I'd bet the farm on the fact that we're going to see updated Mac Pros on Sunday, April 15.
Those are the video machines. Apple wants to be the headliner of the National Association of Broadcasters's annual tradeshow and convention.
And it will be.
Sincerely,
Jaddie
Jaddie I agree. April 15th is perfect. Adobe's CS3 is shipping on what April 20th. Apple can hit the market hard with new Pro Apps and Adobe CS3 demoed on 8 core processors.
The other stuff can be announced in May when Crestiline is almost ready.
And there is a growing suspicion that Jobs has decided to shoot his wad all at once at WWDC.
I agree with the sentiment that there is simply too much to announce at WWDC.
1) Not enough time, unless Jobs makes a 3-4 hour keynote.
2) Announcing so much at once will reduce the impact of each individual product release. imo, Such is very un-Jobs. Vis the herculean efforts at secrecy so each innovative release has max impact.
My guess is that new hardware depends on Leopard for some reason. eg: Multi-touch trackpads on laptops and tower keyboards, thus the bottleneck on 4-core towers and Santa Rosa laptops.
I hope all of you who disagree with my WWDC prediction are right. But I have a question for you:
If no hardware is announced at NAB, what then?
I would love it if we got new pro A/V apps, new displays and new Mac Pros at NAB. I would be happily purchasing my new system on April 16th (or whenever they were made available).
But we'll see. April 15th is not that far off. We'll see..................\
Jaddie I agree. April 15th is perfect. Adobe's CS3 is shipping on what April 20th. Apple can hit the market hard with new Pro Apps and Adobe CS3 demoed on 8 core processors.
The other stuff can be announced in May when Crestiline is almost ready.
If the Mac Pro is released on the 15th, then it wouldn't depend on Leopard features because it would still be loaded with Tiger. It's possible that they'll load it with a special version of Tiger just for the new hardware.
I'm all for a completely new look for the Mac Pro and new screens to match the new look. I'll be rather bummed if it looks the same as current models.
If the Mac Pro is released on the 15th, then it wouldn't depend on Leopard features because it would still be loaded with Tiger. It's possible that they'll load it with a special version of Tiger just for the new hardware.
I'm all for a completely new look for the Mac Pro and new screens to match the new look. I'll be rather bummed if it looks the same as current models.
I think Apple could get away with showing Final Cut Pro and other apps on a version of Leopard that doesn't reveal the Top Secret features (assuming they don't announce them by April 15th of course). Yet I would expect that Apple has already added implicit support for Mac Pro's and perhaps new Centrino Pro technology in 10.4.9. If they haven't a small patch would be added to enable support.
Unlike Centrino Pro I do not believe Apple is waiting for a new platform to launch to deliver Mac Pro. If I was ready for a purchase like Dony I'd be a bit antsy as well. I don't think our friend will have too much longer to wait.
I think Apple could get away with showing Final Cut Pro and other apps on a version of Leopard that doesn't reveal the Top Secret features (assuming they don't announce them by April 15th of course). Yet I would expect that Apple has already added implicit support for Mac Pro's and perhaps new Centrino Pro technology in 10.4.9. If they haven't a small patch would be added to enable support.
Unlike Centrino Pro I do not believe Apple is waiting for a new platform to launch to deliver Mac Pro. If I was ready for a purchase like Dony I'd be a bit antsy as well. I don't think our friend will have too much longer to wait.
I'm in the market for a Mac Pro as well. I've been watching all of this with anticipation. I'd rather have something middle of the road (mini tower), but I learned my lesson buying a 2GHz G5 iMac some years ago. I'll never purchase another all-in-one again. So I have to pony up the dough and get a Mac Pro and call it good. I'm hoping we'll see them soon and if I get one without Leopard I won't be too upset with it. I'm of the opinion that I'd rather see Leopard rock than fizzle. Let them take their time to get things right. Here's to hoping that Leopard beats all of our expectations, as do all of the upcoming hardware announcements.
So the premise of the OP seems to be that there must be some kind of pent-up explosion in the works because Apple has been "dragging their feet".
Compared to what? The random speculation and desires of posters on enthusiast sites?
The only way Apple could be considered to be "dragging their feet" would be if they were to lay out a timeline and fail to meet it.
They've done nothing like that, ergo, there is no "back-log" of innovation that implies they're saving it up for one big push, just the usual "we'll release stuff when it's done" product cycle.
So the premise of the OP seems to be that there must be some kind of pent-up explosion in the works because Apple has been "dragging their feet".
Compared to what? The random speculation and desires of posters on enthusiast sites?
The only way Apple could be considered to be "dragging their feet" would be if they were to lay out a timeline and fail to meet it.
They've done nothing like that, ergo, there is no "back-log" of innovation that implies they're saving it up for one big push, just the usual "we'll release stuff when it's done" product cycle.
I agree with the sentiment that there is simply too much to announce at WWDC.
1) Not enough time, unless Jobs makes a 3-4 hour keynote.
2) Announcing so much at once will reduce the impact of each individual product release. imo, Such is very un-Jobs. Vis the herculean efforts at secrecy so each innovative release has max impact.
My guess is that new hardware depends on Leopard for some reason. eg: Multi-touch trackpads on laptops and tower keyboards, thus the bottleneck on 4-core towers and Santa Rosa laptops.
It may not be Leopard it more likely they are waiting for the next chip set to come out and intel is making them wait. As for not coming out with a mid-range head less desktop they may drop the price of the low-end dual dual-core mac pro down quite a lot maybe on the old chip set when the quad-cores come out running on the new chip set.
I learned my lesson buying a 2GHz G5 iMac some years ago. I'll never purchase another all-in-one again. So I have to pony up the dough and get a Mac Pro and call it good.
I'm in the same boat. My upgrade cycle has gone something like this: PowerCenter Pro 180 to a G4 dual 1GHz and then on to a 2GHz iMac G5. On the latter two models I've used everything from Photoshop to After Effects, Final Cut, Pro Tools, and the Macromedia apps. I'm laboring under slow render times, obviously, though I've loved OS X and the stability of the machines themselves. I went with the iMac instead of a tower because I needed some degree of portability -- the iLugger comes in handy -- but the GPU is now ancient by today's standards and there is no upgrade available.
Your point about the all-in-one models (as attractive as they are) is well-taken, particularly for anyone doing heavy multimedia lifting. At this point I crave a beast of a machine to transition comfortably to output from Panasonic's AG-HVX200 camcorder or some such device. The current models would do the trick, but the prospect of on-chip graphic processors almost makes me want to wait one or two cycles longer. Technology marches on, though, and work must be completed, so it's back to the old adage of choosing the best tool that one can afford at the time.
WWDC - Leopard, MBPs, iPhone and new Mac Minis. The minis will be the new headless mac we've been wanting, they will be so customizable it will blow your mind!
MacBooks will have a silent upgrade on their aniversary.
I'm in the same boat. My upgrade cycle has gone something like this: PowerCenter Pro 180 to a G4 dual 1GHz and then on to a 2GHz iMac G5. On the latter two models I've used everything from Photoshop to After Effects, Final Cut, Pro Tools, and the Macromedia apps. I'm laboring under slow render times, obviously, though I've loved OS X and the stability of the machines themselves. I went with the iMac instead of a tower because I needed some degree of portability -- the iLugger comes in handy -- but the GPU is now ancient by today's standards and there is no upgrade available.
Your point about the all-in-one models (as attractive as they are) is well-taken, particularly for anyone doing heavy multimedia lifting. At this point I crave a beast of a machine to transition comfortably to output from Panasonic's AG-HVX200 camcorder or some such device. The current models would do the trick, but the prospect of on-chip graphic processors almost makes me want to wait one or two cycles longer. Technology marches on, though, and work must be completed, so it's back to the old adage of choosing the best tool that one can afford at the time.
The prospect of a chip dedicated to H.264 leaving the CPU's to do everything else is something that has kept me from purchasing a current Mac Pro. I have a Sony high definition camcorder (1080i) and editing the footage just punishes my 2.16 GHz MBP. Hopefully we'll see the new Mac Pro's (and accompanying new screens) at the NAB. Then it'll all come down to availability and what components are offered. I also wish Apple wouldn't charge so much on the RAM. I'd rather just buy it outright from the store ready to go, but I always have to buy 3rd party RAM because Apple charges way too much for it.
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I'd bet the farm on the fact that we're going to see updated Mac Pros on Sunday, April 15.
Those are the video machines. Apple wants to be the headliner of the National Association of Broadcasters's annual tradeshow and convention.
And it will be.
Sincerely,
Jaddie
Dear Friends
I'd bet the farm on the fact that we're going to see updated Mac Pros on Sunday, April 15.
Those are the video machines. Apple wants to be the headliner of the National Association of Broadcasters's annual tradeshow and convention.
And it will be.
Sincerely,
Jaddie
Jaddie I agree. April 15th is perfect. Adobe's CS3 is shipping on what April 20th. Apple can hit the market hard with new Pro Apps and Adobe CS3 demoed on 8 core processors.
The other stuff can be announced in May when Crestiline is almost ready.
And there is a growing suspicion that Jobs has decided to shoot his wad all at once at WWDC.
I agree with the sentiment that there is simply too much to announce at WWDC.
1) Not enough time, unless Jobs makes a 3-4 hour keynote.
2) Announcing so much at once will reduce the impact of each individual product release. imo, Such is very un-Jobs. Vis the herculean efforts at secrecy so each innovative release has max impact.
My guess is that new hardware depends on Leopard for some reason. eg: Multi-touch trackpads on laptops and tower keyboards, thus the bottleneck on 4-core towers and Santa Rosa laptops.
But we'll see. April 15th is not that far off. We'll see..................
Jaddie I agree. April 15th is perfect. Adobe's CS3 is shipping on what April 20th. Apple can hit the market hard with new Pro Apps and Adobe CS3 demoed on 8 core processors.
The other stuff can be announced in May when Crestiline is almost ready.
If the Mac Pro is released on the 15th, then it wouldn't depend on Leopard features because it would still be loaded with Tiger. It's possible that they'll load it with a special version of Tiger just for the new hardware.
I'm all for a completely new look for the Mac Pro and new screens to match the new look. I'll be rather bummed if it looks the same as current models.
I hope all of you who disagree with my WWDC prediction are right. But I have a question for you:
Apple hosts special events so they (and we) don't have to wait for Macworld, and WWDC every year. You should know this unless your a PC guy.
Apple hosts special events so they (and we) don't have to wait for Macworld, and WWDC every year. You should know this unless your a PC guy.
All I can say is we'll see.
If the Mac Pro is released on the 15th, then it wouldn't depend on Leopard features because it would still be loaded with Tiger. It's possible that they'll load it with a special version of Tiger just for the new hardware.
I'm all for a completely new look for the Mac Pro and new screens to match the new look. I'll be rather bummed if it looks the same as current models.
I think Apple could get away with showing Final Cut Pro and other apps on a version of Leopard that doesn't reveal the Top Secret features (assuming they don't announce them by April 15th of course). Yet I would expect that Apple has already added implicit support for Mac Pro's and perhaps new Centrino Pro technology in 10.4.9. If they haven't a small patch would be added to enable support.
Unlike Centrino Pro I do not believe Apple is waiting for a new platform to launch to deliver Mac Pro. If I was ready for a purchase like Dony I'd be a bit antsy as well. I don't think our friend will have too much longer to wait.
I think Apple could get away with showing Final Cut Pro and other apps on a version of Leopard that doesn't reveal the Top Secret features (assuming they don't announce them by April 15th of course). Yet I would expect that Apple has already added implicit support for Mac Pro's and perhaps new Centrino Pro technology in 10.4.9. If they haven't a small patch would be added to enable support.
Unlike Centrino Pro I do not believe Apple is waiting for a new platform to launch to deliver Mac Pro. If I was ready for a purchase like Dony I'd be a bit antsy as well. I don't think our friend will have too much longer to wait.
I'm in the market for a Mac Pro as well. I've been watching all of this with anticipation. I'd rather have something middle of the road (mini tower), but I learned my lesson buying a 2GHz G5 iMac some years ago. I'll never purchase another all-in-one again. So I have to pony up the dough and get a Mac Pro and call it good. I'm hoping we'll see them soon and if I get one without Leopard I won't be too upset with it. I'm of the opinion that I'd rather see Leopard rock than fizzle. Let them take their time to get things right. Here's to hoping that Leopard beats all of our expectations, as do all of the upcoming hardware announcements.
April: Mac Pros with Final Cut Pro Suite and Adobe Premiere (demo) during NAB
May: Mac Mini, iMac, MacBookPro based on the new Santa Rosa platform (released 9 of May)
June: Leopard!
Compared to what? The random speculation and desires of posters on enthusiast sites?
The only way Apple could be considered to be "dragging their feet" would be if they were to lay out a timeline and fail to meet it.
They've done nothing like that, ergo, there is no "back-log" of innovation that implies they're saving it up for one big push, just the usual "we'll release stuff when it's done" product cycle.
A complete family to launch!
April: Mac Pros with Final Cut Pro Suite and Adobe Premiere (demo) during NAB
May: Mac Mini, iMac, MacBookPro based on the new Santa Rosa platform (released 9 of May)
June: Leopard!
That's the most reasonable expectation/speculation I've seen in here in weeks.
So the premise of the OP seems to be that there must be some kind of pent-up explosion in the works because Apple has been "dragging their feet".
Compared to what? The random speculation and desires of posters on enthusiast sites?
The only way Apple could be considered to be "dragging their feet" would be if they were to lay out a timeline and fail to meet it.
They've done nothing like that, ergo, there is no "back-log" of innovation that implies they're saving it up for one big push, just the usual "we'll release stuff when it's done" product cycle.
No.
My OP was just to make fun of all this.
I agree with the sentiment that there is simply too much to announce at WWDC.
1) Not enough time, unless Jobs makes a 3-4 hour keynote.
2) Announcing so much at once will reduce the impact of each individual product release. imo, Such is very un-Jobs. Vis the herculean efforts at secrecy so each innovative release has max impact.
My guess is that new hardware depends on Leopard for some reason. eg: Multi-touch trackpads on laptops and tower keyboards, thus the bottleneck on 4-core towers and Santa Rosa laptops.
It may not be Leopard it more likely they are waiting for the next chip set to come out and intel is making them wait. As for not coming out with a mid-range head less desktop they may drop the price of the low-end dual dual-core mac pro down quite a lot maybe on the old chip set when the quad-cores come out running on the new chip set.
A complete family to launch!
April: Mac Pros with Final Cut Pro Suite and Adobe Premiere (demo) during NAB
May: Mac Mini, iMac, MacBookPro based on the new Santa Rosa platform (released 9 of May)
June: Leopard!
Ding! We have a winner. I didn't know Centrino Pro's release date but I'm glad it's early May.
I learned my lesson buying a 2GHz G5 iMac some years ago. I'll never purchase another all-in-one again. So I have to pony up the dough and get a Mac Pro and call it good.
I'm in the same boat. My upgrade cycle has gone something like this: PowerCenter Pro 180 to a G4 dual 1GHz and then on to a 2GHz iMac G5. On the latter two models I've used everything from Photoshop to After Effects, Final Cut, Pro Tools, and the Macromedia apps. I'm laboring under slow render times, obviously, though I've loved OS X and the stability of the machines themselves. I went with the iMac instead of a tower because I needed some degree of portability -- the iLugger comes in handy -- but the GPU is now ancient by today's standards and there is no upgrade available.
Your point about the all-in-one models (as attractive as they are) is well-taken, particularly for anyone doing heavy multimedia lifting. At this point I crave a beast of a machine to transition comfortably to output from Panasonic's AG-HVX200 camcorder or some such device. The current models would do the trick, but the prospect of on-chip graphic processors almost makes me want to wait one or two cycles longer. Technology marches on, though, and work must be completed, so it's back to the old adage of choosing the best tool that one can afford at the time.
NAB - new Mac Pros and slew of pro app updates
WWDC - Leopard, MBPs, iPhone and new Mac Minis. The minis will be the new headless mac we've been wanting, they will be so customizable it will blow your mind!
MacBooks will have a silent upgrade on their aniversary.
just my 2 cents
I'm in the same boat. My upgrade cycle has gone something like this: PowerCenter Pro 180 to a G4 dual 1GHz and then on to a 2GHz iMac G5. On the latter two models I've used everything from Photoshop to After Effects, Final Cut, Pro Tools, and the Macromedia apps. I'm laboring under slow render times, obviously, though I've loved OS X and the stability of the machines themselves. I went with the iMac instead of a tower because I needed some degree of portability -- the iLugger comes in handy -- but the GPU is now ancient by today's standards and there is no upgrade available.
Your point about the all-in-one models (as attractive as they are) is well-taken, particularly for anyone doing heavy multimedia lifting. At this point I crave a beast of a machine to transition comfortably to output from Panasonic's AG-HVX200 camcorder or some such device. The current models would do the trick, but the prospect of on-chip graphic processors almost makes me want to wait one or two cycles longer. Technology marches on, though, and work must be completed, so it's back to the old adage of choosing the best tool that one can afford at the time.
The prospect of a chip dedicated to H.264 leaving the CPU's to do everything else is something that has kept me from purchasing a current Mac Pro. I have a Sony high definition camcorder (1080i) and editing the footage just punishes my 2.16 GHz MBP. Hopefully we'll see the new Mac Pro's (and accompanying new screens) at the NAB. Then it'll all come down to availability and what components are offered. I also wish Apple wouldn't charge so much on the RAM. I'd rather just buy it outright from the store ready to go, but I always have to buy 3rd party RAM because Apple charges way too much for it.
I know this because I just got the go-ahead to order an iMac for work, which i will be doing first thing in the morning…!
;^p