Sorry there off my phone (SE K800i) and yes i chew my finger while waiting for my PC at work to ...work.
How heavy is the keyboard? That matters more to me than size. If you can weight it, that would be great because I can't find the weight on Apple's site.
How heavy is the keyboard? That matters more to me than size. If you can weight it, that would be great because I can't find the weight on Apple's site.
It's pretty light. Seemed to me to be lighter than the previous KBs
I hope Melgross is reading this thread. Because he used to be a professional in the field, and he seems to think that glossy = better colour accuracy. I defer to his hands-on knowledge.
The point I was making was that if you really care about colour accuracy and the like you have to control your lighting environment, no matter what type of display you have.
For casual use, the odd reflection here or there is not that much of an issue.
Having said all that, it would have been nice if Apple had offered the option of a matte display. But that might be difficult with the glass frontage.
A 'matte' display isn't really matte. It's got an anti-glare coating on it in the same way you can get spectacles with anti-glare coating. Each coating on a surface however reduces the amount of light that can go through so what you want for accurate colour is not really matte or glossy. What you want is no coatings.
I'd be surprised if you'll get accurate colour on the new iMac because you've got an LCD panel with a glass panel in front. Just think of it as another coating. The glass is going to reduce the brightness as well as create the problems with reflections in the blacks if you're not sat in a dark room with no windows or lights.
The 20" model uses an LG Phillips LM201WE3 TN panel, which is 6bit so you don't get an accurate 16.7 million colours anyway. From what I can find online, it actually has an anti-glare coating already, just remove the glass from the new iMac. \
It is a beautyful keyboard; I don't care about price, ergonomy or other stuff. It has an ipod look and feel - yes you can buy more poverful beige box for the money but you wouldn't put it in your living room for shure...
How heavy is the keyboard? That matters more to me than size. If you can weight it, that would be great because I can't find the weight on Apple's site.
I have no scales but have just found something roughly the same weight....a can of heinz bake beans, its lighter than the old keyboard by half at a rough guess.
did anyone else notice that there is only one expose button?
Yup its set to "all windows" but strangely upon checking all of the keyboard shortcuts which you can set under system preferences either in expose or keyboard settings are still showing on their old F9, F10 etc settings despite them not working on that location.
I have no scales but have just found something roughly the same weight....a can of heinz bake beans, its lighter than the old keyboard by half at a rough guess.
Ok thanks, that means it should be around 500 grams, which is the same weight as my current slim PC keyboard. The old Apple keyboard was indeed 1kg so it is about half the weight.
I simply don't trust the literature, even that in the scientific journals, because it has changed so much over the years.
Do we really know what is best?
Most people using the ergonomic keyboards abandon them because they don't like them. Why? Is it because they simply find the keyboards they grew up with to be more "comfortable", both physically, and mentally, simply because they are used to them?
Both "most people" and "ergonomic keyboards" are ambiguous.
I think the only people who need to be considered in conjunction with ergo keyboards are touch typers. A hunt-and-peck dude doesn't really benefit from them, for him it's best that everything is where he is used to finding it.
Individual physiology matters.
Individual use pattern matters. If two people had the same physiology, but one is a writer and another is a programmer, the writer is going to have much more emphasis on basic typing comfort and doesn't care if a particular keyboard puts special keys (like []{}) out of reach. The programmer might be willing to sacrifice a little comfort to have those keys closer.
Conditions matter. Your table and chair setup changes the optimal keyboard angles.
None of that means that there aren't fundamental similarities in physiology that, reflected on a touchtyping keyboard, make it better. Distribution of work to fingers according to their strength and mobility. Nonzero angle of hands (no one types with their hands completely parallel). Home row aligned with your center. Mouse/pointing device placed so you don't tense your neck and shoulder when reaching for it. Accurate feedback (you know with certainty when you have pressed a key). Light keypress that does not strain the fingers excessively. Et cetera.
When "most people" try an "ergonomic keyboard", what they're trying is to hunt and peck on a slightly angled Microsoft unit with layout slightly worsened from a normal 102-key, mushy membrane keys and another keyboard's worth of plastic around the actual keyboard to accommodate all the Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player shortcut keys. No wonder they go back. Something like Kinesis Advantage or Datahand which actually take ergonomics seriously are a whole different ballgame.
i passed by my local apple store after it had closed today, but still managed to get a look at the new imacs. in the flesh they really do look so much better than the old design. compared to the representations of them on the apple website, they are stunning - even better than the photos that i had seen. design wise, although they are not the 'floating invisible display' we were all sure was coming, i think it's an improvement. i really like it. now looking forward to running FCS2 on one...
i passed by my local apple store after it had closed today, but still managed to get a look at the new imacs. in the flesh they really do look so much better than the old design. compared to the representations of them on the apple website, they are stunning - even better than the photos that i had seen. design wise, although they are not the 'floating invisible display' we were all sure was coming, i think it's an improvement. i really like it. now looking forward to running FCS2 on one...
With that se-up indy directors everywhere must be rejoicing.
although they are not the 'floating invisible display' we were all sure was coming,
Who again? I know that some people wanted that, I don't remember a whole lot of people expecting it. I need to see one on person to get a better feel of the proportions and size, but this new way looks to be better, and it doesn't look to be any thicker than many monitors.
In this light, Jonathan Ive's latest offering feels like something of an event made for the sideline. In fact, the new iMac may be a minor misstep — or simply an interesting sidestep during a very busy time. The proof will come from users who have worked and played with the machine over a decent span. And for those who initially discount it, this "modified" look may grow on them. Some are even calling it "fetching." In terms of its specs, it seems like a creditable upgrade.
I just love to eat crow. Last week at work we received an iMac 2.8 Core 2 Extreme machine. I have to say that it may be the most beautiful piece of computer engineering that I have ever seen. Beyond fetching. This is no misstep or sidestep. It's a lovely step forward. I know that gamers want a faster GPU and many graphic designers would like a matte screen option. Fair enough. But work for a week on this beauty and you will be sold on its resonance.
I just love to eat crow. Last week at work we received an iMac 2.8 Core 2 Extreme machine. I have to say that it may be the most beautiful piece of computer engineering that I have ever seen. Beyond fetching. This is no misstep or sidestep. It's a lovely step forward. I know that gamers want a faster GPU and many graphic designers would like a matte screen option. Fair enough. But work for a week on this beauty and you will be sold on its resonance.
I just love to eat crow. Last week at work we received an iMac 2.8 Core 2 Extreme machine. I have to say that it may be the most beautiful piece of computer engineering that I have ever seen. Beyond fetching. This is no misstep or sidestep. It's a lovely step forward. I know that gamers want a faster GPU and many graphic designers would like a matte screen option. Fair enough. But work for a week on this beauty and you will be sold on its resonance.
Apparently the glass can be taken off, making the screen matte again.
I happened to be passing the Apple Store today and my noble steed, Acura, found its way into the courtyard. Dismounting, I stumbled to its massive doors and went in to pay homage to the great MacGod and his prophet, Jobs.
I sought out the iMac again as it seem that will be my next shrine unless the gods intervene.
Mumbling something under my breath, I gazed upon the deus ex machina, its glow blinding and humbling me.
But wait, it drew me to its warmth. I laid hands upon its altar, on those divine arcane symbols, the runes of strange letters and numbers - qwerty? I know not this strange word, but my fingers, almost with a mind of their own, played upon those minute tablets.
The face moved and shifted, changed shapes and colors, and it was good. No longer did the bright glow blind me. I was accepted into its folds and was embraced. I could see beyond the aura - into the words and pictures that abide there. Then I knew that that much despised brightness would no longer cause me to shrink back in horror. No longer need I cringe in abject terror. I was, at last, at peace with the gods.
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Sorry there off my phone (SE K800i) and yes i chew my finger while waiting for my PC
How heavy is the keyboard? That matters more to me than size. If you can weight it, that would be great because I can't find the weight on Apple's site.
How heavy is the keyboard? That matters more to me than size. If you can weight it, that would be great because I can't find the weight on Apple's site.
It's pretty light. Seemed to me to be lighter than the previous KBs
I hope Melgross is reading this thread. Because he used to be a professional in the field, and he seems to think that glossy = better colour accuracy. I defer to his hands-on knowledge.
The point I was making was that if you really care about colour accuracy and the like you have to control your lighting environment, no matter what type of display you have.
For casual use, the odd reflection here or there is not that much of an issue.
Having said all that, it would have been nice if Apple had offered the option of a matte display. But that might be difficult with the glass frontage.
A 'matte' display isn't really matte. It's got an anti-glare coating on it in the same way you can get spectacles with anti-glare coating. Each coating on a surface however reduces the amount of light that can go through so what you want for accurate colour is not really matte or glossy. What you want is no coatings.
I'd be surprised if you'll get accurate colour on the new iMac because you've got an LCD panel with a glass panel in front. Just think of it as another coating. The glass is going to reduce the brightness as well as create the problems with reflections in the blacks if you're not sat in a dark room with no windows or lights.
The 20" model uses an LG Phillips LM201WE3 TN panel, which is 6bit so you don't get an accurate 16.7 million colours anyway. From what I can find online, it actually has an anti-glare coating already, just remove the glass from the new iMac.
Photos were fine here.
I can't believe the wireless keyboard doesn't have a number pad!! That is a deal killer for me.
Also, it's not very Leopard friendly. No icon for Spaces? Maybe a refresh in Oct.?
did anyone else notice that there is only one expose button?
How heavy is the keyboard? That matters more to me than size. If you can weight it, that would be great because I can't find the weight on Apple's site.
I have no scales but have just found something roughly the same weight....a can of heinz bake beans, its lighter than the old keyboard by half at a rough guess.
did anyone else notice that there is only one expose button?
Yup its set to "all windows" but strangely upon checking all of the keyboard shortcuts which you can set under system preferences either in expose or keyboard settings are still showing on their old F9, F10 etc settings despite them not working on that location.
I have no scales but have just found something roughly the same weight....a can of heinz bake beans, its lighter than the old keyboard by half at a rough guess.
Ok thanks, that means it should be around 500 grams, which is the same weight as my current slim PC keyboard. The old Apple keyboard was indeed 1kg so it is about half the weight.
I simply don't trust the literature, even that in the scientific journals, because it has changed so much over the years.
Do we really know what is best?
Most people using the ergonomic keyboards abandon them because they don't like them. Why? Is it because they simply find the keyboards they grew up with to be more "comfortable", both physically, and mentally, simply because they are used to them?
Both "most people" and "ergonomic keyboards" are ambiguous.
I think the only people who need to be considered in conjunction with ergo keyboards are touch typers. A hunt-and-peck dude doesn't really benefit from them, for him it's best that everything is where he is used to finding it.
Individual physiology matters.
Individual use pattern matters. If two people had the same physiology, but one is a writer and another is a programmer, the writer is going to have much more emphasis on basic typing comfort and doesn't care if a particular keyboard puts special keys (like []{}) out of reach. The programmer might be willing to sacrifice a little comfort to have those keys closer.
Conditions matter. Your table and chair setup changes the optimal keyboard angles.
None of that means that there aren't fundamental similarities in physiology that, reflected on a touchtyping keyboard, make it better. Distribution of work to fingers according to their strength and mobility. Nonzero angle of hands (no one types with their hands completely parallel). Home row aligned with your center. Mouse/pointing device placed so you don't tense your neck and shoulder when reaching for it. Accurate feedback (you know with certainty when you have pressed a key). Light keypress that does not strain the fingers excessively. Et cetera.
When "most people" try an "ergonomic keyboard", what they're trying is to hunt and peck on a slightly angled Microsoft unit with layout slightly worsened from a normal 102-key, mushy membrane keys and another keyboard's worth of plastic around the actual keyboard to accommodate all the Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player shortcut keys. No wonder they go back. Something like Kinesis Advantage or Datahand which actually take ergonomics seriously are a whole different ballgame.
i passed by my local apple store after it had closed today, but still managed to get a look at the new imacs. in the flesh they really do look so much better than the old design. compared to the representations of them on the apple website, they are stunning - even better than the photos that i had seen. design wise, although they are not the 'floating invisible display' we were all sure was coming, i think it's an improvement. i really like it. now looking forward to running FCS2 on one...
With that se-up indy directors everywhere must be rejoicing.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xJvSnRm0uQM
That keyboard looks very nice indeed.
although they are not the 'floating invisible display' we were all sure was coming,
Who again? I know that some people wanted that, I don't remember a whole lot of people expecting it. I need to see one on person to get a better feel of the proportions and size, but this new way looks to be better, and it doesn't look to be any thicker than many monitors.
I'm going to order it to replace my existing keyboard.
In this light, Jonathan Ive's latest offering feels like something of an event made for the sideline. In fact, the new iMac may be a minor misstep — or simply an interesting sidestep during a very busy time. The proof will come from users who have worked and played with the machine over a decent span. And for those who initially discount it, this "modified" look may grow on them. Some are even calling it "fetching." In terms of its specs, it seems like a creditable upgrade.
I just love to eat crow. Last week at work we received an iMac 2.8 Core 2 Extreme machine. I have to say that it may be the most beautiful piece of computer engineering that I have ever seen. Beyond fetching. This is no misstep or sidestep. It's a lovely step forward. I know that gamers want a faster GPU and many graphic designers would like a matte screen option. Fair enough. But work for a week on this beauty and you will be sold on its resonance.
I just love to eat crow. Last week at work we received an iMac 2.8 Core 2 Extreme machine. I have to say that it may be the most beautiful piece of computer engineering that I have ever seen. Beyond fetching. This is no misstep or sidestep. It's a lovely step forward. I know that gamers want a faster GPU and many graphic designers would like a matte screen option. Fair enough. But work for a week on this beauty and you will be sold on its resonance.
And I thought the 2.4 ghz iMacs were teh snappy.
I just love to eat crow. Last week at work we received an iMac 2.8 Core 2 Extreme machine. I have to say that it may be the most beautiful piece of computer engineering that I have ever seen. Beyond fetching. This is no misstep or sidestep. It's a lovely step forward. I know that gamers want a faster GPU and many graphic designers would like a matte screen option. Fair enough. But work for a week on this beauty and you will be sold on its resonance.
Apparently the glass can be taken off, making the screen matte again.
I sought out the iMac again as it seem that will be my next shrine unless the gods intervene.
Mumbling something under my breath, I gazed upon the deus ex machina, its glow blinding and humbling me.
But wait, it drew me to its warmth. I laid hands upon its altar, on those divine arcane symbols, the runes of strange letters and numbers - qwerty? I know not this strange word, but my fingers, almost with a mind of their own, played upon those minute tablets.
The face moved and shifted, changed shapes and colors, and it was good. No longer did the bright glow blind me. I was accepted into its folds and was embraced. I could see beyond the aura - into the words and pictures that abide there. Then I knew that that much despised brightness would no longer cause me to shrink back in horror. No longer need I cringe in abject terror. I was, at last, at peace with the gods.
and my noble steed, Acura,
I've a donkey named Jeep.