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Is it just me or are the MacBook Pro internal speakers LOUDER now?
i felt like that was the case too and thought maybe i was dreaming, but at least there's one other person out there who feels the same. about time they made it louder.
I'm on 10.4.9 now, and after 2 restarts iCal alerts still appear to the right side of the screen. I didn't realize that it was a widespread problem until seeing it posted here.
you're right, you do have to hold down the eject key. is that the way it's supposed to be? i find it kind of annoying since i'm used to tapping the key but i'm sure i'll get used to it.
thanks
After reading this I tried it on my laptop... I love EVERYTHING about this keyboard over every single other one that I have tried..... Except the eject button, well now it works great! no more bumping! And since I type so quickly, even if I hit it directly on it will not eject.
i felt like that was the case too and thought maybe i was dreaming, but at least there's one other person out there who feels the same. about time they made it louder.
Just hope that they didn't lose sound quality... Once I finish testing 10.4.9 and deploy it on the laptops I'll have to check into that...
It's definitely no dream...I'd say the audio is at least twice as loud! Other users have also reported this improvement.
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i felt like that was the case too and thought maybe i was dreaming, but at least there's one other person out there who feels the same. about time they made it louder.
No reason to believe they lost sound quality. My 17" MBP speakers handle the audio up to full volume for most things which is now quite loud. The 17" MBP speakers are the best laptop speakers I've heard...still doesn't compare to a low-end hi-fi but what do u expect...
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Originally Posted by EruIthildur
Just hope that they didn't lose sound quality... Once I finish testing 10.4.9 and deploy it on the laptops I'll have to check into that...
No reason to believe they lost sound quality. My 17" MBP speakers handle the audio up to full volume for most things which is now quite loud. The 17" MBP speakers are the best laptop speakers I've heard...still doesn't compare to a low-end hi-fi but what do u expect...
If the max level is increased, it can cause problems with peaking. Within reason, it's probably better that the user can chose this though, because some tracks are very quiet.
I think the 17" might have better speakers because of the room afforded in a slightly larger case. The speakers on my 15" are kind of irritating.
I definitely think there's something to this. We know that Apple has stuff intended for Leopard that devs aren't even getting a look at - so why wouldn't they leave a few bugs in to throw people off the scent? They know that NDAs aren't going to patch leaks, so it's better to just throw a red herring out there.
Seeing as one of the Apple Design Awards at WWDC is for best Leopard app, I'd be extremely surprised if Leopard isn't out at least a month prior to that. People are going to want to get familiar with it prior to the workshops and stuff. And isn't Steve's keynote on the last day of WWDC?
The more and more I think about Leopard at WWDC, the less sense it makes.
I think we'll see a ship date announced at NAB, and it'll be the same day as a totally Leopard exclusive Final Cut 6.
All great points.
But no, Steve's keynote is always the first day at WWDC.
Does anyone remember the time it took for Apple to go from their last update to Panther (Mac OS 10.3) before Tiger (Mac OS 10.4) came out? If I remember correctly it was pretty quick...
I just think that's what you're led to believe. I myself have a strong suspicion there's a super secret build inside Cuper and all developers are being had. A lot of the bugs that were in the build before the current one are still there, it just strikes me as a bit suspicious the huge amount of bugs Apple left unfixed.
Great. If that's what Apple wants to do, that's up to them. But if they do, its sheer stupidity. The whole point of developer releases is to make sure developer's software works with your OS. If Apple releases Leopard and there's great incompatibility with other apps, make sure you place your blame solely where it belongs, on Apple's shoulders.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
Internal builds are always ahead of what developers get, sometimes over a month ahead. We're coming up on two years in development, there's a suspicious amount of bug for that much work IMO, and mistakes they made with Tiger will be reduced for Leopard.
Apple has notably left bugs open for a long periods of time. That's not new for them. Plus, if they're busy adding in all those super-secret features and stuff, they probably aren't working on bug fixes at this point.
All I can say is that the earlier it comes, the more likely its going to have problems, both within itself (because it hadn't been tested by enough people on the outside in enough configurations with enough third-party software) and incompatibilities with third-party apps, all of which is going to keep people from upgrading. So, there really isn't a need to get it out earlier, if people end up holding off until June anyway.
And with all the problems vista has with compatibiltiy (amazing how much of MS's own software is incompatible), do we really want apple to face the same type of bad press?
But no, Steve's keynote is always the first day at WWDC.
That's what I thought, that the idea of a keynote is to set the tone for a conference and often to kick it off. The Mac dictionary definition pretty much says this.
Does anyone remember the time it took for Apple to go from their last update to Panther (Mac OS 10.3) before Tiger (Mac OS 10.4) came out? If I remember correctly it was pretty quick...
I thought that 10.3.9 was released a little bit after Tiger was.
Does anyone remember the time it took for Apple to go from their last update to Panther (Mac OS 10.3) before Tiger (Mac OS 10.4) came out? If I remember correctly it was pretty quick...
I'm not sure this is an entirely comparable scenario, though - I think that if anything, 10.3.9 was rushed to get Panther dead and buried in time for Tiger, which was ready to go long before 10.3.9 hit. I suspect this is going to be different.
And not everyone will be holding off the Leopard upgrade - I, for one, will be buying my new machine the day it hits, as I don't want to get it now only to spend £90 two months down the line, especially if there could be a hardware bump between now and then.
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Is it just me or are the MacBook Pro internal speakers LOUDER now?
i felt like that was the case too and thought maybe i was dreaming, but at least there's one other person out there who feels the same. about time they made it louder.
Yes, according to this very interesting tech-note http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304821 which is linked in the article.
I'm on 10.4.9 now, and after 2 restarts iCal alerts still appear to the right side of the screen. I didn't realize that it was a widespread problem until seeing it posted here.
Application launch seems a little faster, especially Skype and Real Player.
you're right, you do have to hold down the eject key. is that the way it's supposed to be? i find it kind of annoying since i'm used to tapping the key but i'm sure i'll get used to it.
thanks
After reading this I tried it on my laptop... I love EVERYTHING about this keyboard over every single other one that I have tried..... Except the eject button, well now it works great! no more bumping! And since I type so quickly, even if I hit it directly on it will not eject.
i felt like that was the case too and thought maybe i was dreaming, but at least there's one other person out there who feels the same. about time they made it louder.
Just hope that they didn't lose sound quality... Once I finish testing 10.4.9 and deploy it on the laptops I'll have to check into that...
i felt like that was the case too and thought maybe i was dreaming, but at least there's one other person out there who feels the same. about time they made it louder.
Just hope that they didn't lose sound quality... Once I finish testing 10.4.9 and deploy it on the laptops I'll have to check into that...
AppleTV probably requires it.
probably not, but who knows...apple.com says:
Apple TV Requires:
Macintosh computer with Mac OS X v10.3.9 or later; or PC with Windows XP Home or Professional (SP2).
no vista support?
No reason to believe they lost sound quality. My 17" MBP speakers handle the audio up to full volume for most things which is now quite loud. The 17" MBP speakers are the best laptop speakers I've heard...still doesn't compare to a low-end hi-fi but what do u expect...
If the max level is increased, it can cause problems with peaking. Within reason, it's probably better that the user can chose this though, because some tracks are very quiet.
I think the 17" might have better speakers because of the room afforded in a slightly larger case. The speakers on my 15" are kind of irritating.
I definitely think there's something to this. We know that Apple has stuff intended for Leopard that devs aren't even getting a look at - so why wouldn't they leave a few bugs in to throw people off the scent? They know that NDAs aren't going to patch leaks, so it's better to just throw a red herring out there.
Seeing as one of the Apple Design Awards at WWDC is for best Leopard app, I'd be extremely surprised if Leopard isn't out at least a month prior to that. People are going to want to get familiar with it prior to the workshops and stuff. And isn't Steve's keynote on the last day of WWDC?
The more and more I think about Leopard at WWDC, the less sense it makes.
I think we'll see a ship date announced at NAB, and it'll be the same day as a totally Leopard exclusive Final Cut 6.
All great points.
But no, Steve's keynote is always the first day at WWDC.
I just think that's what you're led to believe. I myself have a strong suspicion there's a super secret build inside Cuper and all developers are being had. A lot of the bugs that were in the build before the current one are still there, it just strikes me as a bit suspicious the huge amount of bugs Apple left unfixed.
Great. If that's what Apple wants to do, that's up to them. But if they do, its sheer stupidity. The whole point of developer releases is to make sure developer's software works with your OS. If Apple releases Leopard and there's great incompatibility with other apps, make sure you place your blame solely where it belongs, on Apple's shoulders.
Internal builds are always ahead of what developers get, sometimes over a month ahead. We're coming up on two years in development, there's a suspicious amount of bug for that much work IMO, and mistakes they made with Tiger will be reduced for Leopard.
Apple has notably left bugs open for a long periods of time. That's not new for them. Plus, if they're busy adding in all those super-secret features and stuff, they probably aren't working on bug fixes at this point.
All I can say is that the earlier it comes, the more likely its going to have problems, both within itself (because it hadn't been tested by enough people on the outside in enough configurations with enough third-party software) and incompatibilities with third-party apps, all of which is going to keep people from upgrading. So, there really isn't a need to get it out earlier, if people end up holding off until June anyway.
And with all the problems vista has with compatibiltiy (amazing how much of MS's own software is incompatible), do we really want apple to face the same type of bad press?
All great points.
But no, Steve's keynote is always the first day at WWDC.
That's what I thought, that the idea of a keynote is to set the tone for a conference and often to kick it off. The Mac dictionary definition pretty much says this.
Does anyone remember the time it took for Apple to go from their last update to Panther (Mac OS 10.3) before Tiger (Mac OS 10.4) came out? If I remember correctly it was pretty quick...
I thought that 10.3.9 was released a little bit after Tiger was.
Does anyone remember the time it took for Apple to go from their last update to Panther (Mac OS 10.3) before Tiger (Mac OS 10.4) came out? If I remember correctly it was pretty quick...
I'm not sure this is an entirely comparable scenario, though - I think that if anything, 10.3.9 was rushed to get Panther dead and buried in time for Tiger, which was ready to go long before 10.3.9 hit. I suspect this is going to be different.
And not everyone will be holding off the Leopard upgrade - I, for one, will be buying my new machine the day it hits, as I don't want to get it now only to spend £90 two months down the line, especially if there could be a hardware bump between now and then.
I thought that 10.3.9 was released a little bit after Tiger was.
Yes. I believe so too. Tiger came first, 10.3.9 a little later...