Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (2007)

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  • Reply 1361 of 4650
    mellomello Posts: 555member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    You must mean Blu-Ray at the end there, not DVD.



    Actually, both. I've got over 150 DVDs & I'd love to be able to convert some to work on

    the iPhone. First I don't want to buy the same movie on iTunes when I already own it &

    second, alot of the DVDs I have are not on the iTunes Movie store currently.
  • Reply 1362 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mello View Post


    Does anyone have any info or timeline on managed copies?

    I'd love to be able to copy a lower-res version of Casino Royale

    from Blu-ray to the new iPhone instead of purchasing it

    again on iTunes. I'm assuming that there will be some programs

    that will help convert your DVD's into a format the the iPhone

    can accept.



    I think the "managed copies" strategy was being pushed with M$ with HD-DVD's. Not sure how it progressed, but it definitely would be a great tool to be able to make electronic library of all the movies, stored and managed by softwares like iTunes and have them circulated within the network just like how we're able enjoy music on iTunes.



    However, BD being ultra protective of it's contents, I'm not sure BD will ever let "managed copies" scheme to take place. Most studio's are still being very stingy and trying all they could to protect even the SD DVD's and HiDef would most likely take even long, when it happens. All I can predict is that when "managed copies" does happen, then BD would probably be the last ones to join in, if not at all.
  • Reply 1363 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post


    I think the "managed copies" strategy was being pushed with M$ with HD-DVD's. Not sure how it progressed, but it definitely would be a great tool to be able to make electronic library of all the movies, stored and managed by softwares like iTunes and have them circulated within the network just like how we're able enjoy music on iTunes.



    However, BD being ultra protective of it's contents, I'm not sure BD will ever let "managed copies" scheme to take place. Most studio's are still being very stingy and trying all they could to protect even the SD DVD's and HiDef would most likely take even long, when it happens. All I can predict is that when "managed copies" does happen, then BD would probably be the last ones to join in, if not at all.



    Spreading more FUD I see. BD announced quite some time ago its support of MMC (mandatory managed copy) and how it IS part of the BD spec.



    Again, for those curious, MMC is part of the BD spec, and yes it will certainly be cool when both formats get around to implementing it.
  • Reply 1364 of 4650
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,915member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mello View Post


    Actually, both. I've got over 150 DVDs & I'd love to be able to convert some to work on

    the iPhone. First I don't want to buy the same movie on iTunes when I already own it &

    second, alot of the DVDs I have are not on the iTunes Movie store currently.



    Am I missing something here? Won't handbrake work?
  • Reply 1365 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Sony Report Reveals First Look at Absolute Blu-ray and HD DVD Disc Sales Figures



    Quote:

    Thanks to a new research report from Sony, industry watchers are getting their best look yet at hard high-def disc sales numbers from Nielsen VideoScan, including per-title sales figures for high-def discs released on both next-gen formats.



    Focusing on sales data for the week ending March 18 (the same week that Sony's 'Casino Royale' smashed high-def records by shipping 100,00 units to retail), it should come as no surprise that the VideoScan numbers released by Sony are favorable to the studio, with five of its releases ranking among the top-selling next-gen discs that week.



    The numbers that week were equally as impressive for Blu-ray, which outsold HD DVD by a ratio of 9:2, and dominated the list of top-selling next-gen discs -- the HD DVD edition of 'The Departed' was the only HD DVD disc to appear among the top ten best selling high-def discs.



    But while abstract ratios and percentages like these have been bandied about for several months now, the Sony report goes one step further, providing the first public release of hard sales figures for HD DVD and Blu-ray discs from Nielsen VideoScan, the home entertainment industry's leading source for competitive sales data.



    Among the numbers revealed: as of March 18, VideoScan put the cumulative number of Blu-ray titles sold since the format's inception at 844,000 units, versus HD DVD at 708,600.



    But perhaps most interesting are the per-title sales numbers for the top ten selling discs across both formats, which are provided both in the form of a weekly tally (again for the week ending March 18), and as year-to-date totals.



    While these charts confirm the previously reported strong showings for such A-list titles as 'The Departed' 'Batman Begins' and 'Superman Returns' (with each clocking per-format sales totals since-inception of at least 28,000 units sold), they also demonstrate a very steep drop-off for titles outside of that top rung, with even discs among the top-ten best sellers that week moving fewer than 1000 units apiece:







    While we should note that the VideoScan numbers are not all-inclusive (for example, they don't include discs sold at Wal-Mart or some online merchants), the lower sales numbers at the bottom end of weekly list and on display elsewhere in the report (where some titles are listed as selling fewer than 200 units since inception) are certainly still a sobering reminder that both formats still have a long way to go in their shared quest to supplant standard-def DVD.



    Yup, we still have a long way to go, but the future sure looks Blu! 9:2 ratio, talk about getting owned. More weeks like that ahead, and HD DVD will not survive...not that I see them surviving with the likes of Batman Begins, POTC 1 and 2, Cars, and Spidey 1 and 2 releasing on Blu-ray soon, but HD DVD has Children of Men...so good luck with that.
  • Reply 1366 of 4650
    mellomello Posts: 555member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    Am I missing something here? Won't handbrake work?



    I've never heard of handbrake. Is that shareware, freeware?
  • Reply 1367 of 4650
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post


    Would companies lie in their financial statements? Hell, yeah! Those things are damn near worthless. How many times have we seen articles recently about Apple, Pixar, Dell, Disney, HP, etc. having to restate earnings or having stock options or other accounting problems? Even when it's completely legal, it's often the result of some very creative accounting that needs professionals to decipher. Ask former MCI or Enron employees how useful financial statements are.



    Yes, I'm sure Verizon simply made up thier expenditures in FiOS that investors were annoyed with (because it brought down profits) and they really didn't have all those trucks doing fiber installs...that oddly, I saw in the real world operating in both VA and MD.



    Quote:

    Your argument seems almost completely rooted in web-based research. You can't believe everything you read on the net. I'll take the real world any time. You can quote as many abstract numbers as you want. Reality says almost nobody I know within a three-mile radius can get FiOS.



    Yes, the whole world exists within a 3 mile radius of you.



    I know plenty of FiOS users within 3 miles of me (imagine that).



    So web-based research + Verizon quarterlies + useless real world ancedotal evidence > useless real world ancedotal evidence...



    Quote:

    Gee, ya think? And yet it was well after the late ?90s before Time Warner finally upgraded. They didn't upgrade in 2001 or 2002 or even 2005. It was late 2006. And my 10Mbps is not "fake." I already said that with some servers and especially using multiple servers, I can max it out.



    It's "fake" in as much as neighbors share that pipe with you...something you already complained about.



    And if you actually read the comment you'd see I said that the RBOCs were dragging their heels in the late 90s...so Time Warner had no need to upgrade until recently. FiOS has only been an option in the last couple years. Same with Lightspeed, etc.



    So I dunno how you can think that 2007-2010 is going to be the same as 1997-2000 in terms of speed increases.



    /shrug



    this has been a bizzare topic even for this thread. If you prefer to ignore that higher speed service exists in the US simply because you don't have it in NYC I suppose that's your option.



    But Apple and many others believe that last mile is likely going to have a much bigger pipe in the near future.



    Vinea
  • Reply 1368 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Blu-ray Surpasses Over 200 Discs Released...



    http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/04/09...ril-10th-2007/



  • Reply 1369 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mello View Post


    Does anyone have any info or timeline on managed copies?

    I'd love to be able to copy a lower-res version of Casino Royale

    from Blu-ray to the new iPhone instead of purchasing it

    again on iTunes. I'm assuming that there will be some programs

    that will help convert your DVD's into a format the the iPhone

    can accept.



    Both formats will have MMC (mandatory managed copy) as I posted earlier to bitemymac, and here is some more proof...and it is coming soon...



    http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...p?startpage=10
  • Reply 1370 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Just so that it is poignantly clear...



    Nielsen VideoScan Data for week ended April 1



















    Thus, these charts show...



    http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=7494



    Quote:

    SI, Blu-ray:HD-DVD

    100:77,88



    YTD, Blu-ray:HD-DVD

    100:43,16



    This gives us an estimated weekly sales ratio of 100:52.



  • Reply 1371 of 4650
    kupan787kupan787 Posts: 586member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    Just so that it is poignantly clear...



    Nielsen VideoScan Data for week ended April 1



    Something interesting I just read, but:



    Quote:

    We should note that the VideoScan numbers are not all-inclusive (for example, they don't include discs sold at Wal-Mart or some online merchants)



    It would be interesting to know what VideoScan counts in their totals. Do they count brick and mortars? If some, which? Do they count online? If so, which?



    It really is too early, and VideoScans own numbers are proof of this. When you are claiming a disk as selling 800 copies in your top 10...
  • Reply 1372 of 4650
    coreycorey Posts: 165member
    I wish the studio's would come up with some kind of trade in program. I have over 400 DVD's and I can tell you that I am NOT replacing with $40 each blue ray disks. But if I could turn in my old dvd's and pay the $20 difference I might go there. They could either destroy the old ones to get them off the market or resell them.



    For now, there are only a handful of movies that I would pay $40 a clip for and that simply doesn't warrant coughing up for a blue-ray player. Frankly if the movies stay at $40, I may just sit this whole round of updates out and wait for the holographic disks.



    It seems to me that a really good HD up-converter is a better investment for video. The only sad thing is that I would really like to have a data blue-ray for backups.
  • Reply 1373 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    Spreading more FUD I see. BD announced quite some time ago its support of MMC (mandatory managed copy) and how it IS part of the BD spec.



    Again, for those curious, MMC is part of the BD spec, and yes it will certainly be cool when both formats get around to implementing it.



    What FUD?.... MMC is in hypothetical status right now, which means that we may or may not see it in the future.



    Only FUD I see around here is you're links and claims about BD sales vs. HD which jumps around everywhere and just not add up or the source being credible. Only consistency is you posting those nonesense. Actually, over at AVSforum, one guy responded to a person/BD fanboy on the fence. " Get it and be a man, not just a fanboy."....... and I for some reason thought of you..
  • Reply 1374 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Corey View Post


    I wish the studio's would come up with some kind of trade in program. I have over 400 DVD's and I can tell you that I am NOT replacing with $40 each blue ray disks. But if I could turn in my old dvd's and pay the $20 difference I might go there. They could either destroy the old ones to get them off the market or resell them.



    For now, there are only a handful of movies that I would pay $40 a clip for and that simply doesn't warrant coughing up for a blue-ray player. Frankly if the movies stay at $40, I may just sit this whole round of updates out and wait for the holographic disks.



    It seems to me that a really good HD up-converter is a better investment for video. The only sad thing is that I would really like to have a data blue-ray for backups.



    Well... I also do have decent library of DVD's and I don't think they're worth anything to sell. This is the main reason I was looking for the best SD upconverting DVD on the market which also happens to play HD-DVD discs.. The HD-XA2 is probably the best SD DVD player on the market under $3K budget. It has REON HQV video processor that will make good SD transfers into almost HD like picture quality. At current amazon price of $585 shipped, it is best bang for the buck even if you're not thinking about using it for HD.
  • Reply 1375 of 4650
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,915member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mello View Post


    I've never heard of handbrake. Is that shareware, freeware?



    It's free. http://handbrake.m0k.org/



    You can encode into a variety of formats from ay DVD source, copy protected or not. I use it for putting movies on my iPod now. There's also an "insant" handbrake for iPod only. With the regular version you can choose apsect ratio, bitrate, etc. Go to this link for info:



    http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/art...y-resolutions/



    You have to set the bitrate and file type and what not to the proper settings. It's not as hard as it sounds. You just have to make sure the encoding is supported by iPod. PM me if you need more info.
  • Reply 1376 of 4650
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mello View Post


    I've never heard of handbrake. Is that shareware, freeware?



    ever heard of google?



    google handbreak... which is now called mediafork (why they had to change it to something WORSE i'll never know ) also mac the ripper.



    i was gonna just PM you with this info, but seeing as everything else gets disscussed in here i dont see how this is TOO off topic.



    im currently slowly going thru my DVD collection (about 500 discs 50/50 films and TV shows at a guess) and the TV shows are a pain in the behind to convert as its one episode at a time (although you can make a que in handbreak, but thats another story) anyway, what i usually do is rip the DVD to hard disc with "mac the ripper" (again google it) as it seems to be quicker using handbreak/mediafork when encoding from HDD rather than DVD... so with one or more DVDs on the hard disc, i can then encode with handbreak/mediafork while still ripping another DVD to HDD... which is quicker than only encoding directly from the DVD itself.



    hope that helps



    if you need any more help on ripping and encoding DVD might i suggest the ipod-appleTV forum... or you can PM me if you want.



    bugger! sorry i missed SDW2001 post
  • Reply 1377 of 4650
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    Sony Report Reveals First Look at Absolute Blu-ray and HD DVD Disc Sales Figures







    Yup, we still have a long way to go, but the future sure looks Blu! 9:2 ratio, talk about getting owned. More weeks like that ahead, and HD DVD will not survive...not that I see them surviving with the likes of Batman Begins, POTC 1 and 2, Cars, and Spidey 1 and 2 releasing on Blu-ray soon, but HD DVD has Children of Men...so good luck with that.



    are you saying Batman Begins is comming to BD?



    if so, im sold!
  • Reply 1378 of 4650
    Hardly the smartest of moves Tosh if your gonna spread your HD-DVD goodness, i can now think of 17 manufacturers who wont be so keen to say "aye"



    Quote:

    Toshiba Corp. has filed a complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission and sued 17 companies, alleging infringement of its DVD patents, the Japanese electronics maker said Monday.



  • Reply 1379 of 4650
    kzelk4kzelk4 Posts: 100member
    Id like to see a comparasin of sales of blu-ray without the PS3 and HD DVD drive on the xbox 360. Although this is pretty much impossible the numbers are probably way closer without the PS3, imo.
  • Reply 1380 of 4650
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,915member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kzelk4 View Post


    Id like to see a comparasin of sales of blu-ray without the PS3 and HD DVD drive on the xbox 360. Although this is pretty much impossible the numbers are probably way closer without the PS3, imo.



    Why? I don't see why such a comparison would be valid. It's like asking for Apple's quaterly report without iPod sales data. What's the point...to make the HD-DVD crowd feel better? Or, are you just curious?
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