I have some very very high ranking people in my family in government... they and their associates all say it,the police state is coming and people need to wake up.
so i do know what i am talking about.
and yes they do want everyone implanted! their are official documents out their that state so, you can read for yourself.
Dam ! Most of the time I just smile at the cops . . . they never know I 'm wanted !
Now they'll set their scanners to check everyone who comes with in range !
Can I put tin foil around my drivers license ( Real ID) ), my head or iphone so they can't read me ?
Better yet, I'm willing to help finance a start up that manufactures fake RIFD broadcast devices so that no one can scan you/your RIFD(s) without your knowledge ! I'm sure we can get a great start on THINKGEEK . .. from there BestBuy , Sears . . . EBAY . . . Guantanimo Bay !
Moreover, it's really not that hard to configure an Apple wireless network . After you've done it once or twice, it's really the equivalent of setting up your stereo or cable box . . . then again ?
Seriously, does anyone know if we'll be able to encrypt and or password protect these things?
Will these RIFD's be able access my Wifi /Airport G/N network, even if it's invisible , encrypted and password protected . . . without my inputting the the info ? After I do will it be able to give the info away , say to itunes when I download a movie ?
Seems we're getting very close to some of the best reasons to avoid Microsoft !
Maybe this is why Steve had a wired earpiece instead of a Bluetooth one with that invisible iphone in his pocket ?
RFID is a government program they are designed to be non secure...
they want them so very badly in humans, they want to make an RFID world where everything and everyone is tagged... and since theft is so easy with this things people being scanned and robbed from far away via a remote,we will beg them to put up the police state they already intend for us,the government can also evict somone from society with the press of a button if they dont find you appealing to their order, or if you speak out against them.......... this is no joke,that is the plan!,WE and APPLE should not support RFID in any way shape or form for that would be supporting the cause. and also supporting Nazi IBM.
NO JOKE... this whole RFID thing has me concerned and i do have some Insider info,we should all be very concerned about what this means for humanity if we allow this.
and by the way some of the latest chips for humans do more than id...
they have cerebral control capabilites...
DOWN WITH RFID!!!
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are not out to get you.
However all RFID chips are fairly easy to detect and FRY with the right equiptment. A little too much power on that signal that activates them and thry fry nicely.
RFID tags are being inserted in all kinds of clothing items, if someone knows what you purchased and can get the serial as you leave the store, they can find you next time you wear that item if you are close enough to them.
A lot of books, CD's, computers and most items you purchase have them. Then again a lot of cars and phones have GPS chips on them even if you did not turn it on, they can be activated to locate you.
There is a lot to dislike about RFID and GPS.
However I don't sugest you fry the GPS in the above Apple equiptment as it would likely stop working completly or at least that feature will.
RFID in passports can be used to target you and follow you and they are almost a kid game to duplicate the data in the chip.
There are credit cards with them built in, they can follow you by your purchases and by you coming close to sensors even if you buy nothing.
How about that gas pass and the office id card, how about your driver license?
RFID is everywhere and getting worse, zap as many as you can.
There was a case not long ago where in order to enter the computer room in this one company, people had to get an RFID implanted under the skin. The newspapers got a hold of the story and the company said that it was voluntary to get the implant, but what they meant was it was voluntary if you did not wanted a job that requires you to enter the computer room.
RFIDs don't need their own power supply. They are transponders which activate by the power of transient radio waves.
It's kind of like the difference between a a television set and an oil painting: The television set provides its own light source. Getting data from an RFID tag is like shining a flashlight on an oil painting to see it. In this scenario, the computer's wi-fi components act as both flashlights and eyeballs. Transponders need no internal power source to transmit their data anymore than the pigments in an oil painting need their own internal light source to be seen.
Fear of the unknown is always there in the ignorant.
It's always easier to attack a person than to generate a logical argument. Call me ignorant, but I think there are merits to both sides of this one, and fear has little to do with it.
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Originally Posted by EagerDragon
There is a lot to dislike about RFID and GPS.
I concur, and I think it's always important to be vigilant. If we can debate ad infinitum about the ramifications of something like the Patriot Act, surely we can discuss the issues related to this kind of technology and remain within the bounds of civility.
I have some very very high ranking people in my family in government... they and their associates all say it,the police state is coming and people need to wake up.
so i do know what i am talking about.
and yes they do want everyone implanted! their are official documents out their that state so, you can read for yourself.
Well, a few things. . .
RFID tags are pretty harmless. I know this, because I used to work for an RFID company. In fact, I developed RFID products. Biometrics is much more of a "big brother" type of technology. Here's why. . .
The kind of RFID tags that are small, cheap, and can be embedded in a card, passport, or person all require that the reader supplies it electricity via magnetic induction. The read range for these types of tags is low - like less than one meter. There are some 900MHz and microwave tags out there that can achieve greater range, but the 900MHz tags are too large to be inconspicuous, and the microwave tags (2.4GHz) are interferred with by the human body.
If you are paranoid, wrap your stuff in foil. But, seriously, you're a lot better off with RFID. Most credit card and identity theft still comes from over-the-shoulder peeking. With RFID cards, that's gone -- you can even keep them safely tucked inside your wallet.
Implanting won't succeed because it's not impossible to fake. In fact, it's not actually that hard to fake the kind of low-frequency tags that are generally used for subdermal identification. Also, at this frequency band the induction range drops of with range as a power of 6. So even with a 1 million watt subdermal RFID reader, it's not going to reach more than a few meters at the most.
This sounds like a bad idea to me because it opens security hole in which someone could create a malicious RFID tag, slap it under your desk, and re-rout your DNS through their own malicious proxies.
Wouldn't they still have to have a wireless router within range? The article leads me to believe that the RFID tag would only transmit configuration information so you don't have to type it yourself. It seems to me that this would prevent me from having to type a WPA password when I try to connect to a network. Also, the use of the word "synchronized" in the article implies to me that there's some kind of user interaction (ex, "Mac OS X has detected a new Wireless network named, "SuperSecretNSANetwork" in range. Would you like to join this network?"). I seriously doubt it would join a network without a yes/no/always dialog.
Now, if the NSA had a wireless router in every home, then I'd be worried. But not because of the automatic RFID configuration.
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Originally Posted by Catman4d2
RFID is a government program they are designed to be non secure...
they want them so very badly in humans
I almost stopped reading your post at this point, but I'm glad I didn't because...
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Originally Posted by Catman4d2
Nazi IBM.
LOL
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Originally Posted by Splinemodel
I don't see the benefit of RFID here. It may as well just use the existing 2.4GHz radio, which becomes a firmware-only patch.
I suspect they want to use passive RFID because of the low power requirements and the limited range.
It's actually a pretty interesting idea... I imagine this could be used to toggle power to the Wi-fi antenna based on whether there's a network in range. Say I'm taking my computer to a friend's house -- I'm on battery power so OS X has the Wi-fi antenna turned off to maximize battery life. I get within range of my friend's router and, without wasting any battery power, OS X detects the network and asks me if I want to connect to the it. I say "yes", the antenna gets power, and I have connectivity without having to ask for or type any passwords. That's pretty slick. The power savings might be minimal, but every little bit counts.
I have some very very high ranking people in my family in government... they and their associates all say it,the police state is coming and people need to wake up.
so i do know what i am talking about.
and yes they do want everyone implanted! their are official documents out their that state so, you can read for yourself.
I think you'll need to provide better information than that. I have not been able to find any confirmation of the information you gave re: RFID.
It's always easier to attack a person than to generate a logical argument. Call me ignorant, but I think there are merits to both sides of this one, and fear has little to do with it.
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Originally Posted by EagerDragon
There is a lot to dislike about RFID and GPS.
I concur, and I think it's always important to be vigilant. If we can debate ad infinitum about the ramifications of something like the Patriot Act, surely we can discuss the issues related to this kind of technology and remain within the bounds of civility.
EagerDragon - Ummmm - I did not noticed being out of line in any way, what exactly was not civil?
as consumer products are generated to link to your network, and more and more network devices, IT'S A PAIN SETTING IT ALL UP, think a bout a power failure, my wife hates all this because i'm the only one to reprogram these messes. EASE OF USE is paramount. can you imagine no setup time??? more consumers would adopt like droves to go apple for the setup security it offers. this is again, why the apple model and not the MS model works.....control hardware, software, connection, setup experience. and you know all those "compatible" routers, network drives, are a royal pain to setup and holy moly if it goes down or can't connect. the solution was out there and it took apple to see the benefits....FIRST. bravo apple.
as consumer products are generated to link to your network, and more and more network devices, IT'S A PAIN SETTING IT ALL UP, think a bout a power failure, my wife hates all this because i'm the only one to reprogram these messes. EASE OF USE is paramount. can you imagine no setup time??? more consumers would adopt like droves to go apple for the setup security it offers. this is again, why the apple model and not the MS model works.....control hardware, software, connection, setup experience. and you know all those "compatible" routers, network drives, are a royal pain to setup and holy moly if it goes down or can't connect. the solution was out there and it took apple to see the benefits....FIRST. bravo apple.
I have had so few poblems I fail to see the "bennies" to which you refer> sounds like a "red herring" to me. and apparently i'm not the only one in this thread that think so....
(though I don't trust him at all, I mean he talks about global warning and all throughout his polital hand job of a film drives a huge SUV throughout the whole thing ?)
Big deal on the SUV. The private jet he flies around in to give his lectures creates enough pollution in one flight that his SUV creates in a year. [1]
[1] Or so I've heard though i have no hard data and no interest to research it.
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so i do know what i am talking about.
and yes they do want everyone implanted! their are official documents out their that state so, you can read for yourself.
Dam ! Most of the time I just smile at the cops . . . they never know I 'm wanted !
Now they'll set their scanners to check everyone who comes with in range !
Can I put tin foil around my drivers license ( Real ID) ), my head or iphone so they can't read me ?
Better yet, I'm willing to help finance a start up that manufactures fake RIFD broadcast devices so that no one can scan you/your RIFD(s) without your knowledge !
Moreover, it's really not that hard to configure an Apple wireless network . After you've done it once or twice, it's really the equivalent of setting up your stereo or cable box . . . then again ?
Seriously, does anyone know if we'll be able to encrypt and or password protect these things?
Will these RIFD's be able access my Wifi /Airport G/N network, even if it's invisible , encrypted and password protected . . . without my inputting the the info ? After I do will it be able to give the info away , say to itunes when I download a movie ?
Seems we're getting very close to some of the best reasons to avoid Microsoft !
Maybe this is why Steve had a wired earpiece instead of a Bluetooth one with that invisible iphone in his pocket ?
RFID is a government program they are designed to be non secure...
they want them so very badly in humans, they want to make an RFID world where everything and everyone is tagged... and since theft is so easy with this things people being scanned and robbed from far away via a remote,we will beg them to put up the police state they already intend for us,the government can also evict somone from society with the press of a button if they dont find you appealing to their order, or if you speak out against them.......... this is no joke,that is the plan!,WE and APPLE should not support RFID in any way shape or form for that would be supporting the cause. and also supporting Nazi IBM.
NO JOKE... this whole RFID thing has me concerned and i do have some Insider info,we should all be very concerned about what this means for humanity if we allow this.
dont take my word for it... Visit www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com
for more info...
and by the way some of the latest chips for humans do more than id...
they have cerebral control capabilites...
DOWN WITH RFID!!!
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are not out to get you.
However all RFID chips are fairly easy to detect and FRY with the right equiptment. A little too much power on that signal that activates them and thry fry nicely.
RFID tags are being inserted in all kinds of clothing items, if someone knows what you purchased and can get the serial as you leave the store, they can find you next time you wear that item if you are close enough to them.
A lot of books, CD's, computers and most items you purchase have them. Then again a lot of cars and phones have GPS chips on them even if you did not turn it on, they can be activated to locate you.
There is a lot to dislike about RFID and GPS.
However I don't sugest you fry the GPS in the above Apple equiptment as it would likely stop working completly or at least that feature will.
RFID in passports can be used to target you and follow you and they are almost a kid game to duplicate the data in the chip.
There are credit cards with them built in, they can follow you by your purchases and by you coming close to sensors even if you buy nothing.
How about that gas pass and the office id card, how about your driver license?
RFID is everywhere and getting worse, zap as many as you can.
There was a case not long ago where in order to enter the computer room in this one company, people had to get an RFID implanted under the skin. The newspapers got a hold of the story and the company said that it was voluntary to get the implant, but what they meant was it was voluntary if you did not wanted a job that requires you to enter the computer room.
Plenty of reason to worry
PS. I am a security consultant
RFIDs don't need their own power supply. They are transponders which activate by the power of transient radio waves.
It's kind of like the difference between a a television set and an oil painting: The television set provides its own light source. Getting data from an RFID tag is like shining a flashlight on an oil painting to see it. In this scenario, the computer's wi-fi components act as both flashlights and eyeballs. Transponders need no internal power source to transmit their data anymore than the pigments in an oil painting need their own internal light source to be seen.
Nice Metaphor ! Cool !
Fear of the unknown is always there in the ignorant.
It's always easier to attack a person than to generate a logical argument. Call me ignorant, but I think there are merits to both sides of this one, and fear has little to do with it.
There is a lot to dislike about RFID and GPS.
I concur, and I think it's always important to be vigilant. If we can debate ad infinitum about the ramifications of something like the Patriot Act, surely we can discuss the issues related to this kind of technology and remain within the bounds of civility.
I have some very very high ranking people in my family in government... they and their associates all say it,the police state is coming and people need to wake up.
so i do know what i am talking about.
and yes they do want everyone implanted! their are official documents out their that state so, you can read for yourself.
Well, a few things. . .
RFID tags are pretty harmless. I know this, because I used to work for an RFID company. In fact, I developed RFID products. Biometrics is much more of a "big brother" type of technology. Here's why. . .
The kind of RFID tags that are small, cheap, and can be embedded in a card, passport, or person all require that the reader supplies it electricity via magnetic induction. The read range for these types of tags is low - like less than one meter. There are some 900MHz and microwave tags out there that can achieve greater range, but the 900MHz tags are too large to be inconspicuous, and the microwave tags (2.4GHz) are interferred with by the human body.
If you are paranoid, wrap your stuff in foil. But, seriously, you're a lot better off with RFID. Most credit card and identity theft still comes from over-the-shoulder peeking. With RFID cards, that's gone -- you can even keep them safely tucked inside your wallet.
Implanting won't succeed because it's not impossible to fake. In fact, it's not actually that hard to fake the kind of low-frequency tags that are generally used for subdermal identification. Also, at this frequency band the induction range drops of with range as a power of 6. So even with a 1 million watt subdermal RFID reader, it's not going to reach more than a few meters at the most.
This sounds like a bad idea to me because it opens security hole in which someone could create a malicious RFID tag, slap it under your desk, and re-rout your DNS through their own malicious proxies.
Wouldn't they still have to have a wireless router within range? The article leads me to believe that the RFID tag would only transmit configuration information so you don't have to type it yourself. It seems to me that this would prevent me from having to type a WPA password when I try to connect to a network. Also, the use of the word "synchronized" in the article implies to me that there's some kind of user interaction (ex, "Mac OS X has detected a new Wireless network named, "SuperSecretNSANetwork" in range. Would you like to join this network?"). I seriously doubt it would join a network without a yes/no/always dialog.
Now, if the NSA had a wireless router in every home, then I'd be worried. But not because of the automatic RFID configuration.
RFID is a government program they are designed to be non secure...
they want them so very badly in humans
I almost stopped reading your post at this point, but I'm glad I didn't because...
Nazi IBM.
LOL
I don't see the benefit of RFID here. It may as well just use the existing 2.4GHz radio, which becomes a firmware-only patch.
I suspect they want to use passive RFID because of the low power requirements and the limited range.
It's actually a pretty interesting idea... I imagine this could be used to toggle power to the Wi-fi antenna based on whether there's a network in range. Say I'm taking my computer to a friend's house -- I'm on battery power so OS X has the Wi-fi antenna turned off to maximize battery life. I get within range of my friend's router and, without wasting any battery power, OS X detects the network and asks me if I want to connect to the it. I say "yes", the antenna gets power, and I have connectivity without having to ask for or type any passwords. That's pretty slick. The power savings might be minimal, but every little bit counts.
I have some very very high ranking people in my family in government... they and their associates all say it,the police state is coming and people need to wake up.
so i do know what i am talking about.
and yes they do want everyone implanted! their are official documents out their that state so, you can read for yourself.
I think you'll need to provide better information than that. I have not been able to find any confirmation of the information you gave re: RFID.
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/...s_the_rfi.html
It's always easier to attack a person than to generate a logical argument. Call me ignorant, but I think there are merits to both sides of this one, and fear has little to do with it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EagerDragon
There is a lot to dislike about RFID and GPS.
I concur, and I think it's always important to be vigilant. If we can debate ad infinitum about the ramifications of something like the Patriot Act, surely we can discuss the issues related to this kind of technology and remain within the bounds of civility.
EagerDragon - Ummmm - I did not noticed being out of line in any way, what exactly was not civil?
How about they stop fuggin up Wifi right now. That last update killed my connection. The fix was simple, but still, I was pissed.
Not sure that has anything to do with this thread, but I'm glad you got the situation resolved.
.....So far as I'm concerned, this is a raging example of " boiling the frog.".....
as consumer products are generated to link to your network, and more and more network devices, IT'S A PAIN SETTING IT ALL UP, think a bout a power failure, my wife hates all this because i'm the only one to reprogram these messes. EASE OF USE is paramount. can you imagine no setup time??? more consumers would adopt like droves to go apple for the setup security it offers. this is again, why the apple model and not the MS model works.....control hardware, software, connection, setup experience. and you know all those "compatible" routers, network drives, are a royal pain to setup and holy moly if it goes down or can't connect. the solution was out there and it took apple to see the benefits....FIRST. bravo apple.
I have had so few poblems I fail to see the "bennies" to which you refer> sounds like a "red herring" to me. and apparently i'm not the only one in this thread that think so....
(though I don't trust him at all, I mean he talks about global warning and all throughout his polital hand job of a film drives a huge SUV throughout the whole thing ?)
Big deal on the SUV. The private jet he flies around in to give his lectures creates enough pollution in one flight that his SUV creates in a year. [1]
[1] Or so I've heard though i have no hard data and no interest to research it.