Doesnt Apple like to push new Technologies like always?
Why not giving us a choice to watch HD movies (be it HD DVD or Blu-ray) on our beloved Macbook Pros?
just my 2 cents
You deserve a proper beat down from that comment.
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Originally Posted by angevil
This is disappointing. I expect something much better. Where is LED, where is flash memory? There should be NAND flash + regular hard drive.
Santa Rosa supports Robson, but I'm not sure if Apple will include it just yet. I'd say it all depends on if it's worthwhile addition. Meaning, the testing has been less than stellar for one reliable source.
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Originally Posted by Rolo
3GB RAM max to 4GB
I also hope there's a slight case mod with a new KB and no latch.
Merom C2Ds can currently address up to 4GB. Santa Rosa's 2nd gen. Merom processors will also be able to address up to 4GB. Apple artificially limits it to 3GB. Unless Apple is using a new method we may be stuck at the same 3GB limit.
I never had a problem with PowerBook or MacBook Pros latches, but I do love my MacBook's magnetic latch a lot more. It would be nice if they include that.
I thought one of the features of Santa Rosa was it was DDR2 800??? Am I missing something? I don't think they could hit 2.4 without it being ddr2800 and really grinding the multiplier... Leads me to believe these specs are 100% accurate, or Apple isn't running Santa Rosa??? Maybe It has Santa Rosa but apple is using old ram in place of it to get rid of the ram and you can actually put DDR2 800 in it?
I thought one of the features of Santa Rosa was it was DDR2 800??? Am I missing something? I don't think they could hit 2.4 without it being ddr2800 and really grinding the multiplier... Leads me to believe these specs are 100% accurate, or Apple isn't running Santa Rosa??? Maybe It has Santa Rosa but apple is using old ram in place of it to get rid of the ram and you can actually put DDR2 800 in it?
It's UP TO.
Not much regular 800 memory out now. what there is, is mostly for the enthusiast market, and we don't have enthusiasts on the Mac.
I thought one of the features of Santa Rosa was it was DDR2 800??? Am I missing something? I don't think they could hit 2.4 without it being ddr2800 and really grinding the multiplier... Leads me to believe these specs are 100% accurate, or Apple isn't running Santa Rosa??? Maybe It has Santa Rosa but apple is using old ram in place of it to get rid of the ram and you can actually put DDR2 800 in it?
I wouldn't want that - on a 15" screen? Maybe on a 17" screen. At 15" with 1920x1080, I'd be using a magnifying glass, what with the size of the palette fonts in Adobe Creative Suite. 1440*900 is good.
true it might be a bit of a squeeze, but shooting in 1920x1080 HDV, i'd like to be able to see it on screen without re-scaling (not to mention hi def dvd), and can't always have the external monitor handy. using FCP on a 15.4" at that res wouldn't be too much of a problem, as you aren't really reliant on pallettes. [touch wood my eyes are still pretty good!] i was thinking about the 17", but would go for the 15" if the option was there - for the luggability factor.
Merom C2Ds can currently address up to 4GB. Santa Rosa's 2nd gen. Merom processors will also be able to address up to 4GB. Apple artificially limits it to 3GB. Unless Apple is using a new method we may be stuck at the same 3GB limit.
Apple is not limiting it to 3GB. Santa Rosa is required to recognize the full 4GB of memory whether it is a Mac or a PC. The problem is that some PC manufactures have been advertizing theirs as having up to 4GB but in reality they only recognize a little over 3GB. They typically state in the fine print "all memory may not be available" or something along those lines. The MacBook Pros can recognize a little over 3GB with 4GB installed as well but Apple decided not to push the BS that far.
true it might be a bit of a squeeze, but shooting in 1920x1080 HDV, i'd like to be able to see it on screen without re-scaling (not to mention hi def dvd), and can't always have the external monitor handy. using FCP on a 15.4" at that res wouldn't be too much of a problem, as you aren't really reliant on pallettes. [touch wood my eyes are still pretty good!] i was thinking about the 17", but would go for the 15" if the option was there - for the luggability factor.
Unless you're going to stare bug-eyed at the screen, you won't get any benefit from 1080p on a 15" screen. You will barely be able to see it on a 17", unless you're real close.
A 20" screen requires that you be no more than 2.5' away for 1080p. A 15" would be no more than 24" and closer to 20".
I wouldn't want that - on a 15" screen? Maybe on a 17" screen. At 15" with 1920x1080, I'd be using a magnifying glass, what with the size of the palette fonts in Adobe Creative Suite. 1440*900 is good.
I'd be willing to bet that if you used a 15" display with a 1920 resolution, you'd think twice before making that statement. The crispness that resolution delivers on day-to-day tasks (particularly if you're image editing) more than makes up for any palette font issues, IMHO. Especially with the upcoming resolution-independent features of OSX, I'd take one in a heartbeat! Actually, why not make it a 4k monitor while you're at it, Apple?
No need to make excuses for the areas Apple has lagged in for the past few years - let's just hope for the best in the future!
I'd be willing to bet that if you used a 15" display with a 1920 resolution, you'd think twice before making that statement.
My wife has such a laptop (15" at 1920 horizontal resolution) from work. We have it switched down to 1280x800 almost all the time. You know not all out there have the eyes of a 15 year old teen.
Now, with resolution-independence it is another game.
I've been using a 15" Dell notebook for years and I think 1680x1050 is the sweet spot of resolution on a 15". It's the one thing I'll miss from my Dell.
I thought one of the features of Santa Rosa was it was DDR2 800??? Am I missing something? I don't think they could hit 2.4 without it being ddr2800 and really grinding the multiplier... Leads me to believe these specs are 100% accurate, or Apple isn't running Santa Rosa??? Maybe It has Santa Rosa but apple is using old ram in place of it to get rid of the ram and you can actually put DDR2 800 in it?
DDR2 800 was cut as a feature from Santa Rosa last-minute. The FSB is still bumped to 800 MHz, however.
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So are the LCD displays going to be back-lit by LED's or not?
That's really the only thing I am interested in...
I'm going to be pretty upset if the LED back-lit screen isn't one of the new features in the MacBook Pro update tomorrow..
Uhhh...your tagline says "Back from the future."
No HD DVD/Blu-ray Drives?
Doesnt Apple like to push new Technologies like always?
Why not giving us a choice to watch HD movies (be it HD DVD or Blu-ray) on our beloved Macbook Pros?
just my 2 cents
You deserve a proper beat down from that comment.
This is disappointing. I expect something much better. Where is LED, where is flash memory? There should be NAND flash + regular hard drive.
Santa Rosa supports Robson, but I'm not sure if Apple will include it just yet. I'd say it all depends on if it's worthwhile addition. Meaning, the testing has been less than stellar for one reliable source.
3GB RAM max to 4GB
I also hope there's a slight case mod with a new KB and no latch.
Merom C2Ds can currently address up to 4GB. Santa Rosa's 2nd gen. Merom processors will also be able to address up to 4GB. Apple artificially limits it to 3GB. Unless Apple is using a new method we may be stuck at the same 3GB limit.
I never had a problem with PowerBook or MacBook Pros latches, but I do love my MacBook's magnetic latch a lot more. It would be nice if they include that.
Am I the only one noticing this???
• 2GB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300)
I thought one of the features of Santa Rosa was it was DDR2 800??? Am I missing something? I don't think they could hit 2.4 without it being ddr2800 and really grinding the multiplier... Leads me to believe these specs are 100% accurate, or Apple isn't running Santa Rosa??? Maybe It has Santa Rosa but apple is using old ram in place of it to get rid of the ram and you can actually put DDR2 800 in it?
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Am I the only one noticing this???
? 2GB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300)
I thought one of the features of Santa Rosa was it was DDR2 800??? Am I missing something? I don't think they could hit 2.4 without it being ddr2800 and really grinding the multiplier... Leads me to believe these specs are 100% accurate, or Apple isn't running Santa Rosa??? Maybe It has Santa Rosa but apple is using old ram in place of it to get rid of the ram and you can actually put DDR2 800 in it?
It's UP TO.
Not much regular 800 memory out now. what there is, is mostly for the enthusiast market, and we don't have enthusiasts on the Mac.
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Am I the only one noticing this???
? 2GB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300)
I thought one of the features of Santa Rosa was it was DDR2 800??? Am I missing something? I don't think they could hit 2.4 without it being ddr2800 and really grinding the multiplier... Leads me to believe these specs are 100% accurate, or Apple isn't running Santa Rosa??? Maybe It has Santa Rosa but apple is using old ram in place of it to get rid of the ram and you can actually put DDR2 800 in it?
DDR2 800 still costs a bomb.
I wouldn't want that - on a 15" screen? Maybe on a 17" screen. At 15" with 1920x1080, I'd be using a magnifying glass, what with the size of the palette fonts in Adobe Creative Suite. 1440*900 is good.
true it might be a bit of a squeeze, but shooting in 1920x1080 HDV, i'd like to be able to see it on screen without re-scaling (not to mention hi def dvd), and can't always have the external monitor handy. using FCP on a 15.4" at that res wouldn't be too much of a problem, as you aren't really reliant on pallettes. [touch wood my eyes are still pretty good!] i was thinking about the 17", but would go for the 15" if the option was there - for the luggability factor.
Merom C2Ds can currently address up to 4GB. Santa Rosa's 2nd gen. Merom processors will also be able to address up to 4GB. Apple artificially limits it to 3GB. Unless Apple is using a new method we may be stuck at the same 3GB limit.
Apple is not limiting it to 3GB. Santa Rosa is required to recognize the full 4GB of memory whether it is a Mac or a PC. The problem is that some PC manufactures have been advertizing theirs as having up to 4GB but in reality they only recognize a little over 3GB. They typically state in the fine print "all memory may not be available" or something along those lines. The MacBook Pros can recognize a little over 3GB with 4GB installed as well but Apple decided not to push the BS that far.
true it might be a bit of a squeeze, but shooting in 1920x1080 HDV, i'd like to be able to see it on screen without re-scaling (not to mention hi def dvd), and can't always have the external monitor handy. using FCP on a 15.4" at that res wouldn't be too much of a problem, as you aren't really reliant on pallettes. [touch wood my eyes are still pretty good!] i was thinking about the 17", but would go for the 15" if the option was there - for the luggability factor.
Unless you're going to stare bug-eyed at the screen, you won't get any benefit from 1080p on a 15" screen. You will barely be able to see it on a 17", unless you're real close.
A 20" screen requires that you be no more than 2.5' away for 1080p. A 15" would be no more than 24" and closer to 20".
nothing on the 17 incher's apparently? or is it the same as the new top of the line 15.4 + bigger screen size
That's essentially what it is now, anyways. With one extra USB 2.0 port.
A graphic for the education promo has appeared in the middle of the iTunes US store page.
Screenshot: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ing2/promo.jpg
How much of a difference is an ATI X1600 128MB to a NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT 128MB?
If I change my 2ghz core duo mbp to a new one that's the model I'd get.
I wouldn't want that - on a 15" screen? Maybe on a 17" screen. At 15" with 1920x1080, I'd be using a magnifying glass, what with the size of the palette fonts in Adobe Creative Suite. 1440*900 is good.
I'd be willing to bet that if you used a 15" display with a 1920 resolution, you'd think twice before making that statement. The crispness that resolution delivers on day-to-day tasks (particularly if you're image editing) more than makes up for any palette font issues, IMHO. Especially with the upcoming resolution-independent features of OSX, I'd take one in a heartbeat! Actually, why not make it a 4k monitor while you're at it, Apple?
No need to make excuses for the areas Apple has lagged in for the past few years - let's just hope for the best in the future!
Cheers,
Kevin
I'd be willing to bet that if you used a 15" display with a 1920 resolution, you'd think twice before making that statement.
My wife has such a laptop (15" at 1920 horizontal resolution) from work. We have it switched down to 1280x800 almost all the time. You know not all out there have the eyes of a 15 year old teen.
Now, with resolution-independence it is another game.
? NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
Any indication on how this compares to the old X1600?
Any indication on how this compares to the old X1600?
According to this benchmark, the 8600M GT outperforms the X1600 by about 2.5 times.
From here:
3DMark06 Notebook\t3DMark 06 Results
Asus G1S (Core 2 Duo T7500 2.20GHz, NVidia 8600M GT)\t3,816 3D Marks
HP nc8430 (2.16GHz Core 2 Duo, ATI X1600 256MB)\t1,745 3D Marks
Apple MacBook Pro (2.0GHz Core Duo, ATI X1600 128MB)\t1,528 3D Marks
Dell Precison M90 (2.16GHz Core Duo, nVidia Quadro FX 1500M)\t3,926 3D Marks
Alienware M7700 (AMD Athlon FX-60 Nvidia GeForce Go7800GTX)\t4,085 3D Marks
nothing on the 17 incher's
The 17 incher's what?
I've been using a 15" Dell notebook for years and I think 1680x1050 is the sweet spot of resolution on a 15". It's the one thing I'll miss from my Dell.
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Am I the only one noticing this???
• 2GB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300)
I thought one of the features of Santa Rosa was it was DDR2 800??? Am I missing something? I don't think they could hit 2.4 without it being ddr2800 and really grinding the multiplier... Leads me to believe these specs are 100% accurate, or Apple isn't running Santa Rosa??? Maybe It has Santa Rosa but apple is using old ram in place of it to get rid of the ram and you can actually put DDR2 800 in it?
DDR2 800 was cut as a feature from Santa Rosa last-minute. The FSB is still bumped to 800 MHz, however.