoint.



    My guess is it won't be, especially since it won't be tied to Cingular's US contract terms.
  • Reply 116 of 144
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    Yeah ok adda. It is an iPod with a phone as an afterthought. I WANT to buy this thing! If it doesn't suck. I seem to be the only person here or even the mass media that sees the massive deficiencies that may ultimately lead to the complete cancellation of this product line. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little. But they need to see that it won't sell if it can't be used in a car (sorry, I don't care if it's not safe, everyone does it, sort of like smoking, driving faster than 65mph, eating butter, etc.) Also I wouldn't be surprised if it lacks things like vibrate. No VOIP of course because they have succumbed to The Man. No iLife/MS Office compatibility is another strike. Outlook is a big deal...don't know how they'd tackle that though, that's probably just hopeless but it nonetheless hurts. Voice dialing is needed. 3rd party apps (even if they need to be "approved" are need. We should be able to write out own widgets though. I'll probably write a letter but I assumed someone smarter than me would, and add things on I didn't think of. Basically, I could probably do phone things faster with my phone than the iPhone. That's the whole point. Without LOOKING too. Come on most of you place calls in your car. I guess Apple will just have to have great voice navigation.



    But I digress. I bet they will add more/have stuff up their sleeve. And we really don't know anything about it yet. After all that time I still feel there is stuff we don't know about it.

    Time will tell. And as for GPS that should come in a very high end edition but obviously not the standard one until maybe 5 years from now when it's affordable. That'd be SICK though. Team up with Trimble or Magellan like I've said.
  • Reply 117 of 144
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NanoAkron View Post


    You do know that there are more countries than just the US right?



    And that is most of those 'other countries', 3G infrastructure is already well in place?



    I think the bigger question should be "Why has apple deliberately crippled the phone to appeal to the smaller, US-based GSM market when the rest of the world stands ready for the taking."



    US phone networks be damned. Release overseas first and let the domestic crowd cry to the networks to drag their sorry asses into the 21st century.



    Yes, I know that. Do you know that Apple is releasing the iPhone in the US first, so anything we have to say about its roll out is necessarily specifically about that?



    Apple has been quite clear why it chose the set-up it did for the American roll out, and it is because of the relatively poor coverage of 3G service. They have also said they will go 3G in America as soon as the coverage makes that sensible.



    To claim that means Apple has simply forsworn 3G worldwide, or Apple's choices in America reveal some kind of US provincialism, is pointlessly contentious.
  • Reply 118 of 144
    hirohiro Posts: 2,663member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post


    Yeah ok adda. It is an iPod with a phone as an afterthought. I WANT to buy this thing! If it doesn't suck. I seem to be the only person here or even the mass media that sees the massive deficiencies that may ultimately lead to the complete cancellation of this product line. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little. But they need to see that it won't sell if it can't be used in a car (sorry, I don't care if it's not safe, everyone does it, sort of like smoking, driving faster than 65mph, eating butter, etc.)



    It has bluetooth, why wouldn't you be able to use it in a car?



    Quote:

    Also I wouldn't be surprised if it lacks things like vibrate. No VOIP of course because they have succumbed to The Man.



    Possibly, possibly not. Nobody outside the product team really knows for sure.



    Quote:

    No iLife/MS Office compatibility is another strike.



    Getting awfully sure here in the negative column. These are pretty big, but you are forgetting that Leopard & iWork07(probably) are due out before the phone is. I would stake my left nut that a version of iWork or at least it's Office document readers will be available for iPhone. Maybe for sale, not free, but definitely available.



    Quote:

    Outlook is a big deal...don't know how they'd tackle that though, that's probably just hopeless but it nonetheless hurts.



    Outlook email isn't such a big deal, any decent mail client can do what Outlook phone clients do. Syncing Outlook address books and schedules would be huge for businesses though, gotta agree with that. Joe Schmuckatelli not using it for work couldn't care though.



    Quote:

    Voice dialing is needed.



    Nice, not needed. Think future upgrade.



    Quote:

    3rd party apps (even if they need to be "approved" are need. We should be able to write out own widgets though. I'll probably write a letter but I assumed someone smarter than me would, and add things on I didn't think of.



    They will come, just not out of every morons dev house.



    Quote:

    Basically, I could probably do phone things faster with my phone than the iPhone. That's the whole point. Without LOOKING too. Come on most of you place calls in your car. I guess Apple will just have to have great voice navigation.



    That's all muscle memory for the specific phone you have. Get a new phone, relearn it until you are fast. No different here, voice nav doesn't change this. Again, get a new phone and you need to look at it until you know it cold, that takes quite a bit of use. So, same problems in a car no matter what new phone you buy.



    Quote:

    But I digress. I bet they will add more/have stuff up their sleeve. And we really don't know anything about it yet. After all that time I still feel there is stuff we don't know about it.

    Time will tell. And as for GPS that should come in a very high end edition but obviously not the standard one until maybe 5 years from now when it's affordable. That'd be SICK though. Team up with Trimble or Magellan like I've said.



    Especially if you could plug in a SICK laser too! (Yes SICK is a brand/type of laser!) Let your robotics mind go wild!
  • Reply 119 of 144
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post


    Yeah ok adda. It is an iPod with a phone as an afterthought. I WANT to buy this thing! If it doesn't suck. I seem to be the only person here or even the mass media that sees the massive deficiencies that may ultimately lead to the complete cancellation of this product line. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little. But they need to see that it won't sell if it can't be used in a car (sorry, I don't care if it's not safe, everyone does it, sort of like smoking, driving faster than 65mph, eating butter, etc.) Also I wouldn't be surprised if it lacks things like vibrate. No VOIP of course because they have succumbed to The Man. No iLife/MS Office compatibility is another strike. Outlook is a big deal...don't know how they'd tackle that though, that's probably just hopeless but it nonetheless hurts. Voice dialing is needed. 3rd party apps (even if they need to be "approved" are need. We should be able to write out own widgets though. I'll probably write a letter but I assumed someone smarter than me would, and add things on I didn't think of. Basically, I could probably do phone things faster with my phone than the iPhone. That's the whole point. Without LOOKING too. Come on most of you place calls in your car. I guess Apple will just have to have great voice navigation.



    But I digress. I bet they will add more/have stuff up their sleeve. And we really don't know anything about it yet. After all that time I still feel there is stuff we don't know about it.

    Time will tell. And as for GPS that should come in a very high end edition but obviously not the standard one until maybe 5 years from now when it's affordable. That'd be SICK though. Team up with Trimble or Magellan like I've said.



    Well, some of that is not clear (vibrate, voice navigation), some of it is not Apple's fault (VOIP), some of it seems inevitable (iLife, Office and Outlook compatibility), and I honestly believe that none of it is a fatal blow compared to what it does do and how it does it.



    EDIT: what Hiro said.
  • Reply 120 of 144
    Well, it was just reported on Engadget that iPhone's widescreen isn't legit widescreen, 16:9 ratio. That's quite depressing. I hope they fix that, I really do.
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