If you want to see a glimpse of what Logic 8 (or whatever Apple chooses to call it) could look like, take a look at Soundtrack.
- The interface has been completely revamped and is based on a non-linear editing paradigm (instead of the mixing console paradigm of Logic)
- All the special effects, filters, etc of Logic are already there (no surprise here as they are all audio units)
- An asset browser similar to the loop browser in Garageband and Logic
- Logic already had the capability to import Quicktime movies into a global track
What is missing is the midi capability that is needed for synths, sample players, etc.
My guess is that Logic will be folded into Soundtrack because it reduces the number of applications Apple has to support. This makes sense as the overlap between Soundtrack and Logic today is considerable.
With Apple, expect the news where you don't expect them!
Given that the German audio show starts on the 28th (I believe, from their website), there is always a chance of a Wednesday update - Wednesday's are quite common for Apple updates too folks, don't forget!
Given that the German audio show starts on the 28th (I believe, from their website), there is always a chance of a Wednesday update - Wednesday's are quite common for Apple updates too folks, don't forget!
So is the date listed in the article a typo:
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
And according to a French audio blog, it has invited local retailers to a briefing on the eve of March 26th, about one day before exhibits open to the German public
Don't get your hopes up too high - Apple's just cancelled three of the four booths are the messe. Nothing something they do if they want to announce something big
people are also under the assumption that the new DAW is going to introduce a reliance or ability to utilze touchscreen control surfaces... in some new innovative way other than simply putting a touchscreen overlay on a traditional monitor.
That's a ridiculous idea. All the hype around Apple taking touch screen out of automated museum exhibits and "into the 21st century" is overblown. A touchscreen would never be accurate enough to replace the fine-tuning controls of a mechanical mixing console. Also, Logic Pro is an application designed for, yes, professional studios, most of which are using very large displays mounted behind the mixing console, NOT within arm's length. Touchscreen would be so costly to develop that it makes no sense whatsoever to implement it if it's only going to be usable by a tiny fraction of the target group, and with questionable results. Nobody will want to redesign/upgrade their hundred thousand dollar mixing desk for the ridiculous notion of touch-screen mixing and mastering control.
I think the biggest changes in an update from apple will probably be a new, and extended partnership between Apple and a control surface company, to combat the great success Avid has had packaging Protools with both Digidesign and M-Audio product groups. Also, the new Logic will have to have greatly update notation tools, as the upcoming ProTools release will feature full integration with Sibelius, which was recently bought by Avid, creating an application with hardware support that will really be a "complete package", and difficult for Logic in its current state to compete with.
Of special importance may be that this will be the first real update to Logic since Apple bought Emagic. Logic 7 was basically Apple grafting a bunch of other applications which it had bought onto Logic 6, and then polishing it up in 7.1 and 7.2. Logic 8 (or whatever it will be called), if it really is a full redesign, could either see the product line revitalized by the new input from whoever Apple has brought aboard, or it could tank if Apple screws it up, especially since ProTools' next release will be pretty close to the "killer app" of the hardware world, as long as they polish up their sequencing and integrate Sibelius properly. The whole digidesign/M-Audio bundling and seamless integration options from M-Box through 002/003 interfaces through the professional line has really become this generation's industry standard, and the acquisitions made by Avid lately have given them the possibility of taking the all-in-one audio solution to the next level...
That's a ridiculous idea. All the hype around Apple taking touch screen out of automated museum exhibits and "into the 21st century" is overblown. A touchscreen would never be accurate enough to replace the fine-tuning controls of a mechanical mixing console. Also, Logic Pro is an application designed for, yes, professional studios, most of which are using very large displays mounted behind the mixing console, NOT within arm's length. Touchscreen would be so costly to develop that it makes no sense whatsoever to implement it if it's only going to be usable by a tiny fraction of the target group, and with questionable results. Nobody will want to redesign/upgrade their hundred thousand dollar mixing desk for the ridiculous notion of touch-screen mixing and mastering control.
I think the biggest changes in an update from apple will probably be a new, and extended partnership between Apple and a control surface company, to combat the great success Avid has had packaging Protools with both Digidesign and M-Audio product groups. Also, the new Logic will have to have greatly update notation tools, as the upcoming ProTools release will feature full integration with Sibelius, which was recently bought by Avid, creating an application with hardware support that will really be a "complete package", and difficult for Logic in its current state to compete with.
Of special importance may be that this will be the first real update to Logic since Apple bought Emagic. Logic 7 was basically Apple grafting a bunch of other applications which it had bought onto Logic 6, and then polishing it up in 7.1 and 7.2. Logic 8 (or whatever it will be called), if it really is a full redesign, could either see the product line revitalized by the new input from whoever Apple has brought aboard, or it could tank if Apple screws it up, especially since ProTools' next release will be pretty close to the "killer app" of the hardware world, as long as they polish up their sequencing and integrate Sibelius properly. The whole digidesign/M-Audio bundling and seamless integration options from M-Box through 002/003 interfaces through the professional line has really become this generation's industry standard, and the acquisitions made by Avid lately have given them the possibility of taking the all-in-one audio solution to the next level...
Your right, I don't think it will replace either, but augment... you know... in some "innovative" way. Most people that have done mockups of such a concept have depicted screens integrated into control surface (you even mention some possible collaboration with a control surface vendor). I view this more as the next level of the Presonus Faderport, Frontier AlphaTrack, or even the Frontier Tranzport. How much more useful would those types of devices be if there was a side mount "tablet" for flexible button arrangements? Far far in the future (like more than 6 months), I think they will "perfect" touchscreens with tactile feedback, so it is not ridiculous to have some sensory feedback, which is so important.
How about a wireless tablet, that allows one to have remote control of the DAW like the Tranzport does, but with an area that you can make tweaks to the levels, software instruments, etc... while doing you remote controlled punch-in-out?
How about a console mounted touchscreen that blows up to an advanced channel strip, where you can get a weighted RTA of the signal and simply draw an EQ curve across the screen... either of the EQ or what you want the end result to look like?
I think that some of the reactions that you have are correct, but such a product could be thought out to address these. There certainly is a utility, and although the professional studios are still going to use their ICON class surfaces, the home or prosumer user does tend to have much more compact setups where the ability to rely on single purpose control surfaces would give Logic an added perceived value to this segment of consumer - not something to be underestimated.
Of course, nobody has seen any evidence of Apple going this route, with most of the momentum caused by rumors and forums... a sort of self feeding effect, but I have little doubt that it will eventually be a reality. I was originally just noting what the hot topic of debate was with regards to the next Logic by those that participate in such pre-release chit chat. Maybe it won't be Logic 8, maybe it won't be Apple, but its coming...
...A reader on Monday noted that the $49 Logic Pro 7.2 Crossgrade package -- an update that delivers new features and Intel Mac support for users of PowerPC-native Logic Pro 7.0 or 7.1 -- is no longer available for purchase at Apple's online shop...
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Update: Apple has similarly removed the Final Cut Pro Crossgrade product from its online store ahead of next month's National Association of Broadcasters conference, where it is widely expected to introduce Final Cut Pro 6.0
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Yes, this reader (ie. me ) has noted previously that all the Final Cut Pro Crossgrade/ Upgrade links are/were broken on the apple website.
So is that going to be a separate version, like 8.0 or something? Means I've just paid for 7.2 and now this...
It's cool bro, there will be some upgrade fee, you don't have to jump on, Logic 7 will be pretty cool for a ton of music making stuff.
All this new Final Cut Studio, Logic X, Leopard, CS3, AfterEffects8, etc. is to start to move people onto Universal Macintel. If you're happy with your PowerPC or Universal recent setups "previous" versions should be okay for what you want to do.
I would be recommending to move to the latest stuff for people that have not upgraded in about 1 year +. Or 2 years +. All itching to get on MacIntel, it should demolish the G5 machines in terms of performance.
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GarageBand is more of a name used for amateurs. Maybe something like RecordingStudio or something that implies the professional recording industry
SpinalTap Pro... this one goes to 10.5.0
my apologies in advance.
SpinalTap Pro... this one goes to 10.5.0
But this one goes to 11.
At the time, the blog site speculated that Musikmesse would make an ideal fit for such an announcement.
It should be " ...that the Musikmesse would", since "Musikmesse" is not a Name, but a Noun.
I wish I could be there, but I can't - I hope there are at least some hints of the new hardware.
- The interface has been completely revamped and is based on a non-linear editing paradigm (instead of the mixing console paradigm of Logic)
- All the special effects, filters, etc of Logic are already there (no surprise here as they are all audio units)
- An asset browser similar to the loop browser in Garageband and Logic
- Logic already had the capability to import Quicktime movies into a global track
What is missing is the midi capability that is needed for synths, sample players, etc.
My guess is that Logic will be folded into Soundtrack because it reduces the number of applications Apple has to support. This makes sense as the overlap between Soundtrack and Logic today is considerable.
With Apple, expect the news where you don't expect them!
How can Apple introduce software that "requires Leopard" without first introducing Leopard?
If you would just get into the RDF, you would understand....
1. New Logic doesn't require Leopard and it's shipping today/tomorrow/Monday whatever.
2. New Logic requires Leopard, so here's the release date for Leopard as well.
I can really see this - and FC6 - being dependant on leopard though, and then all three dropping at once.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...nMore=MA328Z/A
Is it safe to say nothing is coming today?
You got your CS3 today. Now move along and be happy.
Given that the German audio show starts on the 28th (I believe, from their website), there is always a chance of a Wednesday update - Wednesday's are quite common for Apple updates too folks, don't forget!
So is the date listed in the article a typo:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider
And according to a French audio blog, it has invited local retailers to a briefing on the eve of March 26th, about one day before exhibits open to the German public
Sounds like they had something to announce, then pulled it if the cancelled booths. Hmm.
people are also under the assumption that the new DAW is going to introduce a reliance or ability to utilze touchscreen control surfaces... in some new innovative way other than simply putting a touchscreen overlay on a traditional monitor.
That's a ridiculous idea. All the hype around Apple taking touch screen out of automated museum exhibits and "into the 21st century" is overblown. A touchscreen would never be accurate enough to replace the fine-tuning controls of a mechanical mixing console. Also, Logic Pro is an application designed for, yes, professional studios, most of which are using very large displays mounted behind the mixing console, NOT within arm's length. Touchscreen would be so costly to develop that it makes no sense whatsoever to implement it if it's only going to be usable by a tiny fraction of the target group, and with questionable results. Nobody will want to redesign/upgrade their hundred thousand dollar mixing desk for the ridiculous notion of touch-screen mixing and mastering control.
I think the biggest changes in an update from apple will probably be a new, and extended partnership between Apple and a control surface company, to combat the great success Avid has had packaging Protools with both Digidesign and M-Audio product groups. Also, the new Logic will have to have greatly update notation tools, as the upcoming ProTools release will feature full integration with Sibelius, which was recently bought by Avid, creating an application with hardware support that will really be a "complete package", and difficult for Logic in its current state to compete with.
Of special importance may be that this will be the first real update to Logic since Apple bought Emagic. Logic 7 was basically Apple grafting a bunch of other applications which it had bought onto Logic 6, and then polishing it up in 7.1 and 7.2. Logic 8 (or whatever it will be called), if it really is a full redesign, could either see the product line revitalized by the new input from whoever Apple has brought aboard, or it could tank if Apple screws it up, especially since ProTools' next release will be pretty close to the "killer app" of the hardware world, as long as they polish up their sequencing and integrate Sibelius properly. The whole digidesign/M-Audio bundling and seamless integration options from M-Box through 002/003 interfaces through the professional line has really become this generation's industry standard, and the acquisitions made by Avid lately have given them the possibility of taking the all-in-one audio solution to the next level...
That's a ridiculous idea. All the hype around Apple taking touch screen out of automated museum exhibits and "into the 21st century" is overblown. A touchscreen would never be accurate enough to replace the fine-tuning controls of a mechanical mixing console. Also, Logic Pro is an application designed for, yes, professional studios, most of which are using very large displays mounted behind the mixing console, NOT within arm's length. Touchscreen would be so costly to develop that it makes no sense whatsoever to implement it if it's only going to be usable by a tiny fraction of the target group, and with questionable results. Nobody will want to redesign/upgrade their hundred thousand dollar mixing desk for the ridiculous notion of touch-screen mixing and mastering control.
I think the biggest changes in an update from apple will probably be a new, and extended partnership between Apple and a control surface company, to combat the great success Avid has had packaging Protools with both Digidesign and M-Audio product groups. Also, the new Logic will have to have greatly update notation tools, as the upcoming ProTools release will feature full integration with Sibelius, which was recently bought by Avid, creating an application with hardware support that will really be a "complete package", and difficult for Logic in its current state to compete with.
Of special importance may be that this will be the first real update to Logic since Apple bought Emagic. Logic 7 was basically Apple grafting a bunch of other applications which it had bought onto Logic 6, and then polishing it up in 7.1 and 7.2. Logic 8 (or whatever it will be called), if it really is a full redesign, could either see the product line revitalized by the new input from whoever Apple has brought aboard, or it could tank if Apple screws it up, especially since ProTools' next release will be pretty close to the "killer app" of the hardware world, as long as they polish up their sequencing and integrate Sibelius properly. The whole digidesign/M-Audio bundling and seamless integration options from M-Box through 002/003 interfaces through the professional line has really become this generation's industry standard, and the acquisitions made by Avid lately have given them the possibility of taking the all-in-one audio solution to the next level...
Your right, I don't think it will replace either, but augment... you know... in some "innovative" way. Most people that have done mockups of such a concept have depicted screens integrated into control surface (you even mention some possible collaboration with a control surface vendor). I view this more as the next level of the Presonus Faderport, Frontier AlphaTrack, or even the Frontier Tranzport. How much more useful would those types of devices be if there was a side mount "tablet" for flexible button arrangements? Far far in the future (like more than 6 months), I think they will "perfect" touchscreens with tactile feedback, so it is not ridiculous to have some sensory feedback, which is so important.
How about a wireless tablet, that allows one to have remote control of the DAW like the Tranzport does, but with an area that you can make tweaks to the levels, software instruments, etc... while doing you remote controlled punch-in-out?
How about a console mounted touchscreen that blows up to an advanced channel strip, where you can get a weighted RTA of the signal and simply draw an EQ curve across the screen... either of the EQ or what you want the end result to look like?
I think that some of the reactions that you have are correct, but such a product could be thought out to address these. There certainly is a utility, and although the professional studios are still going to use their ICON class surfaces, the home or prosumer user does tend to have much more compact setups where the ability to rely on single purpose control surfaces would give Logic an added perceived value to this segment of consumer - not something to be underestimated.
Of course, nobody has seen any evidence of Apple going this route, with most of the momentum caused by rumors and forums... a sort of self feeding effect, but I have little doubt that it will eventually be a reality. I was originally just noting what the hot topic of debate was with regards to the next Logic by those that participate in such pre-release chit chat. Maybe it won't be Logic 8, maybe it won't be Apple, but its coming...
...A reader on Monday noted that the $49 Logic Pro 7.2 Crossgrade package -- an update that delivers new features and Intel Mac support for users of PowerPC-native Logic Pro 7.0 or 7.1 -- is no longer available for purchase at Apple's online shop...
.....
Update: Apple has similarly removed the Final Cut Pro Crossgrade product from its online store ahead of next month's National Association of Broadcasters conference, where it is widely expected to introduce Final Cut Pro 6.0
.....
Yes, this reader (ie. me
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=73107
Get ready for the Creative Revolucion..!! Final Cut Studio 6, CS3, Logic X, AfterEffects8.0, Leopard. Should be looking solid by July 31 2007.
So is that going to be a separate version, like 8.0 or something? Means I've just paid for 7.2 and now this...
It's cool bro, there will be some upgrade fee, you don't have to jump on, Logic 7 will be pretty cool for a ton of music making stuff.
All this new Final Cut Studio, Logic X, Leopard, CS3, AfterEffects8, etc. is to start to move people onto Universal Macintel. If you're happy with your PowerPC or Universal recent setups "previous" versions should be okay for what you want to do.
I would be recommending to move to the latest stuff for people that have not upgraded in about 1 year +. Or 2 years +. All itching to get on MacIntel, it should demolish the G5 machines in terms of performance.