Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (2007)

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  • Reply 1421 of 4650
    guarthoguartho Posts: 1,208member
    It's entirely possible that universal players become the norm and each studio picks its format. Say Universal remains HDDVD exclusive and all the others remain or go Blu-ray. In that case we'd have the same number of discs on shelves. Retailers would have one disc type for each movie and each studio will be supporting only one format in the long term.



    Granted, this is not the most likely of scenarios but it's not that unlikely either.
  • Reply 1422 of 4650
    snoopysnoopy Posts: 1,901member




    I have a question for an expert: Is it possible to copy an HD-DVD movie and then convert it to Blu-Ray format, and burn it to a Blu-Ray disc? That would seem to solve the two format problem.



    Another idea may be to copy any movie disc to the computer and use AppleTV to watch the movie. Apple could capitalize on the two format issue and sell more AppleTVs in the process.



  • Reply 1423 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by snoopy View Post






    I have a question for an expert: Is it possible to copy an HD-DVD movie and then convert it to Blu-Ray format, and burn it to a Blu-Ray disc? That would seem to solve the two format problem.



    Another idea may be to copy any movie disc to the computer and use AppleTV to watch the movie. Apple could capitalize on the two format issue and sell more AppleTVs in the process.







    Well... you can download DVDFabHDDescripter for free and rip BD and HD movies. So, once you get a software tool to author into HD or BD movie.... anything is possible, even via AppleTV or a Mac/PC.
  • Reply 1424 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    The reason universals will fail though isn't due to price..it's because there is no way you'll see two competing formats from the studios. One will win. You're not going to see them support both in the long term. Oh, and those prices you have are deceptive. Blu-Ray players are as low as $499 now .



    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...bluraycom0b-20



    Samsung BD-P1000 is a discontinued product model being replaced by BD-P1200. I'm sure you can find discontinued HD-DVD players for even at $199 with 5 free HD-DVD movies.



    The cheapest current BD player still remains to be 60GB PS3 at $599.
  • Reply 1425 of 4650
    guarthoguartho Posts: 1,208member
    So with the discontinuation of the 20gb PS3, I guess the entry price of Blu-ray has actually gone up. Although I think we should count discontinued models until you can only get them used.
  • Reply 1426 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Guartho View Post


    So with the discontinuation of the 20gb PS3, I guess the entry price of Blu-ray has actually gone up. Although I think we should count discontinued models until you can only get them used.



    Sony announced a planning of cheaper BD player around $600 by end of this year along with BDP-S300 ($999) and BDP-S500 ($999+). So, if you can wait, it will get cheaper and hopefully priced lower than 60GB PS3 price.
  • Reply 1427 of 4650
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    The reason universals will fail though isn't due to price..it's because there is no way you'll see two competing formats from the studios. One will win. You're not going to see them support both in the long term. Oh, and those prices you have are deceptive. Blu-Ray players are as low as $499 now .



    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...bluraycom0b-20



    erm... but arnt there already studios that have put out the same film on both formats... or is the inside of my head making that up?
  • Reply 1428 of 4650
    jlljll Posts: 2,713member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post


    Sony announced a planning of cheaper BD player around $600 by end of this year along with BDP-S300 ($999) and BDP-S500 ($999+). So, if you can wait, it will get cheaper and hopefully priced lower than 60GB PS3 price.



    The BDP-S300 will be $599 - not $999 - and released in July.
  • Reply 1429 of 4650
    jlljll Posts: 2,713member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trendannoyer View Post


    erm... but arnt there already studios that have put out the same film on both formats... or is the inside of my head making that up?



    I don't think they'll want to continue that way in the long run. It's an extra cost and many shops won't carry two versions of the same movie.
  • Reply 1430 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,354member
    Woooosh. Did you hear that? That's HD DVD accelerating past Blu-ray.







    I LOVE this battle! It's like watching a sports game complete with the ups and downs and tense moments.
  • Reply 1431 of 4650
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,913member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trendannoyer View Post


    erm... but arnt there already studios that have put out the same film on both formats... or is the inside of my head making that up?



    I don't mean to be an ass here, but try thinking that through. They are supporting both formats NOW, but to continue doing so in the long term (as JLL said) would be dumb. I bet that some studios used Beta and VHS too. There will be only one dominant format, as history shows us. Sure, other formats exist, but at the consumer and prosumer level, one format wins. The reason is nothing other than money.
  • Reply 1432 of 4650
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    I don't mean to be an ass here, but try thinking that through. They are supporting both formats NOW, but to continue doing so in the long term (as JLL said) would be dumb. I bet that some studios used Beta and VHS too. There will be only one dominant format, as history shows us. Sure, other formats exist, but at the consumer and prosumer level, one format wins. The reason is nothing other than money.



    well you were speaking in absolute terms "there is no way you'll see two competing formats from the studios. however, i was pointing out that there ARE already companies with the same film out on different formats. which runs contrary to your absolute statment.



    i whole heartedly agree that,as it stands the higher price of universal players is not that appealing, as has been pointed out a few times on this thread, one would e better served buying two players for the same money.



    but once the universal players drop in price to something approaching current HD-DVD or BD players, then its very likely they will catch on... IF the format war hasent been settled by then
  • Reply 1433 of 4650
    guarthoguartho Posts: 1,208member
    Let's be fair. Two sentences later in the same post he qualified that absolute statement.



    "You're not going to see them support both in the long term."
  • Reply 1434 of 4650
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,913member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trendannoyer View Post


    well you were speaking in absolute terms "there is no way you'll see two competing formats from the studios. however, i was pointing out that there ARE already companies with the same film out on different formats. which runs contrary to your absolute statment.



    i whole heartedly agree that,as it stands the higher price of universal players is not that appealing, as has been pointed out a few times on this thread, one would e better served buying two players for the same money.



    but once the universal players drop in price to something approaching current HD-DVD or BD players, then its very likely they will catch on... IF the format war hasent been settled by then



    As Guartho points out above,, you took my statement completely out of context. It's clear to anyone what I meant...anyone that can and comprehend.
  • Reply 1435 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Woooosh. Did you hear that? That's HD DVD accelerating past Blu-ray.







    I LOVE this battle! It's like watching a sports game complete with the ups and downs and tense moments.





    You forgot to mention that HD-DVD version of Planet Earth ($69) series out ranked Casino Royale (BD-DVD) at it's peak ranking.... PE now ranks #5 and I believe Casino Royale peaked at #6. BTW, the BD version of Planet Earth is ranked at #23 and both versions of PE are scheduled for April 24th release.
  • Reply 1436 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Woooosh. Did you hear that? That's HD DVD accelerating past Blu-ray.







    I LOVE this battle! It's like watching a sports game complete with the ups and downs and tense moments.



    Nope, I didn't hear that...but I did hear this concerning the very abrupt sales spike in HD DVD in terms of SALES RANK on Amazon...



    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=818991



    April 15th, an organized HD DVD buying day planned for a month now...hmm, the desperation of HD DVD zealots knows now bounds. Look for rankings to stabilize...probably sometime this week to our normal weekly day in and day out Blu-ray domination.



    And it's nice to see bitemymac try and make the comparison between Planet Earth and Casino Royale based on one day of rankings. Hahahaha. Are we to assume that PE is outselling Casino Royale in the number of copies?....I'm sure you'd like for people to think so...Hahahahaa. Classic. LOL.



    So lets be honest gentlemen, did you guys know fully well about the organized purchase day for HD DVD? Or were you simply going to keep that on the DL and try and pull the wool over everyone's eyes here? We give you overall, independent, Nielsen Videoscan sales numbers, coupled with sales rankings from Amazon and DVD Empire over 4 months, and you return to us with Sales rankings from just Amazon right after an organized purchase day for HD DVD discs in an attempt to obviously skew individuals perspective on who is really winning this format war...nice. Interesting that you don't see a corresponding spike over at DVD Empire either...



    http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Fea...99365595302098



    Hmm, did you hear that? Quite telling of your graph. Keep trying though.
  • Reply 1437 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post




    And it's nice to see bitemymac try and make the comparison between Planet Earth and Casino Royale based on one day of rankings. Hahahaha. Are we to assume that PE is outselling Casino Royale in the number of copies?....I'm sure you'd like for people to think so...Hahahahaa. Classic. LOL.




    Well... BD version of Casino Royale ranked #6 briefly, and didn't even last half a day. However, HD-DVD version Planet Earth sat at #5 rank the whole Sunday and today and peaked to #4 last night. So... yes, HD-DVD version of PE is out pacing CR BD version on amazon sales. Actually, if you look up the best selling DVD list on amazon, PE (SD-DVD version) is ranked #1 and if it keeps up, I'd say PE may outsell CR. CR may appeal to kids with PS3's, but PE has more of an appeal for all ages.... if you can appreciate the nature. I had to support my HD-DVD fanatic brothers....so I ordered PE in HD-DVD to celebrate HD-DVD's 1 year anniversary myself.
  • Reply 1438 of 4650
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,913member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    Nope, I didn't hear that...but I did hear this concerning the very abrupt sales spike in HD DVD in terms of SALES RANK on Amazon...



    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=818991



    April 15th, an organized HD DVD buying day planned for a month now...hmm, the desperation of HD DVD zealots knows now bounds. Look for rankings to stabilize...probably sometime this week to our normal weekly day in and day out Blu-ray domination.



    And it's nice to see bitemymac try and make the comparison between Planet Earth and Casino Royale based on one day of rankings. Hahahaha. Are we to assume that PE is outselling Casino Royale in the number of copies?....I'm sure you'd like for people to think so...Hahahahaa. Classic. LOL.



    So lets be honest gentlemen, did you guys know fully well about the organized purchase day for HD DVD? Or were you simply going to keep that on the DL and try and pull the wool over everyone's eyes here? We give you overall, independent, Nielsen Videoscan sales numbers, coupled with sales rankings from Amazon and DVD Empire over 4 months, and you return to us with Sales rankings from just Amazon right after an organized purchase day for HD DVD discs in an attempt to obviously skew individuals perspective on who is really winning this format war...nice. Interesting that you don't see a corresponding spike over at DVD Empire either...



    http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Fea...99365595302098



    Hmm, did you hear that? Quite telling of your graph. Keep trying though.









    Whoosh! That's HD-DVD getting flushed by Blu-Ray.



    I wouldn't have caught that. An organized buying day. If that doesn't speall Zealot, I don't know what does. It's desperate. They know it's almost over.
  • Reply 1439 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post






    Whoosh! That's HD-DVD getting flushed by Blu-Ray.



    I wouldn't have caught that. An organized buying day. If that doesn't speall Zealot, I don't know what does. It's desperate. They know it's almost over.





    LOL.... it spells strong support for the HD-DVD Zealots....... and this is the reason that it won't go away. Where's the support from BD zealots?... don't you know it's desparate times for both hidef format against SD-DVD?
  • Reply 1440 of 4650
    kupan787kupan787 Posts: 586member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    We give you overall, independent, Nielsen Videoscan sales numbers



    Something I posted back on 4/9 and got no response about. It was the last time you quoted Videoscan...



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    Something interesting I just read, but:



    Quote:

    We should note that the VideoScan numbers are not all-inclusive (for example, they don't include discs sold at Wal-Mart or some online merchants)



    It would be interesting to know what VideoScan counts in their totals. Do they count brick and mortars? If so, which? Do they count online? If so, which?



    It really is too early, and VideoScans own numbers are proof of this. When you are claiming a disk as selling 800 copies in your top 10...



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    And to add to that thought, Wal-Mart might be a huge player in the format war, but the Amazon sales charts don't show it, and neither does Videoscan. Hell, there is way too much data we DON'T know at this point to be claiming much of anything. And if a group of HD DVD proponents can change the charts by a 1 day buying spree, then I think it is WAY too early to claim victory either way. If a few people can move the charts, the sales volume for both formats must be pathetically low.
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