While I can't confirm what TS has stated, I can tell you that there are a whole lot more people involved when a new Apple product comes to market. The board (and a few others, like JI) is only exclusively involved until the prototypes are agreed upon.
Apple's board, doesn't write the manuals; updated the Apple.com website; manufacturer the boxes, etc.
There are a lot of people who could have seen the packaging, manuals, or something to tell TS.
Agreed. The real speculation is on timing which is much harder for one source to put an exact date on.
While I can't confirm what TS has stated, I can tell you that there are a whole lot more people involved when a new Apple product comes to market. The board (and a few others, like JI) is only exclusively involved until the prototypes are agreed upon.
Apple's board, doesn't write the manuals; updated the Apple.com website; manufacturer the boxes, etc.
There are a lot of people who could have seen the packaging, manuals, or something to tell TS.
And Apple makes your life hell if you dare to spill their vaunted secrets.I don't think anyone who values their employment will spill secrets, especially since I doubt Think Secret has a huge coffer from which to bribe Apple employees.
And Apple makes your life hell if you dare to spill their vaunted secrets.I don't think anyone who values their employment will spill secrets, especially since I doubt Think Secret has a huge coffer from which to bribe Apple employees.
Agreed. But things to slip through from time to time. Again, while not confirming what TS said, if new iMacs are to be introduced next month, then it is reasonable to believe quite a few people both inside and outside of Apple has seen this new iMac by now.
The guts of a MBP + desktop video card + faster, larger hard drive + new enclosure = New iMac.
What am I missing?
Dave
was expecting basically MBP specs in an imac enclosure, where did i indicate i was expecting xeons?
dissappointment was with the fact that think secret was touting august, really really hope their wrong, need it asap and if its not released before end of july will probs have to go with a MBP
I know this may sound blasphemous but the iMac right now is a weak link in Apple's lineup and it's the center of where Steve Jobs is continually making gaffes.
The range that the iMac lives in within computerdom demands more than laptop internals IMO. If I want Santa Rosa then I want a MacBook Pro.
If I want to spend $1500 then I don't want a laptop I want a desktop chipset with a Conroe processor.
Apple could assuage my angst by simply delivering a Mac Pro at $1499 sans monitor.
We don't know the pricing right now but a 20" monitor is now $269 I don't think a 20" iMac should be more than $999
$999 for 20"? may be 1199/1299 may be more realistic. But 17" is missing i do not know how apple want to play the game.
20" iMac
1680 x 1050
1.8 Ghz C2D
1 GB RAM
160 GB
Combo Drive
IG
$999
20" iMac
1680 x 1050
2.0 Ghz C2D
1 GB RAM
250 GB
Super Drive
128 MB VRAM
$1299 (or 1199)
24" iMac
1900 x 1200
2.4Ghz C2D
2 GB RAM
500 GB
Super Super Drive - you know what i meant
256 MB VRAM
$1599 (if above two happens)
IMHO 22" and 27" will be nice, that way we can reduce the thickness of the machine, more space for cooling. then again it may add more cost...
Agreed. But things to slip through from time to time. Again, while not confirming what TS said, if new iMacs are to be introduced next month, then it is reasonable to believe quite a few people both inside and outside of Apple has seen this new iMac by now.
I'm getting of people citing Think Secret as a credible site these days. TS has messed up their predictions on almost every major Apple announcement in the past year or two. They were once a great source, but now they live off their prior reputation of being accurate.
AppleInsider predicted the iMac for Late July/August while Think Secret was busy rushing news of iMacs at WWDC to the press. Now that TS aligns with AI in terms of industrial design and August release we see it as confirmation? Think Secret is simply rehashing the words of AI while changing their mind constantly on any addition they add to the story.
I read AI because they aren't wrong too often, and when they are they don't pretend they were always right on the story. Now let's all stop feeding TS hits and give them the same respect we give MacOSRumors.
Pretty much bang-on, Myst -- I've noticed that TS is echoing a lot of what AI says lately. Though narrowing the release window to August is a bit different than the July/August window AI has posted so far, so maybe they finally got something of an inside track.
That said, I suspect AI will probably have more detail relatively soon.
$999 for 20"? may be 1199/1299 may be more realistic. But 17" is missing i do not know how apple want to play the game.
20" iMac
1680 x 1050
1.8 Ghz C2D
1 GB RAM
160 GB
Combo Drive
IG
$999
Combo Drive!!!!!?????
Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me, Apple intentionally cripple the cheapest computers in their line up to get people to buy the more expensive models. The £649 MacBook has a Combo Drive, The cheapest iMac currently has a Combo Drive, as does the cheapest Mac Mini.
Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me, Apple intentionally cripple the cheapest computers in their line up to get people to buy the more expensive models. The £649 MacBook has a Combo Drive, The cheapest iMac currently has a Combo Drive, as does the cheapest Mac Mini.
They do that because not everyone needs a SuperDrive, and therefore not everyone wants to pay for it. But using ploys to get you to buy the higher-end machine isn't dirty or anything, it's good business. No one offers the Holy Grail Of Computing for $1000.
They do that because not everyone needs a SuperDrive, and therefore not everyone wants to pay for it. But using ploys to get you to buy the higher-end machine isn't dirty or anything, it's good business. No one offers the Holy Grail Of Computing for $1000.
but surely it gives critics ammunition against apple, that they are still selling a machine at that price without a dvd burner in 2007
I know this may sound blasphemous but the iMac right now is a weak link in Apple's lineup and it's the center of where Steve Jobs is continually making gaffes. . . . If I want to spend $1500 then I don't want a laptop I want a desktop chipset with a Conroe processor.
I'm pretty sure the Merom and Conroe have similar performance numbers, and in fact, are architecturally identical. Correct me if I'm wrong. The Merom is pricier, and they could perhaps bring the cost down by using the Conroe, but Apple is not in the low-price market, no matter how much you'd like them to be. It doesn't make sense for them. It's a better business case for them at the moment to make higher profit margins on really cool, but pricier, hardware. The Merom allows them to deliver a level of sophistication in design that the Conroe cannot.
If you have a problem with this, buy a fucking Dell. There's not much we can do about it.
I'm pretty sure the Merom and Conroe have similar performance numbers, and in fact, are architecturally identical. Correct me if I'm wrong. The Merom is pricier, and they could perhaps bring the cost down by using the Conroe, but Apple is not in the low-price market, no matter how much you'd like them to be. It doesn't make sense for them. It's a better business case for them at the moment to make higher profit margins on really cool, but pricier, hardware. The Merom allows them to deliver a level of sophistication in design that the Conroe cannot.
If you have a problem with this, buy a fucking Dell. There's not much we can do about it.
Whoa, that's coming on a bit strong isn't it? I agree with Murch. It would be nice to get alittle more processing power for less, no? I understand the design constraints. I wonder if these couldn't be solved by moving the guts back into the stand and base area of the machine.
Whoa, that's coming on a bit strong isn't it? I agree with Murch. It would be nice to get alittle more processing power for less, no? I understand the design constraints. I wonder if these couldn't be solved by moving the guts back into the stand and base area of the machine.
You may save $100 and get a boost from 2.16 to 2.4 GHz, but with a Conroe, the case will have to get thicker, and the power consumption will increase, requiring a larger power supply. As for moving back to an iMac G4-style case, I'll pass. It was a great design, but returning to it would be like admitting that the current design was a dud, which it certainly is not.
If you have a problem with this, buy a fucking Dell. There's not much we can do about it.
Someone forgot their Xanax today...
In my case, I am at this new corporation that seems to have a problem with me replacing my personal MBP with company-owned equipment because Mac is perceived as being too expensive (replies questioning my choice of company should be sent to mailto:/dev/null). For the last few weeks, I was hoping to see an iMac with SPECint midway between my MBP and a entry-level Mac Pro with a reasonable price. Considering I can build an overclocked hackintosh based on a Conroe Q6600 and putting out more GHz than a 2.66 quad for $1000 (street price), this isn't too much to ask for.
Apple needs to figure out how to not botch their lead again. I don't expect them to be the industry leader, but think different is getting tiring. It would be nice to be able to ask for a Mac for my desktop and not have it be such a hassle.
Sounds not unlike the constant shit you post about Apple Television sets comming out
Wow, you're an ass.
Not to argue in a non-argument, but Apple bringing out a television is a slightly different matter than them releasing new-overdue iMacs. Especially with the all-in-one features I'm talking about.
I'm getting of people citing Think Secret as a credible site these days. TS has messed up their predictions on almost every major Apple announcement in the past year or two. They were once a great source, but now they live off their prior reputation of being accurate.
AppleInsider predicted the iMac for Late July/August while Think Secret was busy rushing news of iMacs at WWDC to the press. Now that TS aligns with AI in terms of industrial design and August release we see it as confirmation? Think Secret is simply rehashing the words of AI while changing their mind constantly on any addition they add to the story.
I read AI because they aren't wrong too often, and when they are they don't pretend they were always right on the story. Now let's all stop feeding TS hits and give them the same respect we give MacOSRumors.
In my case, I am at this new corporation that seems to have a problem with me replacing my personal MBP with company-owned equipment because Mac is perceived as being too expensive (replies questioning my choice of company should be sent to mailto:/dev/null). For the last few weeks, I was hoping to see an iMac with SPECint midway between my MBP and a entry-level Mac Pro with a reasonable price. Considering I can build an overclocked hackintosh based on a Conroe Q6600 and putting out more GHz than a 2.66 quad for $1000 (street price), this isn't too much to ask for.
Apple needs to figure out how to not botch their lead again. I don't expect them to be the industry leader, but think different is getting tiring. It would be nice to be able to ask for a Mac for my desktop and not have it be such a hassle.
Welcome to AI. Spare the snide comments until you've been around long enough to realize that a blunt exchange between longtime members is not necessarily hostile. Mostly, just blunt.
Moving on, I've never heard of a company that refers to SPECint before purchasing hardware. Moreover, will they not buy you an MBP? Apple laptops seem to cost the same as PC laptops with similar features. What do you do that would make it useful for you to have an "ovreclocked hackintosh Conroe," or, for that matter, an overclocked Conroe PC, and has you in a situation where your "company" can't just pony up for a Mac Pro? It just doesn't make sense to me: anyone doing any kind of meaningful, compute-intense work will have spent far more on software than hardware.
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Wrong.
While I can't confirm what TS has stated, I can tell you that there are a whole lot more people involved when a new Apple product comes to market. The board (and a few others, like JI) is only exclusively involved until the prototypes are agreed upon.
Apple's board, doesn't write the manuals; updated the Apple.com website; manufacturer the boxes, etc.
There are a lot of people who could have seen the packaging, manuals, or something to tell TS.
Agreed. The real speculation is on timing which is much harder for one source to put an exact date on.
Wrong.
While I can't confirm what TS has stated, I can tell you that there are a whole lot more people involved when a new Apple product comes to market. The board (and a few others, like JI) is only exclusively involved until the prototypes are agreed upon.
Apple's board, doesn't write the manuals; updated the Apple.com website; manufacturer the boxes, etc.
There are a lot of people who could have seen the packaging, manuals, or something to tell TS.
And Apple makes your life hell if you dare to spill their vaunted secrets.I don't think anyone who values their employment will spill secrets, especially since I doubt Think Secret has a huge coffer from which to bribe Apple employees.
And Apple makes your life hell if you dare to spill their vaunted secrets.I don't think anyone who values their employment will spill secrets, especially since I doubt Think Secret has a huge coffer from which to bribe Apple employees.
Agreed. But things to slip through from time to time. Again, while not confirming what TS said, if new iMacs are to be introduced next month, then it is reasonable to believe quite a few people both inside and outside of Apple has seen this new iMac by now.
That is all I was trying to get across.
Dave
What were you expecting? Dual-Quad Core Xeons?
The guts of a MBP + desktop video card + faster, larger hard drive + new enclosure = New iMac.
What am I missing?
Dave
was expecting basically MBP specs in an imac enclosure, where did i indicate i was expecting xeons?
dissappointment was with the fact that think secret was touting august, really really hope their wrong, need it asap and if its not released before end of july will probs have to go with a MBP
I know this may sound blasphemous but the iMac right now is a weak link in Apple's lineup and it's the center of where Steve Jobs is continually making gaffes.
The range that the iMac lives in within computerdom demands more than laptop internals IMO. If I want Santa Rosa then I want a MacBook Pro.
If I want to spend $1500 then I don't want a laptop I want a desktop chipset with a Conroe processor.
Apple could assuage my angst by simply delivering a Mac Pro at $1499 sans monitor.
We don't know the pricing right now but a 20" monitor is now $269 I don't think a 20" iMac should be more than $999
$999 for 20"? may be 1199/1299 may be more realistic. But 17" is missing i do not know how apple want to play the game.
20" iMac
1680 x 1050
1.8 Ghz C2D
1 GB RAM
160 GB
Combo Drive
IG
$999
20" iMac
1680 x 1050
2.0 Ghz C2D
1 GB RAM
250 GB
Super Drive
128 MB VRAM
$1299 (or 1199)
24" iMac
1900 x 1200
2.4Ghz C2D
2 GB RAM
500 GB
Super Super Drive - you know what i meant
256 MB VRAM
$1599 (if above two happens)
IMHO 22" and 27" will be nice, that way we can reduce the thickness of the machine, more space for cooling. then again it may add more cost...
Agreed. But things to slip through from time to time. Again, while not confirming what TS said, if new iMacs are to be introduced next month, then it is reasonable to believe quite a few people both inside and outside of Apple has seen this new iMac by now.
That is all I was trying to get across.
Dave
Oops! I misunderstood your initial post.
Dave
AppleInsider predicted the iMac for Late July/August while Think Secret was busy rushing news of iMacs at WWDC to the press. Now that TS aligns with AI in terms of industrial design and August release we see it as confirmation? Think Secret is simply rehashing the words of AI while changing their mind constantly on any addition they add to the story.
I read AI because they aren't wrong too often, and when they are they don't pretend they were always right on the story. Now let's all stop feeding TS hits and give them the same respect we give MacOSRumors.
That said, I suspect AI will probably have more detail relatively soon.
i am not expecting a huge drop in price but a reasonable one would be nice.
Just got to wait i guess...
$999 for 20"? may be 1199/1299 may be more realistic. But 17" is missing i do not know how apple want to play the game.
20" iMac
1680 x 1050
1.8 Ghz C2D
1 GB RAM
160 GB
Combo Drive
IG
$999
Combo Drive!!!!!?????
Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me, Apple intentionally cripple the cheapest computers in their line up to get people to buy the more expensive models. The £649 MacBook has a Combo Drive, The cheapest iMac currently has a Combo Drive, as does the cheapest Mac Mini.
Combo Drive!!!!!?????
Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me, Apple intentionally cripple the cheapest computers in their line up to get people to buy the more expensive models. The £649 MacBook has a Combo Drive, The cheapest iMac currently has a Combo Drive, as does the cheapest Mac Mini.
They do that because not everyone needs a SuperDrive, and therefore not everyone wants to pay for it. But using ploys to get you to buy the higher-end machine isn't dirty or anything, it's good business. No one offers the Holy Grail Of Computing for $1000.
They do that because not everyone needs a SuperDrive, and therefore not everyone wants to pay for it. But using ploys to get you to buy the higher-end machine isn't dirty or anything, it's good business. No one offers the Holy Grail Of Computing for $1000.
but surely it gives critics ammunition against apple, that they are still selling a machine at that price without a dvd burner in 2007
I know this may sound blasphemous but the iMac right now is a weak link in Apple's lineup and it's the center of where Steve Jobs is continually making gaffes. . . . If I want to spend $1500 then I don't want a laptop I want a desktop chipset with a Conroe processor.
I'm pretty sure the Merom and Conroe have similar performance numbers, and in fact, are architecturally identical. Correct me if I'm wrong. The Merom is pricier, and they could perhaps bring the cost down by using the Conroe, but Apple is not in the low-price market, no matter how much you'd like them to be. It doesn't make sense for them. It's a better business case for them at the moment to make higher profit margins on really cool, but pricier, hardware. The Merom allows them to deliver a level of sophistication in design that the Conroe cannot.
If you have a problem with this, buy a fucking Dell. There's not much we can do about it.
I'm pretty sure the Merom and Conroe have similar performance numbers, and in fact, are architecturally identical. Correct me if I'm wrong. The Merom is pricier, and they could perhaps bring the cost down by using the Conroe, but Apple is not in the low-price market, no matter how much you'd like them to be. It doesn't make sense for them. It's a better business case for them at the moment to make higher profit margins on really cool, but pricier, hardware. The Merom allows them to deliver a level of sophistication in design that the Conroe cannot.
If you have a problem with this, buy a fucking Dell. There's not much we can do about it.
Whoa, that's coming on a bit strong isn't it? I agree with Murch. It would be nice to get alittle more processing power for less, no? I understand the design constraints. I wonder if these couldn't be solved by moving the guts back into the stand and base area of the machine.
Whoa, that's coming on a bit strong isn't it? I agree with Murch. It would be nice to get alittle more processing power for less, no? I understand the design constraints. I wonder if these couldn't be solved by moving the guts back into the stand and base area of the machine.
You may save $100 and get a boost from 2.16 to 2.4 GHz, but with a Conroe, the case will have to get thicker, and the power consumption will increase, requiring a larger power supply. As for moving back to an iMac G4-style case, I'll pass. It was a great design, but returning to it would be like admitting that the current design was a dud, which it certainly is not.
If you have a problem with this, buy a fucking Dell. There's not much we can do about it.
Someone forgot their Xanax today...
In my case, I am at this new corporation that seems to have a problem with me replacing my personal MBP with company-owned equipment because Mac is perceived as being too expensive (replies questioning my choice of company should be sent to mailto:/dev/null). For the last few weeks, I was hoping to see an iMac with SPECint midway between my MBP and a entry-level Mac Pro with a reasonable price. Considering I can build an overclocked hackintosh based on a Conroe Q6600 and putting out more GHz than a 2.66 quad for $1000 (street price), this isn't too much to ask for.
Apple needs to figure out how to not botch their lead again. I don't expect them to be the industry leader, but think different is getting tiring. It would be nice to be able to ask for a Mac for my desktop and not have it be such a hassle.
Sounds not unlike the constant shit you post about Apple Television sets comming out
Wow, you're an ass.
Not to argue in a non-argument, but Apple bringing out a television is a slightly different matter than them releasing new-overdue iMacs. Especially with the all-in-one features I'm talking about.
I'm getting of people citing Think Secret as a credible site these days. TS has messed up their predictions on almost every major Apple announcement in the past year or two. They were once a great source, but now they live off their prior reputation of being accurate.
AppleInsider predicted the iMac for Late July/August while Think Secret was busy rushing news of iMacs at WWDC to the press. Now that TS aligns with AI in terms of industrial design and August release we see it as confirmation? Think Secret is simply rehashing the words of AI while changing their mind constantly on any addition they add to the story.
I read AI because they aren't wrong too often, and when they are they don't pretend they were always right on the story. Now let's all stop feeding TS hits and give them the same respect we give MacOSRumors.
Wholly agreed.
Someone forgot their Xanax today...
In my case, I am at this new corporation that seems to have a problem with me replacing my personal MBP with company-owned equipment because Mac is perceived as being too expensive (replies questioning my choice of company should be sent to mailto:/dev/null). For the last few weeks, I was hoping to see an iMac with SPECint midway between my MBP and a entry-level Mac Pro with a reasonable price. Considering I can build an overclocked hackintosh based on a Conroe Q6600 and putting out more GHz than a 2.66 quad for $1000 (street price), this isn't too much to ask for.
Apple needs to figure out how to not botch their lead again. I don't expect them to be the industry leader, but think different is getting tiring. It would be nice to be able to ask for a Mac for my desktop and not have it be such a hassle.
Welcome to AI. Spare the snide comments until you've been around long enough to realize that a blunt exchange between longtime members is not necessarily hostile. Mostly, just blunt.
Moving on, I've never heard of a company that refers to SPECint before purchasing hardware. Moreover, will they not buy you an MBP? Apple laptops seem to cost the same as PC laptops with similar features. What do you do that would make it useful for you to have an "ovreclocked hackintosh Conroe," or, for that matter, an overclocked Conroe PC, and has you in a situation where your "company" can't just pony up for a Mac Pro? It just doesn't make sense to me: anyone doing any kind of meaningful, compute-intense work will have spent far more on software than hardware.
No one offers the Holy Grail Of Computing for $1000.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883107398
Well, it's Windows, but you can get the idea about the quad-core consumer hardware.