We don't know if it's meant to replace cable at some point.
But TimeWarner here in NYC has hundreds of channels, and I watch programs from more than a few.
You would have to assume that Apple would have most of the hundreds of programs broadcast every day, to enable people to find just that very one they want to see. That might happen some day, but most likely, it will be with advertising. Free Tv is still on many peoples minds. Do you want to pay $14 a month to listen to the radio?
I think "class" is a byproduct of Apple making profits. If that changes, so will the "class".
We were never going to see video on a small portable device either.
When the Video looks great, why not?
One more thing, Apple isn't after being the All In One Everything Solution that Microsoft hopes to be in the Non Existent Future. They want to make great products and deliver great content, and make money off of that.
In other words, I don't see it in Apple's future. At least not the Immediate future.
Because Jobs said that it would be a terrible experience, and that it was a very bad idea.
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One more thing, Apple isn't after being the All In One Everything Solution that Microsoft hopes to be in the Non Existent Future. They want to make great products and deliver great content, and make money off of that.
In other words, I don't see it in Apple's future.
It wouldn't make them the all in everything company. It would be offering customers a choice, which is what Jobs and company keep telling us is what they are trying to do.
Because Jobs said that it would be a terrible experience, and that it was a very bad idea.
And yet it's not so bad an experience after all. They made it work and the offered ample HDD storage for it.
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It wouldn't make them the all in everything company. It would be offering customers a choice, which is what Jobs and company keep telling us is what they are trying to do.
True, but they don't offer everything, and this is one of the things I still don't see Apple doing.
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I could see some kind of deal where you tube videos could be watched on directly on Apple TV S
set top thingy
Youtube and Google are currently being attacked about Copyright issues on their respective sites and you're suggesting Apple would possibly strike a deal and lose the trust of the Media companies? Youtube states that they are a clip site. They offer clips, not shows or movies. So unless you're really hankering to to watch somebodies pixelated webcam videocasts on your TV, I don't see why this would happen.
And yet it's not so bad an experience after all. They made it work and the offered ample HDD storage for it.
I'm not saying they didn't. Though, if truth be told, watching videos on a 5G iPod is not pleasant after the thrill of the first few unique experiences.
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True, but they don't offer everything, and this is one of the things I still don't see Apple doing.
You might not. But to refer back to my first point, almost no one on these boards thought that Apple would come out with a video iPod either, after Jobs had made his oft quoted remarks about why Apple wouldn't be doing it. In fact, many who now see it as a good idea, were against it then.
If Apple does this, most who think it won't, and can't happen, will change their "tune" about it as well.
I'm not saying they didn't. Though, if truth be told, watching videos on a 5G iPod is not pleasant after the thrill of the first few unique experiences.
You might not. But to refer back to my first point, almost no one on these boards thought that Apple would come out with a video iPod either, after Jobs had made his oft quoted remarks about why Apple wouldn't be doing it. In fact, many who now see it as a good idea, were against it then.
If Apple does this, most who think it won't, and can't happen, will change their "tune" about it as well.
Well a Thrill and a Viewing Experience is subjective to one's opinion.
Video on the iPod however was only natural evolution, and granted all the PVPs out back then, it's safe to assume the iPod killed that market.
It's not in Apple's natural Evolution to throw in another service like that, that isn't based off the iTunes store, and one that would potentially lead to more support of FairPlay.
Well a Thrill and a Viewing Experience is subjective to one's opinion.
Video on the iPod however was only natural evolution, and granted all the PVPs out back then, it's safe to assume the iPod killed that market.
It's not in Apple's natural Evolution to throw in another service like that, that isn't based off the iTunes store, and one that would potentially lead to more support of FairPlay.
Sebastian
It wasn't in Apple's "natural evolution" as a computer company to produce any portable music playing device, nor was the iTunes store part of Apple's natural evolution—until it became so.
It wasn't in Apple's "natural evolution" as a computer company to produce any portable music playing device, nor was the iTunes store part of Apple's natural evolution?until it became so.
Neither was a cell phone, but guess what!
No, but it was natural Evolution for the Music Playing device to also learn how to play Video, and the iTunes Store is Apple's "Great Wall of Content" for the use of defending against incompatible Janus services.
As for the Cell Phone... those things were on a crash course for convergence with the PDA years ago, that happened and Smartphones are the result. In their natural evolution, they became more like computers, and I'd call the iPhone a mini computer more then anything, no matter what the branding is.
No, but it was natural Evolution for the Music Playing device to also learn how to play Video, and the iTunes Store is Apple's "Great Wall of Content" for the use of defending against incompatible Janus services.
As for the Cell Phone... those things were on a crash course for convergence with the PDA years ago, that happened and Smartphones are the result. In their natural evolution, they became more like computers, and I'd call the iPhone a mini computer more then anything, no matter what the branding is.
Sebastian
The fact that these thing have come about just shows that the "new" Apple is very different in thinking from the old.
The fact that these thing have come about just shows that the "new" Apple is very different in thinking from the old.
Don't put anything past them.
The fact that these things came about show that Apple isn't being run by idiots anymore. Newsflash, Apple quickly became irrelevant the day Steve Jobs brought John Sculley on board and the day the Pirate Flag went up over the Macintosh building. From beginning till End the Macintosh destroyed Apple because while the Apple II was a great success, just about the entire board of directors forgot it existed. Hell it was even worse when the idea of the Apple III came around, but fortunately that didn't last long.
Without the iPod, Apple would be irrelevant right now. Without NeXTstep Mac OS would've never evolved into anything more then that piece of crap System 7 (which I recently had the chance to emulate and if I had to choose between that and Windows 95.... well let's just say I'm glad I never had to)
Every other attempt Apple tried to make to branch out before hand resulted in a disasterous attempt like the Pippin or the MacintoshTV, which really hurt the company because their computer business was going downhill.
Further, if Apple doesn't continue looking for the next big thing it will be irrelevant. Introducing the iPhone and AppleTV. 2 extensions of the iPod, but one has the added bonus of being an entire product category on it's own by using a hybrid of Apple tech.
Considering we are analyzing Apple and not predicting the future, I'm putting this one past them until further notice for the following reasons:
It's not a consumer oriented package
It's not Apple (for now)
It doesn't fall in line with their current business strategy.
iTunes Store is after all, not just a shield against Janus but a collection of content for Apple products so that people will actually want to use them. Their current store is doing very well, over 2 Billion songs, over 1.3 Million Movies, over 50 million TV shows, and probably a countless number of Podcasts downloaded in the iTunes Store. In addition to that:
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Open 24/7, the iTunes Store features more than 3.5 million 99¢ songs, 65,000 free podcasts, 20,000 audiobooks, 200 TV shows, and now, movies and iPod games. Find, download, play, and sync in a fraction of the time it takes to drive to any superstore.
Slightly out of date because I think I saw something about the number of songs being upped to 4 Million or more already, but even so, this is the kind of content portfolio anyone would have an extremely hard time arguing with. There's no room for an extra service at the moment.
Slightly out of date because I think I saw something about the number of songs being upped to 4 Million or more already, but even so, this is the kind of content portfolio anyone would have an extremely hard time arguing with. There's no room for an extra service at the moment.
-iTunes is just the old SoundJamMP with a new skin.
Definitely Dashboard is a flat out ripoff -there should have been a lawsuit there for sure. -Christ, Apple could have BOUGHT Konfabulator for peanuts, but they decided to rip them instead! -Not their finest hour.
Do we really have to go there again? Even the Konfabulator guys used to promote their app as a modern implementation of the original Mac OS Desktop Accessories. They conveniently deleted that from their site after Dashboard was rumored to exist. Who's stealing then?
None of it is stealing, what's old is new, that's all.
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We don't know if it's meant to replace cable at some point.
But TimeWarner here in NYC has hundreds of channels, and I watch programs from more than a few.
You would have to assume that Apple would have most of the hundreds of programs broadcast every day, to enable people to find just that very one they want to see. That might happen some day, but most likely, it will be with advertising. Free Tv is still on many peoples minds. Do you want to pay $14 a month to listen to the radio?
I think "class" is a byproduct of Apple making profits. If that changes, so will the "class".
We were never going to see video on a small portable device either.
When the Video looks great, why not?
One more thing, Apple isn't after being the All In One Everything Solution that Microsoft hopes to be in the Non Existent Future. They want to make great products and deliver great content, and make money off of that.
In other words, I don't see it in Apple's future. At least not the Immediate future.
Sebastian
When the Video looks great, why not?
Because Jobs said that it would be a terrible experience, and that it was a very bad idea.
One more thing, Apple isn't after being the All In One Everything Solution that Microsoft hopes to be in the Non Existent Future. They want to make great products and deliver great content, and make money off of that.
In other words, I don't see it in Apple's future.
It wouldn't make them the all in everything company. It would be offering customers a choice, which is what Jobs and company keep telling us is what they are trying to do.
At least not the Immediate future.
Yes, what I said.
set top thingy
Because Jobs said that it would be a terrible experience, and that it was a very bad idea.
And yet it's not so bad an experience after all. They made it work and the offered ample HDD storage for it.
It wouldn't make them the all in everything company. It would be offering customers a choice, which is what Jobs and company keep telling us is what they are trying to do.
True, but they don't offer everything, and this is one of the things I still don't see Apple doing.
I could see some kind of deal where you tube videos could be watched on directly on Apple TV S
set top thingy
Youtube and Google are currently being attacked about Copyright issues on their respective sites and you're suggesting Apple would possibly strike a deal and lose the trust of the Media companies? Youtube states that they are a clip site. They offer clips, not shows or movies. So unless you're really hankering to to watch somebodies pixelated webcam videocasts on your TV, I don't see why this would happen.
Sebastian
And yet it's not so bad an experience after all. They made it work and the offered ample HDD storage for it.
I'm not saying they didn't. Though, if truth be told, watching videos on a 5G iPod is not pleasant after the thrill of the first few unique experiences.
True, but they don't offer everything, and this is one of the things I still don't see Apple doing.
You might not. But to refer back to my first point, almost no one on these boards thought that Apple would come out with a video iPod either, after Jobs had made his oft quoted remarks about why Apple wouldn't be doing it. In fact, many who now see it as a good idea, were against it then.
If Apple does this, most who think it won't, and can't happen, will change their "tune" about it as well.
I'm not saying they didn't. Though, if truth be told, watching videos on a 5G iPod is not pleasant after the thrill of the first few unique experiences.
You might not. But to refer back to my first point, almost no one on these boards thought that Apple would come out with a video iPod either, after Jobs had made his oft quoted remarks about why Apple wouldn't be doing it. In fact, many who now see it as a good idea, were against it then.
If Apple does this, most who think it won't, and can't happen, will change their "tune" about it as well.
Well a Thrill and a Viewing Experience is subjective to one's opinion.
Video on the iPod however was only natural evolution, and granted all the PVPs out back then, it's safe to assume the iPod killed that market.
It's not in Apple's natural Evolution to throw in another service like that, that isn't based off the iTunes store, and one that would potentially lead to more support of FairPlay.
Sebastian
Well a Thrill and a Viewing Experience is subjective to one's opinion.
Video on the iPod however was only natural evolution, and granted all the PVPs out back then, it's safe to assume the iPod killed that market.
It's not in Apple's natural Evolution to throw in another service like that, that isn't based off the iTunes store, and one that would potentially lead to more support of FairPlay.
Sebastian
It wasn't in Apple's "natural evolution" as a computer company to produce any portable music playing device, nor was the iTunes store part of Apple's natural evolution—until it became so.
Neither was a cell phone, but guess what!
It wasn't in Apple's "natural evolution" as a computer company to produce any portable music playing device, nor was the iTunes store part of Apple's natural evolution?until it became so.
Neither was a cell phone, but guess what!
No, but it was natural Evolution for the Music Playing device to also learn how to play Video, and the iTunes Store is Apple's "Great Wall of Content" for the use of defending against incompatible Janus services.
As for the Cell Phone... those things were on a crash course for convergence with the PDA years ago, that happened and Smartphones are the result. In their natural evolution, they became more like computers, and I'd call the iPhone a mini computer more then anything, no matter what the branding is.
Sebastian
No, but it was natural Evolution for the Music Playing device to also learn how to play Video, and the iTunes Store is Apple's "Great Wall of Content" for the use of defending against incompatible Janus services.
As for the Cell Phone... those things were on a crash course for convergence with the PDA years ago, that happened and Smartphones are the result. In their natural evolution, they became more like computers, and I'd call the iPhone a mini computer more then anything, no matter what the branding is.
Sebastian
The fact that these thing have come about just shows that the "new" Apple is very different in thinking from the old.
Don't put anything past them.
The fact that these thing have come about just shows that the "new" Apple is very different in thinking from the old.
Don't put anything past them.
The fact that these things came about show that Apple isn't being run by idiots anymore. Newsflash, Apple quickly became irrelevant the day Steve Jobs brought John Sculley on board and the day the Pirate Flag went up over the Macintosh building. From beginning till End the Macintosh destroyed Apple because while the Apple II was a great success, just about the entire board of directors forgot it existed. Hell it was even worse when the idea of the Apple III came around, but fortunately that didn't last long.
Without the iPod, Apple would be irrelevant right now. Without NeXTstep Mac OS would've never evolved into anything more then that piece of crap System 7 (which I recently had the chance to emulate and if I had to choose between that and Windows 95.... well let's just say I'm glad I never had to)
Every other attempt Apple tried to make to branch out before hand resulted in a disasterous attempt like the Pippin or the MacintoshTV, which really hurt the company because their computer business was going downhill.
Further, if Apple doesn't continue looking for the next big thing it will be irrelevant. Introducing the iPhone and AppleTV. 2 extensions of the iPod, but one has the added bonus of being an entire product category on it's own by using a hybrid of Apple tech.
Considering we are analyzing Apple and not predicting the future, I'm putting this one past them until further notice for the following reasons:
- It's not a consumer oriented package
- It's not Apple (for now)
- It doesn't fall in line with their current business strategy.
iTunes Store is after all, not just a shield against Janus but a collection of content for Apple products so that people will actually want to use them. Their current store is doing very well, over 2 Billion songs, over 1.3 Million Movies, over 50 million TV shows, and probably a countless number of Podcasts downloaded in the iTunes Store. In addition to that:Open 24/7, the iTunes Store features more than 3.5 million 99¢ songs, 65,000 free podcasts, 20,000 audiobooks, 200 TV shows, and now, movies and iPod games. Find, download, play, and sync in a fraction of the time it takes to drive to any superstore.
Slightly out of date because I think I saw something about the number of songs being upped to 4 Million or more already, but even so, this is the kind of content portfolio anyone would have an extremely hard time arguing with. There's no room for an extra service at the moment.
Sebastian
Slightly out of date because I think I saw something about the number of songs being upped to 4 Million or more already, but even so, this is the kind of content portfolio anyone would have an extremely hard time arguing with. There's no room for an extra service at the moment.
Sebastian
It is over 4 million.
Ah, the old "Buy or Build?"
-iTunes is just the old SoundJamMP with a new skin.
Definitely Dashboard is a flat out ripoff -there should have been a lawsuit there for sure. -Christ, Apple could have BOUGHT Konfabulator for peanuts, but they decided to rip them instead! -Not their finest hour.
Do we really have to go there again? Even the Konfabulator guys used to promote their app as a modern implementation of the original Mac OS Desktop Accessories. They conveniently deleted that from their site after Dashboard was rumored to exist. Who's stealing then?
None of it is stealing, what's old is new, that's all.
It is over 4 million.
Then there's even less of a reason to change their current business model for iTunes.
Sebastian
Then there's even less of a reason to change their current business model for iTunes.
Sebastian
But I don't know what you mean by saying that there is "no room". What room? This is the web, room is almost infinite, to all intents and purposes.
Apple could have 8 million songs, 5,00 Tv shows, and 5,000 movies, and there would still be room.
Unless you were joking, in which case...
But I don't know what you mean by saying that there is "no room". What room? This is the web, room is almost infinite, to all intents and purposes.
Apple could have 8 million songs, 5,00 Tv shows, and 5,000 movies, and there would still be room.
Unless you were joking, in which case...
I mean their current model is working fine, and in my opinion, works better.
But if you want to talk literal room... I don't think Apple has the Server bandwith to actually handle all of it.
Sebastian
I mean their current model is working fine, and in my opinion, works better.
But if you want to talk literal room... I don't think Apple has the Server bandwith to actually handle all of it.
Sebastian
They use Akamai, unless that has changed.