Funny the Photoshop team made use of the Extras.rsrc in all the widgets it uses. Illustrator uses the SAME widgets but needed "custom" resources. The Photoshop team has it going on.. what can I say. It's out of pure laziness applenut. A GUI is supposed to be system wide. Something Apple used to take pride in. Read the basic Human Interface Guidelines sometime. Using custom widgets for something the Extras.rsrc doesn't supply is one thing.. using them just out of laziness is another. Both Office X and Illustrator does this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read the HIG. actually every revision since DP3 thank you.
I agree. they should tyr their best to stick to the extras.rsrc but sometimes they need to add things and change things.
saying Office sucks because it does that is just dumb
perhaps the opinion is that if they have to use custom UI items they may as well make changes else where.
no?<hr></blockquote></strong>
No there was absolutely no place in Illustrator that they HAD to use custom GUI widgets.
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any examples other than that color thing in Office by the way?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes Office stores tons of GUI widgets it's its resources. It even draws it's own stripes n the menus .. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
If you compare with Premiere, FCP 3 has a very good look. When you work with video footage, you have to focus on the video image. The UI must be very fonctionnal (like FCP 3) and "clean". Some aesthetic is ok, but operability is a prime directive.
J. Houle
editing at TVL 3
[quote]Originally posted by Talibabble:
<strong>Well, I saw a snapshot of FCP 3 on OSX and Apple only partially aqua-fied it. It looks really bad. Either totally aquafy it or keep the old UI but now its just seems funky. It is a shame becuase Microsoft did a great job on IE and other apps and Apple failed to do it with its own marquee product. (Although they did do a good job on QT and iMovie, iTunes). They got timid. I would really now look forward to FCP 3.1 when they get it really done.
On the other hand, their are many great new features and improvements like voice over, r/t effects and offline r/t, color enhancements and titleing sw that make it worth the $299 upgrade.
What are your thoughts on the UI?
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Talibabble: Don't listen to a word I say from my cave</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Office v. X does not work great, and it's certainly not a tremendous first effort (why didn't you same about Apple when they released Mac OS X?).
The Aqua interface is only skin deep (as so much else in Microsoft apps on the Mac), and again they have shown that they are color blind:
Gee, it took me a whopping five minutes to make this:
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: JLL ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not to mention that custom graphic they used could have been grabbed from the Extras.rsc.
(looking in the direction of sinewave
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Funny the Photoshop team made use of the Extras.rsrc in all the widgets it uses. Illustrator uses the SAME widgets but needed "custom" resources. The Photoshop team has it going on.. what can I say. It's out of pure laziness applenut. A GUI is supposed to be system wide. Something Apple used to take pride in. Read the basic Human Interface Guidelines sometime. Using custom widgets for something the Extras.rsrc doesn't supply is one thing.. using them just out of laziness is another. Both Office X and Illustrator does this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read the HIG. actually every revision since DP3 thank you.
I agree. they should tyr their best to stick to the extras.rsrc but sometimes they need to add things and change things.
saying Office sucks because it does that is just dumb
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I read the HIG. actually every revision since DP3 thank you.<hr></blockquote></strong>
Yes but having a system wide consistent GUI is still a idea it tries to push.
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I agree. they should tyr their best to stick to the extras.rsrc but sometimes they need to add things and change things.
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Right and I understand this. It's just both Office and Illustrator uses added things that could have been grabbed from the Extras.rsrc
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saying Office sucks because it does that is just dumb</strong><hr></blockquote>
I never said Office sucked because of that. Office doesn't suck per say... but it isn't that great either.
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perhaps the opinion is that if they have to use custom UI items they may as well make changes else where.
no?
any examples other than that color thing in Office by the way?
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perhaps the opinion is that if they have to use custom UI items they may as well make changes else where.
no?<hr></blockquote></strong>
No there was absolutely no place in Illustrator that they HAD to use custom GUI widgets.
[quote]<strong>
any examples other than that color thing in Office by the way?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes Office stores tons of GUI widgets it's its resources. It even draws it's own stripes n the menus .. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
J. Houle
editing at TVL 3
[quote]Originally posted by Talibabble:
<strong>Well, I saw a snapshot of FCP 3 on OSX and Apple only partially aqua-fied it. It looks really bad. Either totally aquafy it or keep the old UI but now its just seems funky. It is a shame becuase Microsoft did a great job on IE and other apps and Apple failed to do it with its own marquee product. (Although they did do a good job on QT and iMovie, iTunes). They got timid. I would really now look forward to FCP 3.1 when they get it really done.
On the other hand, their are many great new features and improvements like voice over, r/t effects and offline r/t, color enhancements and titleing sw that make it worth the $299 upgrade.
What are your thoughts on the UI?
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Talibabble: Don't listen to a word I say from my cave</strong><hr></blockquote>
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