We've just had that rumor that Mercedes was going to have Apple GPS computer or whatver. And now BMW announce they want to be the first to have the newest coolest integrated. It sounds like Apple intentionally throwing in the rumor about Mercedes to unsettle BMW so now they're going to Apple themselves (instead of the other way around) and beg to have an exclusive deal on that non-existent GPS computer.
I do not believe for one minute that Steve Jobs is the sole reason that Apple made it. There are many employees at Apple?throughout the years?who have made significant contributions...without them Apple would have never survived or thrived. YEAH Apple employees!!!
I think this issue came out when "Pirates of Silicon Valley" was released. Jobs got paid $5,000 selling the game Breakout to Atari and told Woz he got nothing. I remember watching an interview where Woz was talking about this and the fact he was upset because Jobs lied to him.
Jobs paid Woz, he just lied about how much he made. I think it's explained in the book iWoz.
I do not believe for one minute that Steve Jobs is the sole reason that Apple made it. There are many employees at Apple?throughout the years?who have made significant contributions...without them Apple would have never survived or thrived. YEAH Apple employees!!!
True dat. It was a group effort. But Jobs was key.
I do not believe for one minute that Steve Jobs is the sole reason that Apple made it. There are many employees at Apple—throughout the years—who have made significant contributions...without them Apple would have never survived or thrived. YEAH Apple employees!!!
Steve Jobs agrees with you, as he mentions quite frequently the contribution that all Apple employees make to it's success. But there is no doubt that without SJ at the helm Apple would've been sunk by 2000. You need to have a leader directing the company. Apple had many of them, and many of them were poor leaders - not necessarily in general poor leaders - but poor leaders for Apple. Apple was not a company trying to compete against the Dell's of the world - they weren't about pushing boxes - they were about making great products and most of Apple's former presidents were trying to put the company into the league's of Dell. When Steve came back he simplified the company and directed Apple back to where it needed to focus on - making great products and not getting swept up in trying to compete against the "disposable" computer market.
As for what type of guy SJ is, or Woz is I'm sure they're both nice guys, I don't like how everyone seems to get on the "Steve Jobs is an a-hole" bandwagon. I like to reserve judgement for actual experience.
As for Job's screwing over Woz, I thought it was over that challenge that Atari (or somebody) had. They had a contest that would pay a certain amount of money for each chip that could be reduced on a floppy drive. Woz got the chips down to 5 (from 50 I think)... and Steve got the money and "split" it with Woz. Steve apparently never told Woz how much the contest actually paid with was something on the order of $5000... so yeah Steve was an a-hole there.\ But I always got the impression that their relationship was good now?
As for what type of guy SJ is, or Woz is I'm sure they're both nice guys, I don't like how everyone seems to get on the "Steve Jobs is an a-hole" bandwagon. I like to reserve judgement for actual experience.
Uhh... no. Jobs is infamous for yelling at and/or humiliating employees, though reports are he's mellowed some in recent years.
And apparently 'a**-hole' is a nickname for Jobs oft-used among his friends, and Jobs allegedly refers to himself as such also. At least he's aware of it.
As for Job's screwing over Woz, I thought it was over that challenge that Atari (or somebody) had. They had a contest that would pay a certain amount of money for each chip that could be reduced on a floppy drive. Woz got the chips down to 5 (from 50 I think)... and Steve got the money and "split" it with Woz. Steve apparently never told Woz how much the contest actually paid with was something on the order of $5000... so yeah Steve was an a-hole there.\ But I always got the impression that their relationship was good now?
They had an idea to turn PONG into a single player game, where the player would use a ball to deplete a wall of bricks without missing the ball on its rebound. Bushnell was certain the game would be popular, and the two partnered to produce a concept. Al Alcorn was assigned as the project manager, and began development with Cyan Engineering in 1975. The same year, Alcorn assigned Steve Jobs to design a prototype. Jobs was offered $750 USD, with an extra $100 each time a chip was eliminated from the prospected design. Jobs promised to complete a prototype within four days.
Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak?employee of Hewlett-Packard?was capable of producing designs with a small amount of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. Wozniak had no sketches and instead interpreted the game from its description. To save parts, he had "tricky little designs" difficult to understand for most engineers. Near the end of development, Wozniak considered moving the high score to the screen's top, but Jobs claimed Bushnell wanted it at the bottom; Wozniak unaware of any truth to his claims. The original deadline was met, and 50 chips were removed from Jobs' original design. This equated to a $5000 USD bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375.
Atari was unable to use Steve Wozniak's design. By designing the board with as few chips as possible, he also cut down the amount of TTL (transistor-transistor logic) chips to 42. This made the design difficult to manufacture ? it was too compact and complicated to be feasible with Atari's manufacturing methods. However, Wozniak claims Atari could not understand the design, and speculates "maybe some engineer there was trying to make some kind of modification to it". Atari ended up designing their own version for production, which contained about 100 TTL chips. Wozniak found the gameplay to be the same as his original creation, and couldn't find any differences.
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I don't have my copy of iWoz handy but that seems close to the situation.. I don't remember if he mentions in the book whether or not they used his design in the end.
Woz and Jobs have been on the outs for awhile though.
Apparently it came out, years after the fact, that when Woz and Jobs were starving up-and-comers, Jobs screwed Woz out of some money. Woz apparently was pretty irate, not over the money but over the principle of the thing, and retold the story to an interviewer or someone. Which infuriated Jobs apparently, who refused to be photographed on a Macworld stage with Woz in late '90s.
I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that, but given their respective personalities (Woz = idealist, Jobs = salesman/relentless corporate competitor), I'd imagine Jobs was likely morally in the wrong.
Woz: 'No thanks, Steve. I'll wait like everyone else.'
Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak doesn't have to wait in line for one of the company's first mobile handsets, but he's doing so anyway out in San Jose. Althogh Woz is due to receive a complimentary iPhone from Steve Jobs on Saturday, he has a few other reasons to stay the wait.
Woz wants one immediately -- plus some for his three children -- and is standing in an hours-long line for the first time since 1972, when he coveted Rolling Stones concert tickets.
I've been on various Mac topic mailing lists for many, many years, and occasionally Woz would be a subscriber to that list. You won't find the other Steve interacting with us commoners!
Atari was unable to use Steve Wozniak's design. By designing the board with as few chips as possible, he also cut down the amount of TTL (transistor-transistor logic) chips to 42. This made the design difficult to manufacture ? it was too compact and complicated to be feasible with Atari's manufacturing methods. However, Wozniak claims Atari could not understand the design, and speculates "maybe some engineer there was trying to make some kind of modification to it". Atari ended up designing their own version for production, which contained about 100 TTL chips. Wozniak found the gameplay to be the same as his original creation, and couldn't find any differences.
Woz seems like a frickin' genious - and yet he's so.... normal (compared to other intelligent people who have no "people skills")
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We've just had that rumor that Mercedes was going to have Apple GPS computer or whatver. And now BMW announce they want to be the first to have the newest coolest integrated. It sounds like Apple intentionally throwing in the rumor about Mercedes to unsettle BMW so now they're going to Apple themselves (instead of the other way around) and beg to have an exclusive deal on that non-existent GPS computer.
...mouth-breather Ballmer.
Ballmer who?
I do not believe for one minute that Steve Jobs is the sole reason that Apple made it. There are many employees at Apple?throughout the years?who have made significant contributions...without them Apple would have never survived or thrived. YEAH Apple employees!!!
I think this issue came out when "Pirates of Silicon Valley" was released. Jobs got paid $5,000 selling the game Breakout to Atari and told Woz he got nothing. I remember watching an interview where Woz was talking about this and the fact he was upset because Jobs lied to him.
Jobs paid Woz, he just lied about how much he made. I think it's explained in the book iWoz.
True dat. It was a group effort. But Jobs was key.
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Can't forget Gil Amelio either.
I do not believe for one minute that Steve Jobs is the sole reason that Apple made it. There are many employees at Apple?throughout the years?who have made significant contributions...without them Apple would have never survived or thrived. YEAH Apple employees!!!
True dat. It was a group effort. But Jobs was key.
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I do not believe for one minute that Steve Jobs is the sole reason that Apple made it. There are many employees at Apple—throughout the years—who have made significant contributions...without them Apple would have never survived or thrived. YEAH Apple employees!!!
Steve Jobs agrees with you, as he mentions quite frequently the contribution that all Apple employees make to it's success. But there is no doubt that without SJ at the helm Apple would've been sunk by 2000. You need to have a leader directing the company. Apple had many of them, and many of them were poor leaders - not necessarily in general poor leaders - but poor leaders for Apple. Apple was not a company trying to compete against the Dell's of the world - they weren't about pushing boxes - they were about making great products and most of Apple's former presidents were trying to put the company into the league's of Dell. When Steve came back he simplified the company and directed Apple back to where it needed to focus on - making great products and not getting swept up in trying to compete against the "disposable" computer market.
As for what type of guy SJ is, or Woz is I'm sure they're both nice guys, I don't like how everyone seems to get on the "Steve Jobs is an a-hole" bandwagon. I like to reserve judgement for actual experience.
As for Job's screwing over Woz, I thought it was over that challenge that Atari (or somebody) had. They had a contest that would pay a certain amount of money for each chip that could be reduced on a floppy drive. Woz got the chips down to 5 (from 50 I think)... and Steve got the money and "split" it with Woz. Steve apparently never told Woz how much the contest actually paid with was something on the order of $5000... so yeah Steve was an a-hole there.
As for what type of guy SJ is, or Woz is I'm sure they're both nice guys, I don't like how everyone seems to get on the "Steve Jobs is an a-hole" bandwagon. I like to reserve judgement for actual experience.
Uhh... no. Jobs is infamous for yelling at and/or humiliating employees, though reports are he's mellowed some in recent years.
And apparently 'a**-hole' is a nickname for Jobs oft-used among his friends, and Jobs allegedly refers to himself as such also. At least he's aware of it.
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As for Job's screwing over Woz, I thought it was over that challenge that Atari (or somebody) had. They had a contest that would pay a certain amount of money for each chip that could be reduced on a floppy drive. Woz got the chips down to 5 (from 50 I think)... and Steve got the money and "split" it with Woz. Steve apparently never told Woz how much the contest actually paid with was something on the order of $5000... so yeah Steve was an a-hole there.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakout
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They had an idea to turn PONG into a single player game, where the player would use a ball to deplete a wall of bricks without missing the ball on its rebound. Bushnell was certain the game would be popular, and the two partnered to produce a concept. Al Alcorn was assigned as the project manager, and began development with Cyan Engineering in 1975. The same year, Alcorn assigned Steve Jobs to design a prototype. Jobs was offered $750 USD, with an extra $100 each time a chip was eliminated from the prospected design. Jobs promised to complete a prototype within four days.
Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak?employee of Hewlett-Packard?was capable of producing designs with a small amount of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. Wozniak had no sketches and instead interpreted the game from its description. To save parts, he had "tricky little designs" difficult to understand for most engineers. Near the end of development, Wozniak considered moving the high score to the screen's top, but Jobs claimed Bushnell wanted it at the bottom; Wozniak unaware of any truth to his claims. The original deadline was met, and 50 chips were removed from Jobs' original design. This equated to a $5000 USD bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375.
Atari was unable to use Steve Wozniak's design. By designing the board with as few chips as possible, he also cut down the amount of TTL (transistor-transistor logic) chips to 42. This made the design difficult to manufacture ? it was too compact and complicated to be feasible with Atari's manufacturing methods. However, Wozniak claims Atari could not understand the design, and speculates "maybe some engineer there was trying to make some kind of modification to it". Atari ended up designing their own version for production, which contained about 100 TTL chips. Wozniak found the gameplay to be the same as his original creation, and couldn't find any differences.
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I don't have my copy of iWoz handy but that seems close to the situation.. I don't remember if he mentions in the book whether or not they used his design in the end.
Woz and Jobs have been on the outs for awhile though.
Apparently it came out, years after the fact, that when Woz and Jobs were starving up-and-comers, Jobs screwed Woz out of some money. Woz apparently was pretty irate, not over the money but over the principle of the thing, and retold the story to an interviewer or someone. Which infuriated Jobs apparently, who refused to be photographed on a Macworld stage with Woz in late '90s.
I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that, but given their respective personalities (Woz = idealist, Jobs = salesman/relentless corporate competitor), I'd imagine Jobs was likely morally in the wrong.
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Yup... It's all in Apple Confidential
Can't forget Gil Amelio either.
Shivers just ran down my back....
True dat. It was a group effort. But Jobs was key.
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Totally true dat!!!1!
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Woz: 'No thanks, Steve. I'll wait like everyone else.'
Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak doesn't have to wait in line for one of the company's first mobile handsets, but he's doing so anyway out in San Jose. Althogh Woz is due to receive a complimentary iPhone from Steve Jobs on Saturday, he has a few other reasons to stay the wait.
Woz wants one immediately -- plus some for his three children -- and is standing in an hours-long line for the first time since 1972, when he coveted Rolling Stones concert tickets.
I've been on various Mac topic mailing lists for many, many years, and occasionally Woz would be a subscriber to that list. You won't find the other Steve interacting with us commoners!
Totally true dat!!!1!
Maybe you're being sarcastic, maybe not... either way, don't care:
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I'm glad the lady reporter is ok, but overall... F*** Fox 'News':
Too bad it wasn't CNN where they PAY the 'enemy' to deliver "the most trusted name in new" - BULL SH*T
Atari was unable to use Steve Wozniak's design. By designing the board with as few chips as possible, he also cut down the amount of TTL (transistor-transistor logic) chips to 42. This made the design difficult to manufacture ? it was too compact and complicated to be feasible with Atari's manufacturing methods. However, Wozniak claims Atari could not understand the design, and speculates "maybe some engineer there was trying to make some kind of modification to it". Atari ended up designing their own version for production, which contained about 100 TTL chips. Wozniak found the gameplay to be the same as his original creation, and couldn't find any differences.
Woz seems like a frickin' genious - and yet he's so.... normal (compared to other intelligent people who have no "people skills")
Too bad it wasn't CNN where they PAY the 'enemy' to deliver "the most trusted name in new" - BULL SH*T
I'm surprised you're able to turn on your own computer.
TRUE DAT!!!!11!!
TRUE DAT!!!!11!!
You should make that part of your sig.
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