Please answer the following and i will believe you...
1 - Does the iPhone offer a secure interface into a corporate exchange server?
2 - Where can a company actualy buy 1000 iphones from?
3 - What Business tarrifs are AT&T offering for the iPhone?
4 - How can a roving salesman swap his battery over for a fully charged one when spending a few days on the road and realising his charger is back in the office?
5 - can the same roving salesman connect his iphone to his laptop for 3G wireless access?
6 - How does one activate the voice dialling features of the iphone for use while on the road?
7 - Can a company install their mobile CTI & presence client onto the iPhone like they can do with other mobile operating systems?
So i get 7 negatives from those questions, maybe i am wrong, can you point out where i am wrong and show me how the iPhone can be a business device?
Apple did what it does well change the way we use cell phones but alas they are not a cellphone company.... they are a computer company. They were bound to miss some stuff. But what they did change was the many things that made cellphones ...well cellphones. The iPhone is now a computer that can make calls, and quite well. Like the iPOD and its many upgrades we will see 3G versions for europe. 3G in the USA just sucks right now. I find edge to be just fine.
As far as buying 1000 iPhones I'm sure Apple could hook you up.
As far as voice dialing... well now that I dont have to fumble with a traditional cellphone keypad and I have my numbers programed in already I just touch it.... its like changing a station on your radio.
Like many things everyone has to get over the way we have all been trained (held back) by all the cell phones out there.... THINK DIFFERENT.
Like many things everyone has to get over the way we have all been trained (held back) by all the cell phones out there.... THINK DIFFERENT.
With the utmost respect that is complete and utter bollocks! The iPhone is a phone. Apple will not shift 10 MIllion portable computers by end of next year they are trying to ship 10 million phones. In order to sell 10 Million phone then the iPhone needs to be a decent phone. I think at the moment that the iPhone is just an average phone, nothing too special, yes cover flow, yes full internet, but those are just decorations A mobile phone is primarily used to make voicecalls and SMS, that is what people want from a phone and in that respect the iPhone does not do anything that countless models from Nokia, Sony, Siemens, LG, Panasonic and Motorola do not already do better and cheaper. You guys are so deluded on this subject it is incredible. There is nothing wrong with being an Apple fan and still being able to criticise some of their products, in fact you would gain more credibility for it.
$60 a month a dirt cheap for a data package on a phone, I was very impressed with the monthly service fee on this, it isn't much more than my current phone, which just gives me basic service.
Analysts need to remember also that when the first iPod came out it almost completely disappeared, Apple now sells more iPods in a 2 week period than the first iPod sold its first year.
And yes 240,000 iPhones in 30 hours is pretty dang impressive, especially when selling a device that requires service activation, people don't normally jump on that this way.
You're looking at it from the standpoint of comparing smartphone packages. But, Steve Jobs wants 1% of the cell phone market, not just 1% of the smartphone market. In that case he is expecting normal cell users like myself who pay $28-$35 for normal cell service to double that rate. I know it's not a bad data package (although you could say the network is slow), but in the whole scheme of things it's double the cost for me.
And why does apple sell more ipods now in 2 weeks than it did the first year? Because the one time fee for the ipod dropped significantly, while the storage went up significantly. If you think selling that amount of iPhones in the first weekend is an indicator of how the product overall will sell I think you are mistaken. To use your example, the first ipod didn't sell too good, but look at the lineup now.
With the utmost respect that is complete and utter bollocks! The iPhone is a phone. Apple will not shift 10 MIllion portable computers by end of next year they are trying to ship 10 million phones. In order to sell 10 Million phone then the iPhone needs to be a decent phone. I think at the moment that the iPhone is just an average phone, nothing too special, yes cover flow, yes full internet, but those are just decorations A mobile phone is primarily used to make voicecalls and SMS, that is what people want from a phone and in that respect the iPhone does not do anything that countless models from Nokia, Sony, Siemens, LG, Panasonic and Motorola do not already do better and cheaper. You guys are so deluded on this subject it is incredible. There is nothing wrong with being an Apple fan and still being able to criticise some of their products, in fact you would gain more credibility for it.
Believe what you want... but when you get your hands on one call me back. Yes there is nothing wrong about critisizing Apple but when you make up stuff to just make news thats just "utter Bullocks"
All your points are valid. Ok. Your heard. But to not take into account all the things that Apple has done is wrong and narrow minded. I'm sick of seeing the one sided 3G, MS Entourage arguments.
We need a hundred more articles like this. Seriously. We all know the content is bull, but most shareholders don't. At least, those who buy shares in bulk trust the nutty analysts. And so, if we can get more nutty analysts to bash the iPhone, it will drive down share prices temporarily so we can all buy twice the number of shares we could right now. And then 10 months from now when the iPhone beats all the projections, AAPL prices will skyrocket and we've all made a bundle at the expense of the analysts.
Most of Apple's products are a little expensive. But they're generally really good products. Apple show business growth all the time now, and people has learned to appreciate what Apple stands for. I'm rather buying a pricy iPhone than a stupid Symbian phone.
I noticed all the bashers never compare total cost: phone + contract. Over the two year contract comparable smart phones cost the same while delivering less. Initial price comparisons are lame when the service provider subsidizes the competitor's price while charging higher priced services to the customer.
Its so true people who cry high price tag as the reason they wont get an iPhone or how it will fair are so short sighted, and have really very little idea of what it actually will cost. It reminds me of people who lease cars they cant afford with $0 down. The bottom line even with free phones, is you will pay for it one way or another, and the pricing plan for the iPhone is better than any other smart phone plan out there. My bill only went up $9.00 a month with the iPhone and unlimited data. If I would have gotten any other smart phone it would have been more like $20-$30.
I am a huge Apple fan - But i don't have a iPhone because of the lack of choice in service provider and the price. But i don't feel the iPhone is a failure and I will consider getting one hopefully when there is a second phone company carrying an Apple phone and when they give us a better price.
Apparently references to 'iPhone analysis' is not enough to generate sufficient traffic for 'analysts' anymore, so throw in a few timely, misplaced remarks about Harry Potter and zippo to the top of search engine rankings! Success!
Please answer the following and i will believe you...
1 - Does the iPhone offer a secure interface into a corporate exchange server?
2 - Where can a company actualy buy 1000 iphones from?
3 - What Business tarrifs are AT&T offering for the iPhone?
4 - How can a roving salesman swap his battery over for a fully charged one when spending a few days on the road and realising his charger is back in the office?
5 - can the same roving salesman connect his iphone to his laptop for 3G wireless access?
6 - How does one activate the voice dialling features of the iphone for use while on the road?
7 - Can a company install their mobile CTI & presence client onto the iPhone like they can do with other mobile operating systems?
So i get 7 negatives from those questions, maybe i am wrong, can you point out where i am wrong and show me how the iPhone can be a business device?
1- It isn't up to the iPhone to offer the secure connection, it is up to the exchange server to do so....BTW it has been done, I'm doing it now.
2-Apple.com you'll just have to wait in line....BTW you are going to be hard pressed to buy 1000 Blackberry Pearls at once also, you will have to wait there too.
3-Not even sure what you are asking there. But as the iPhone is being sold as a consumer device currently, so I'll say none.
4-You can charge the thing with any dock connector either in your computer, in the wall or in the car. You'll spend less buying the cable than buying a battery, how do you charge anything when you realized you left your charger at home? Dock cables are $30, buy a few and stow them all over.
7-It is running Mac OS X, you can write it yourself. you see, that is the beauty of the iPhone is it is running Mac OS X, there are already people developing all sorts of stuff for it using nothing more than XCode.
Sure, some of these are hacks, but all that means is Apple doesn't officially support it, they didn't support running Windows on the new Intel Macs either, at first.
See, it doesn't have a radio! Nobody's going to use the things. And it only works with iTunes. And it's just because Apple forces you to buy all your music from iTunes! It's obvious that Apple lacks all the more advanced ideas of the Microsoft Zune or Creative's offerings, which have the common sense to work with the Microsoft standards.
I was at the Apple store at the mall the other day, and I'd like to know where the people are lining up three and four deep, waiting for a chance to feel the Zune and see how it works. What's that? Oh, nowhere.
On the other hand, I wish I had tried out my Razr before I traded off my nice Sony Ericcson last year. Yuck. I've got another year to wait for the contract to expire on that piece of crap.
I am a huge Apple fan - But i don't have a iPhone because of the lack of choice in service provider and the price. But i don't feel the iPhone is a failure and I will consider getting one hopefully when there is a second phone company carrying an Apple phone and when they give us a better price.
I'm not sure, but I think any phone in the U.S. market comes with a deal with the network. Is there a phone that just works with every network? Even when you buy an unlocked phone, when you sign on to the network, it becomes locked on to that net.
The way to free up the iPhone lies through Washington, D.C.
I was at the Apple store at the mall the other day, and I'd like to know where the people are lining up three and four deep, waiting for a chance to feel the Zune and see how it works. What's that? Oh, nowhere.
I have never seen someone with a Zune in the 'wild'. I've seen them at my local WalMart but never seen anyone try one out or buy one.
That said, I'm pretty impressed w/ my iPhone, but there are some serious issues that Apple/ AT&T should resolve ASAP. AT&T service definitely sucks in Ann Arbor - I know , not a real metro area, but I switched from Sprint, and I almost never lost a call with them. And the lack of voice dialing is a hurt. The kids I work w/ really care about the (lack of) ringtones...
You are not seeing the big picture. This is the first release that is designed to capture the die hards who will sit in line over night. The next release will be for the general market. It will have a few less features and be more of a phone/ipod and less of a smart phone.
Perhaps it's you who is not seeing the big picture here. Apple Exec's and other investors were not targeting die hards here, since they agreed to a contract with AT&T was not the market genre, it's clearly about numbers. You can improve your first impression with a product with more planning.
When Leopard was delayed til October, I was devistated, but days later, it makes sense... why release a product pre-mature? better to wait, and have a better first impression. I think the iPhone would've done better in an October release, for the following reasons.
1) it's coming out the same time leopard does
2) It's just before the big holiday shopping season
3) They would've had a lot more features in the phone.
So, I don't buy the target market die hards, I really don't. This was rushed too quickly... I'm glad they didn't make this mistake with Leopard.
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Please answer the following and i will believe you...
1 - Does the iPhone offer a secure interface into a corporate exchange server?
2 - Where can a company actualy buy 1000 iphones from?
3 - What Business tarrifs are AT&T offering for the iPhone?
4 - How can a roving salesman swap his battery over for a fully charged one when spending a few days on the road and realising his charger is back in the office?
5 - can the same roving salesman connect his iphone to his laptop for 3G wireless access?
6 - How does one activate the voice dialling features of the iphone for use while on the road?
7 - Can a company install their mobile CTI & presence client onto the iPhone like they can do with other mobile operating systems?
So i get 7 negatives from those questions, maybe i am wrong, can you point out where i am wrong and show me how the iPhone can be a business device?
Apple did what it does well change the way we use cell phones but alas they are not a cellphone company.... they are a computer company. They were bound to miss some stuff. But what they did change was the many things that made cellphones ...well cellphones. The iPhone is now a computer that can make calls, and quite well. Like the iPOD and its many upgrades we will see 3G versions for europe. 3G in the USA just sucks right now. I find edge to be just fine.
As far as buying 1000 iPhones I'm sure Apple could hook you up.
As far as voice dialing... well now that I dont have to fumble with a traditional cellphone keypad and I have my numbers programed in already I just touch it.... its like changing a station on your radio.
Like many things everyone has to get over the way we have all been trained (held back) by all the cell phones out there.... THINK DIFFERENT.
Like many things everyone has to get over the way we have all been trained (held back) by all the cell phones out there.... THINK DIFFERENT.
With the utmost respect that is complete and utter bollocks! The iPhone is a phone. Apple will not shift 10 MIllion portable computers by end of next year they are trying to ship 10 million phones. In order to sell 10 Million phone then the iPhone needs to be a decent phone. I think at the moment that the iPhone is just an average phone, nothing too special, yes cover flow, yes full internet, but those are just decorations A mobile phone is primarily used to make voicecalls and SMS, that is what people want from a phone and in that respect the iPhone does not do anything that countless models from Nokia, Sony, Siemens, LG, Panasonic and Motorola do not already do better and cheaper. You guys are so deluded on this subject it is incredible. There is nothing wrong with being an Apple fan and still being able to criticise some of their products, in fact you would gain more credibility for it.
$60 a month a dirt cheap for a data package on a phone, I was very impressed with the monthly service fee on this, it isn't much more than my current phone, which just gives me basic service.
Analysts need to remember also that when the first iPod came out it almost completely disappeared, Apple now sells more iPods in a 2 week period than the first iPod sold its first year.
And yes 240,000 iPhones in 30 hours is pretty dang impressive, especially when selling a device that requires service activation, people don't normally jump on that this way.
You're looking at it from the standpoint of comparing smartphone packages. But, Steve Jobs wants 1% of the cell phone market, not just 1% of the smartphone market. In that case he is expecting normal cell users like myself who pay $28-$35 for normal cell service to double that rate. I know it's not a bad data package (although you could say the network is slow), but in the whole scheme of things it's double the cost for me.
And why does apple sell more ipods now in 2 weeks than it did the first year? Because the one time fee for the ipod dropped significantly, while the storage went up significantly. If you think selling that amount of iPhones in the first weekend is an indicator of how the product overall will sell I think you are mistaken. To use your example, the first ipod didn't sell too good, but look at the lineup now.
With the utmost respect that is complete and utter bollocks! The iPhone is a phone. Apple will not shift 10 MIllion portable computers by end of next year they are trying to ship 10 million phones. In order to sell 10 Million phone then the iPhone needs to be a decent phone. I think at the moment that the iPhone is just an average phone, nothing too special, yes cover flow, yes full internet, but those are just decorations A mobile phone is primarily used to make voicecalls and SMS, that is what people want from a phone and in that respect the iPhone does not do anything that countless models from Nokia, Sony, Siemens, LG, Panasonic and Motorola do not already do better and cheaper. You guys are so deluded on this subject it is incredible. There is nothing wrong with being an Apple fan and still being able to criticise some of their products, in fact you would gain more credibility for it.
Believe what you want... but when you get your hands on one call me back. Yes there is nothing wrong about critisizing Apple but when you make up stuff to just make news thats just "utter Bullocks"
All your points are valid. Ok. Your heard. But to not take into account all the things that Apple has done is wrong and narrow minded. I'm sick of seeing the one sided 3G, MS Entourage arguments.
Keep it up!
I noticed all the bashers never compare total cost: phone + contract. Over the two year contract comparable smart phones cost the same while delivering less. Initial price comparisons are lame when the service provider subsidizes the competitor's price while charging higher priced services to the customer.
Its so true people who cry high price tag as the reason they wont get an iPhone or how it will fair are so short sighted, and have really very little idea of what it actually will cost. It reminds me of people who lease cars they cant afford with $0 down. The bottom line even with free phones, is you will pay for it one way or another, and the pricing plan for the iPhone is better than any other smart phone plan out there. My bill only went up $9.00 a month with the iPhone and unlimited data. If I would have gotten any other smart phone it would have been more like $20-$30.
Better lock the iPhone under the stairs before the neighbors start asking questions!
Apparently references to 'iPhone analysis' is not enough to generate sufficient traffic for 'analysts' anymore, so throw in a few timely, misplaced remarks about Harry Potter and zippo to the top of search engine rankings! Success!
Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner!
Please answer the following and i will believe you...
1 - Does the iPhone offer a secure interface into a corporate exchange server?
2 - Where can a company actualy buy 1000 iphones from?
3 - What Business tarrifs are AT&T offering for the iPhone?
4 - How can a roving salesman swap his battery over for a fully charged one when spending a few days on the road and realising his charger is back in the office?
5 - can the same roving salesman connect his iphone to his laptop for 3G wireless access?
6 - How does one activate the voice dialling features of the iphone for use while on the road?
7 - Can a company install their mobile CTI & presence client onto the iPhone like they can do with other mobile operating systems?
So i get 7 negatives from those questions, maybe i am wrong, can you point out where i am wrong and show me how the iPhone can be a business device?
1- It isn't up to the iPhone to offer the secure connection, it is up to the exchange server to do so....BTW it has been done, I'm doing it now.
2-Apple.com you'll just have to wait in line....BTW you are going to be hard pressed to buy 1000 Blackberry Pearls at once also, you will have to wait there too.
3-Not even sure what you are asking there. But as the iPhone is being sold as a consumer device currently, so I'll say none.
4-You can charge the thing with any dock connector either in your computer, in the wall or in the car. You'll spend less buying the cable than buying a battery, how do you charge anything when you realized you left your charger at home? Dock cables are $30, buy a few and stow them all over.
5-Can't think of why you'd want to, but http://www.iphonehacks.com/2007/07/iphone-edge-net.html
6-"The iPhone Bluetooth Headset features a single button that lets you make and receive phone calls simply and intuitively." http://www.switched.com/2007/07/20/v...ng-for-iphone/
(is this exclusive to business people only)
7-It is running Mac OS X, you can write it yourself. you see, that is the beauty of the iPhone is it is running Mac OS X, there are already people developing all sorts of stuff for it using nothing more than XCode.
Sure, some of these are hacks, but all that means is Apple doesn't officially support it, they didn't support running Windows on the new Intel Macs either, at first.
I was at the Apple store at the mall the other day, and I'd like to know where the people are lining up three and four deep, waiting for a chance to feel the Zune and see how it works. What's that? Oh, nowhere.
On the other hand, I wish I had tried out my Razr before I traded off my nice Sony Ericcson last year. Yuck. I've got another year to wait for the contract to expire on that piece of crap.
I am a huge Apple fan - But i don't have a iPhone because of the lack of choice in service provider and the price. But i don't feel the iPhone is a failure and I will consider getting one hopefully when there is a second phone company carrying an Apple phone and when they give us a better price.
I'm not sure, but I think any phone in the U.S. market comes with a deal with the network. Is there a phone that just works with every network? Even when you buy an unlocked phone, when you sign on to the network, it becomes locked on to that net.
The way to free up the iPhone lies through Washington, D.C.
I was at the Apple store at the mall the other day, and I'd like to know where the people are lining up three and four deep, waiting for a chance to feel the Zune and see how it works. What's that? Oh, nowhere.
I have never seen someone with a Zune in the 'wild'. I've seen them at my local WalMart but never seen anyone try one out or buy one.
1. AT&T Network. If its so bad, then why do they have the most subscribers (approx 67 million)?
Corporate mergers. If you can't with them over fair and square, buy them out. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
You are not seeing the big picture. This is the first release that is designed to capture the die hards who will sit in line over night. The next release will be for the general market. It will have a few less features and be more of a phone/ipod and less of a smart phone.
Perhaps it's you who is not seeing the big picture here. Apple Exec's and other investors were not targeting die hards here, since they agreed to a contract with AT&T was not the market genre, it's clearly about numbers. You can improve your first impression with a product with more planning.
When Leopard was delayed til October, I was devistated, but days later, it makes sense... why release a product pre-mature? better to wait, and have a better first impression. I think the iPhone would've done better in an October release, for the following reasons.
1) it's coming out the same time leopard does
2) It's just before the big holiday shopping season
3) They would've had a lot more features in the phone.
So, I don't buy the target market die hards, I really don't. This was rushed too quickly... I'm glad they didn't make this mistake with Leopard.
Well well.
A Harry Potter fan who is also an analyst.
They have to do something with all that free time between rumors I suppose.