Did I miss something? Apple wants to keep the price of each song on iTunes at $0.99. It's Sony and the other record labels who want to raise the prices.
Stringer is just mightily pissed that Sony wasn't invited on-stage at MWSF in January. He was counting on an invitation so he could get some of teh "cool" that Steve has. Without it, he's seriously sliding towards the chopping block.
As for the PS3, Sony does lose money on each sale, but in the process, it's building up Blu-Ray penetration which will help it in the long run with its Hollywood property (selling DVDs), and there is a halo effect with the premium-priced Sony Bravia TVs (on which to display the beautiful PS3 images). In Sony's strategy, if Blu-Ray can kill of HD-DVD thru this approach, and become the new DVD standard, it will have been worth it.
Not for the price in my opinion. Spend that money on a iPhone or PS3... I'd put in on a iPhone. it fits in your pocket better!
I thought we were dealing with facts, not opinions here. I wouldn't want a PS3 for any price. Paying anything for it too much in my opinion as I'm not a gamer. The fact remains that Sony is losing money on each one. But they have a plan and it's a good one.
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Originally Posted by RealAppleIcon
SHS accuses Steve Jobs of being Greedy - let's look at the facts
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Don't forget ATRAC and Rootkit. I know there is a lot more too.
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Originally Posted by mark2005
As for the PS3, Sony does lose money on each sale, but in the process, it's building up Blu-Ray penetration which will help it in the long run with its Hollywood property (selling DVDs), and there is a halo effect with the premium-priced Sony Bravia TVs (on which to display the beautiful PS3 images). In Sony's strategy, if Blu-Ray can kill of HD-DVD thru this approach, and become the new DVD standard, it will have been worth it.
That is my thoughts too, yet this is the first time I'm seen anyone share my sentiment. 2-3 decades of licensing an optical format will outshine a couple years of PS3 sales. (And yes people, there will be a need for physical media in the future. Bandwidth speeds are not there yet and won't be the majority of users for many moons)
Even though the PS3 will surely be sold for more than a few years, I estimate that by then the costs will come down enough for Sony to profit on each sale.
Stringer is just mightily pissed that Sony wasn't invited on-stage at MWSF in January. He was counting on an invitation so he could get some of the "cool" that Steve has. Without it, he's seriously sliding towards the chopping block.
Heh, the last time a Sony CEO went onstage with Steve Jobs, he threw away any pretense of self-dignity and literally begged Steve to forget about doing hardware and focus on software. For the Japanese, a CEO doing this would be a major loss of face. Oh it was painful to watch. The guy was gone soon after that.
i just dont know about sony anymore, they use to be good but, i just sold my ps3 because am afried it will break withing a year like almost all their products and thats not a risk am willing to take, not to mention it also sucks by the way. about the iphone and european countires, of course they are getting the 3G model the only reason we did not get it its becauses ATTs lack of 3G coverage, thats why steve said clearly we are goin to europe next year, in other words he ment when the 3G model becomes available
Although he is the head of a multinational company with influence in virtually every aspect of home electronics and media, Sony head Sir Howard Stringer was reportedly undeterred from accusing Apple's leader Steve Jobs of only caring about his and Apple's wealth at a recent Allen & Co. media conference.
Sony is just bitter because they can't get anyone to buy their PS3 console. No one wants a game console with games that just aren't any fun to play. Nintendo is cleaning Sony's clock. Not to mention the #1 selling game console in the world... Nintendo DS.
As an Apple shareholder I am happy to let Steve Jobs fiercely trying to defends Apple's right to make money. It's called Capitalism. Out of the 10s of thousands of companies one can invest in why would you not invest your hard earned money into a company that had a Tiger (or should I say Leopard) at the helm.
If more companies were run by CEOs who were as demanding and creative as Jobs, I would look to invest in them. For now, I'm going with Steve. He's up 1000% in the last 5 years. Show me another track record of a CEO that comes close.
Try comparing a 5 year chart of Sony vs Apple. Then tell me the Sony CEO isn't being childish because he's not capable of producing similar results.
The true touche will be when Steve Jobs and Apple upgrade the AppleTV device to download online HD movie rentals. Thus obsoleting Sony's new Blue Ray Disc format. Why buy a $1000 player and spend $30 per movie when you can rent it on your AppleTV for $3. Think about it. What Hollywood movie made in the last 10 years is worth watching more than once or twice, let alone 10 times.
No one wants PS3, no one will want Blue Ray. I've bought movies on VHS. I've bought movies on DVD. And I am here to tell you I have bought my last movie. It's Apple TV rentals for me going forward. And don't get me started on those theives at Blockbuster. Watching them go down in flames is going to be even more fun.
the only reason we did not get it its becauses ATTs lack of 3G coverage
That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly ore space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.
While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.
Anandtech goes into into some excellent detail about it.
(left) iPhons EDGE in purple & 802.11b/g in green; (right) Samsung Blackjack UMTS in red
You posted dimensions and weigh for both devices but you don't have forgottern to make any relevant point? The pic I posted clearly shows the size differences in chipsets and the article clearly demonstrates the battery usage of UTMS. When Tardis Technology is perfected perhaps we'll be able to have chips that are actually larger than the space they occupy.
So, who's funny and who's the racist -- you, or vinney57?
Sony's a Japanese company. Therefore referring to Howard Stringer (a Brit, by the way) who heads it as a foreigner is completely reasonable.
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That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly more space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.
While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.
Note that the 30% hit to battery life was when you completely ran on UMTS, a situation that would only ever happen in Japan or South Korea. Given advanced power management features such as turning the UMTS radio only when actively browsing data or making/receiving calls this would be 10-20% hit at worst.
The current rumour is that O2 is spending just short of 200 million pounds to upgrade their GPRS network to EDGE. Regardless of whether the rumour is true the number is about right in cost (Cingular spent 4 billion on their EDGE network).
For 200 million pounds you could get a custom made tri-band UMTS chip pretty darn small.
Given that Apple may launch the EDGE iPhone in Europe it would actually be cheaper for operators to give Apple say 500 million pounds (divided up by per capita of each operator partner's network) for a 3G iPhone model then it would be to install EDGE.
You posted dimensions and weigh for both devices but you don't have forgottern to make any relevant point?
Battery life would likely be shortened but I'm not convinced that a 3G iPhone would be much thicker than the current model. The BlackJack is not bigger.
That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly ore space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.
While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.
Anandtech goes into into some excellent detail about it.
(left) iPhons EDGE in purple & 802.11b/g in green; (right) Samsung Blackjack UMTS in red
That's two specific implementations and in particular it's the USA only version of 3G from Qualcomm. UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA as used elsewhere and by AT&T would require a different chipset to the Qualcomm chipset. Anand's conclusion made little sense.
There are already 3G phones much smaller and thinner than the iPhone on sale in Europe. For example the Sony Ericsson W880i...
That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly ore space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.
While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.
Europe has 3G - get over it. There seem to be plenty of 3G phones of reasonable size that work so I don't see your point. You make it seem impossible for Apple to make a 3G iPhone, but they will.
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The what?
Foreigner (non-Japanese)--the white guy.
Who's the greedy one here? Pot. Kettle. Black.
Foreigner (non-Japanese)--the white guy.
So, who's funny and who's the racist -- you, or vinney57?
As for the PS3, Sony does lose money on each sale, but in the process, it's building up Blu-Ray penetration which will help it in the long run with its Hollywood property (selling DVDs), and there is a halo effect with the premium-priced Sony Bravia TVs (on which to display the beautiful PS3 images). In Sony's strategy, if Blu-Ray can kill of HD-DVD thru this approach, and become the new DVD standard, it will have been worth it.
Stringer is probably about to go on the chopping block. Expect a Japanese replacement soon.
No he will have to fall on his own Walkman
Not for the price in my opinion. Spend that money on a iPhone or PS3... I'd put in on a iPhone. it fits in your pocket better!
I thought we were dealing with facts, not opinions here. I wouldn't want a PS3 for any price. Paying anything for it too much in my opinion as I'm not a gamer. The fact remains that Sony is losing money on each one. But they have a plan and it's a good one.
SHS accuses Steve Jobs of being Greedy - let's look at the facts
,,,
Don't forget ATRAC and Rootkit. I know there is a lot more too.
As for the PS3, Sony does lose money on each sale, but in the process, it's building up Blu-Ray penetration which will help it in the long run with its Hollywood property (selling DVDs), and there is a halo effect with the premium-priced Sony Bravia TVs (on which to display the beautiful PS3 images). In Sony's strategy, if Blu-Ray can kill of HD-DVD thru this approach, and become the new DVD standard, it will have been worth it.
That is my thoughts too, yet this is the first time I'm seen anyone share my sentiment. 2-3 decades of licensing an optical format will outshine a couple years of PS3 sales. (And yes people, there will be a need for physical media in the future. Bandwidth speeds are not there yet and won't be the majority of users for many moons)
Even though the PS3 will surely be sold for more than a few years, I estimate that by then the costs will come down enough for Sony to profit on each sale.
what, steve and apple greedy? is that like making good products? is that like sony used to have in the 80s?
Sony is the only computer manufacturer I know of with higher prices than apple.
Not to mention the only one with more proprietary hardware as well. (Memory stick, MiniDisk for example)
And why is it that Cd's and DVD's are so expensive when the disks are so cheap themselves.
At least with LP's you felt like you were getting something for your money.
Stringer is just mightily pissed that Sony wasn't invited on-stage at MWSF in January. He was counting on an invitation so he could get some of the "cool" that Steve has. Without it, he's seriously sliding towards the chopping block.
Heh, the last time a Sony CEO went onstage with Steve Jobs, he threw away any pretense of self-dignity and literally begged Steve to forget about doing hardware and focus on software. For the Japanese, a CEO doing this would be a major loss of face. Oh it was painful to watch. The guy was gone soon after that.
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Although he is the head of a multinational company with influence in virtually every aspect of home electronics and media, Sony head Sir Howard Stringer was reportedly undeterred from accusing Apple's leader Steve Jobs of only caring about his and Apple's wealth at a recent Allen & Co. media conference.
Sony is just bitter because they can't get anyone to buy their PS3 console. No one wants a game console with games that just aren't any fun to play. Nintendo is cleaning Sony's clock. Not to mention the #1 selling game console in the world... Nintendo DS.
As an Apple shareholder I am happy to let Steve Jobs fiercely trying to defends Apple's right to make money. It's called Capitalism. Out of the 10s of thousands of companies one can invest in why would you not invest your hard earned money into a company that had a Tiger (or should I say Leopard) at the helm.
If more companies were run by CEOs who were as demanding and creative as Jobs, I would look to invest in them. For now, I'm going with Steve. He's up 1000% in the last 5 years. Show me another track record of a CEO that comes close.
Try comparing a 5 year chart of Sony vs Apple. Then tell me the Sony CEO isn't being childish because he's not capable of producing similar results.
The true touche will be when Steve Jobs and Apple upgrade the AppleTV device to download online HD movie rentals. Thus obsoleting Sony's new Blue Ray Disc format. Why buy a $1000 player and spend $30 per movie when you can rent it on your AppleTV for $3. Think about it. What Hollywood movie made in the last 10 years is worth watching more than once or twice, let alone 10 times.
No one wants PS3, no one will want Blue Ray. I've bought movies on VHS. I've bought movies on DVD. And I am here to tell you I have bought my last movie. It's Apple TV rentals for me going forward. And don't get me started on those theives at Blockbuster. Watching them go down in flames is going to be even more fun.
the only reason we did not get it its becauses ATTs lack of 3G coverage
That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly ore space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.
While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.
Anandtech goes into into some excellent detail about it.
(left) iPhons EDGE in purple & 802.11b/g in green; (right) Samsung Blackjack UMTS in red
While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.
The iPhone's motherboard has a second layer and the BlackJack is not thicker than the iPhone.
Samsung BlackJack (GSM/EDGE/UMTS)
Dimensions: 4.4"L x 2.3"W x 0.5"D
Weight: 3.5 oz
iPhone (GSM/EDGE)
Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
Weight: 4.8 ounces
The iPhone's motherboard has a second layer and the BlackJack is not thicker than the iPhone.
Samsung BlackJack (GSM/EDGE/UMTS)
Dimensions: 4.4"L x 2.3"W x 0.5"D
Weight: 3.5 oz
iPhone (GSM/EDGE)
Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
Weight: 4.8 ounces
You posted dimensions and weigh for both devices but you don't have forgottern to make any relevant point? The pic I posted clearly shows the size differences in chipsets and the article clearly demonstrates the battery usage of UTMS. When Tardis Technology is perfected perhaps we'll be able to have chips that are actually larger than the space they occupy.
So, who's funny and who's the racist -- you, or vinney57?
Sony's a Japanese company. Therefore referring to Howard Stringer (a Brit, by the way) who heads it as a foreigner is completely reasonable.
That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly more space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.
While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.
Note that the 30% hit to battery life was when you completely ran on UMTS, a situation that would only ever happen in Japan or South Korea. Given advanced power management features such as turning the UMTS radio only when actively browsing data or making/receiving calls this would be 10-20% hit at worst.
The current rumour is that O2 is spending just short of 200 million pounds to upgrade their GPRS network to EDGE. Regardless of whether the rumour is true the number is about right in cost (Cingular spent 4 billion on their EDGE network).
For 200 million pounds you could get a custom made tri-band UMTS chip pretty darn small.
Given that Apple may launch the EDGE iPhone in Europe it would actually be cheaper for operators to give Apple say 500 million pounds (divided up by per capita of each operator partner's network) for a 3G iPhone model then it would be to install EDGE.
You posted dimensions and weigh for both devices but you don't have forgottern to make any relevant point?
Battery life would likely be shortened but I'm not convinced that a 3G iPhone would be much thicker than the current model. The BlackJack is not bigger.
That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly ore space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.
While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.
Anandtech goes into into some excellent detail about it.
(left) iPhons EDGE in purple & 802.11b/g in green; (right) Samsung Blackjack UMTS in red
That's two specific implementations and in particular it's the USA only version of 3G from Qualcomm. UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA as used elsewhere and by AT&T would require a different chipset to the Qualcomm chipset. Anand's conclusion made little sense.
There are already 3G phones much smaller and thinner than the iPhone on sale in Europe. For example the Sony Ericsson W880i...
http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?...e=pp&pid=10653
Dimensions... 103 x 46.5 x 9.4 mm (or 4 x 1.8 x 0.4 inches in old money)
Vodafone will of course be eager for 3G. They don't want to spend a fortune on building an EDGE network that is already obsolete.
That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly ore space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.
While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.
Europe has 3G - get over it. There seem to be plenty of 3G phones of reasonable size that work so I don't see your point. You make it seem impossible for Apple to make a 3G iPhone, but they will.