[1]Why doesn't Apple just flood Europe and Great Britain with unlocked iPhones?
[2]Why does Europe even want iPhones if the cellphones they already have are much better overall and cost way less?
[3]Are most cellphones sold in Europe unlocked?
[4]Makes no sense at all.
[5]Why does Apple need kickback from carriers?
[6]They should just sell iPhones like iPods.
[7]How can people that do research be so far off target.
[1] Because they want money from the carriers too.
[2] "better" is subjective and cost is based on needs and wants. Apple is hoping the desire for the iconic device coupled with good user experience will sell their device.
[3] I can't answer that, but can say that most can be unlocked easily. A better question is whether most cellphones are sold under contract.
[4] Seems to make perfect sense to Apple. If we don't like what they're selling then we don't need to buy.
[5] Monthly subscriptions dues is where the real money is at. In order to get this Apple has to offer the customer and carrier something in return. The carrier gets exclusive rights and therefore new customers and the customer gets frequently updated devices and services that are long overdue that expand the user experience.
[6] They do. Walk in to an Apple Store and you buy an iPhone just like any other item. What they don't let you do is use it like an iPod. But it's a phone so how could they?
[7] Because it's all speculative. Imagine a 3-dimensional math problem where the question had so many variables that depending on your point of view that you couldn't really look at every aspect of the model so you have to estimate and guess. Or someone with money is writing them paychecks to say certain things about Apple to scare investors.
Why doesn't Apple just flood Europe and Great Britain with unlocked iPhones? Why does Europe even want iPhones if the cellphones they already have are much better overall and cost way less?
Excuse me do you actually know what you are talking about.
I admit that I don't that much. But from the sound and like you write you sound non European.
I live in Germany. And as far as I can see we don't have that much better cell phones over here.
It used to be true a couple of years ago, but now I believe the same cell phones are available everywhere.
Could you tell me a single cell phone that is available over here, that is better thanthe iPhone and NOT available in the US?
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Originally Posted by Buck
If they continue like that it'll take them 10 years to have all of Europe covered and then there's Asia.
How many countries do you think there are in Europe?
You know the EU only has 25 members, and with the German roll out, they also rolled out n the NEtherlands and Austria.
Its seems to me that the German deal might be the best deal yet though.
Without VAT the iPhone cost in Germany 481$ US.
but the contract only seems to require a 2 year contract with T-Mobile.
It does not state specific contracts this far.
So for me as a student that means I should be able to get a 7 EUR contract with 50 inclusive minutes to any network.
And thats pritty much all I need.
I just need to turn off Edge and I am fine :-)
Also something interesting might be if this iPhone might be unlocked, probaly not, but T-Mobile usually seels all their phones unlocked.
Well I hope more speicifcs will show up on the German T-Mobile website soon.
t-mobile.de
So far it doesn't state anythign at all about contractt. The German macworld wrote somethign about that T-Mobile users could use the t-hotspots but it doesn't say if that would be free.
Excuse me do you actually know what you are talking about.
I admit that I don't that much. But from the sound and like you write you sound non European.
I live in Germany. And as far as I can see we don't have that much better cell phones over here.
It used to be true a couple of years ago, but now I believe the same cell phones are available everywhere.
Could you tell me a single cell phone that is available over here, that is better thanthe iPhone and NOT available in the US?
At this point Europe's main advantage exists in the much superior UMTS (aka 3G) coverage.
However because most mobile phones use 2100MHz UMTS (not usable in North America), and, as with Sony Ericsson, often use tri-band instead of quad band GSM chips this means they require a specific North American model. Usually a delay of either forever, or a few months.
Japan/South Korea, on the other hand, continue to be well ahead of everybody in mobile hardware & software technology (though their software user interface is as garbage, or worse, as everybody else's?excepting Apple, of course).
At this point Europe's main advantage exists in the much superior UMTS (aka 3G) coverage.
Really? Then: (i) How come less than 10% of phone customers in Europe have 3G contracts? Too expensive? Not what it's cracked up to be? "Nice to have" but not "must have?" Doesn't travel well? (ii) To everyone talking up 3G as though it is the holy grail: What exactly do you use it for? If your answer is "primary internet device" (and if not, I have no idea why you might want 3G) would you please tell me: (iii) what is your monthly bill?
Unless you can provide some answers, please stop regaling us with hypothetical stories about how "superior" 3G is.
Japan/South Korea, on the other hand, continue to be well ahead of everybody in mobile hardware & software technology (though their software user interface is as garbage, or worse, as everybody else's?excepting Apple, of course).
Plus I'm a loyal US T-Mobile customer and the thought of switching to att for 2 years bothers the hell out of me.
Same here. WTF is going on with Apple? The lock on to crapfest at&t in the US, then get cozy with T-mo in Germany? As Herr Spock would say, "highly illogical".
As we are the country in the middle of UK an Germany I would've thought we would be next, however, I believe we have to wait for a year. Our country doesn't seem to have no EDGE network at all. The last EDGE network was from Telfort (formally known as O2) and was brought down in June 2007 in favour of UMTS (3G).
Same here. WTF is going on with Apple? The lock on to crapfest at&t in the US, then get cozy with T-mo in Germany? As Herr Spock would say, "highly illogical".
I certainly can't confirm this, but most companies that span multiple countries are managed by completely separate groups. Perhaps T-Mobile in the US wasn't interested with the iPhone deal at the time or perhaps after they've witnessed the results with AT&T in the US now want in. Or perhaps Apple just went with the highest bidder. There are too many factors to determine here.
I would have preferred T-Mobile, myself, and would enjoyed having free unlimited HotSpot access with my iPhone. I'm speculating that Apple would have made this happen for iPhone customers in the US. One can dream.
I certainly can't confirm this, but most companies that span multiple countries are managed by completely separate groups. Perhaps T-Mobile in the US wasn't interested with the iPhone deal at the time or perhaps after they've witnessed the results with AT&T in the US now want in. Or perhaps Apple just went with the highest bidder. There are too many factors to determine here.
I would have preferred T-Mobile, myself, and would enjoyed having free unlimited HotSpot access with my iPhone. I'm speculating that Apple would have made this happen for iPhone customers in the US. One can dream.
Isn't ATT in the U.S: a better carrier than T-Mobile.
Isn't ATT coverage much broader?
The choice for T-Mobile in Germany is quite obvious, T-Mobile has the widest andbest coverage in Germany, and have the most distribution points.
The only one who might be able to keep up are Vodafone, but I believe between those 2 Apple chose T-Mobile since T-Mobile probably offered, some better deal.
Also Vodafone likes to do a lot of branding so the iPhone is not really for them.
I believe also at the moment T-Mobile has slightly more subsribers than Vodfone, they offer the Wifi Hotspots and they are required by law to give the widest and best coverage all over Germany.
or the consumers T-mobile is definitely the best choice.
The only downside of T-Mobile compared to other providers is the fact that they don't offer any kind of flatrates yet, I guess that will come with the iPhone.
Really? Then: (i) How come less than 10% of phone customers in Europe have 3G contracts? Too expensive? Not what it's cracked up to be? "Nice to have" but not "must have?" Doesn't travel well? (ii) To everyone talking up 3G as though it is the holy grail: What exactly do you use it for? If your answer is "primary internet device" (and if not, I have no idea why you might want 3G) would you please tell me: (iii) what is your monthly bill?
Unless you can provide some answers, please stop regaling us with hypothetical stories about how "superior" 3G is.
There's no such thing as a 3G contract. There's handsets capable of using 3G services but it's the same price contract if you had a 2G phone.
Of course, people with just a need to text, phone and send each other MMS photos don't need 3G.
Smartphone users on the other hand with web access and email would benefit highly from 3G as the alternative is bog standard GPRS in most of Europe.
There's no such thing as a 3G contract. There's handsets capable of using 3G services but it's the same price contract if you had a 2G phone.
Of course, people with just a need to text, phone and send each other MMS photos don't need 3G.
Smartphone users on the other hand with web access and email would benefit highly from 3G as the alternative is bog standard GPRS in most of Europe.
OK.... rephrase that as "3G users" or "3G phones sold" of whatever is appropriate. According to this source (and I've seen a couple of others that show worse numbers), as of early 2006, less than 8% of the users "subscribe to 3G services" in the UK and only about 3% in Germany (Side note: what are they subscribing to if they are not on a contract? But I'll take your word for that).
I am sure that it is a little better a year later, but I would love to get an answer to the larger point: Why is the uptake for 3G so low/slow? Doesn't sound to me like this technology is flying off the shelves.... yet.
I guess, in a larger sense, I am wondering how much of this 3G stuff is hype and how widespread the usage really is relative to the mobile communication needs of most normal consumers.
Japan/South Korea, on the other hand, continue to be well ahead of everybody in mobile hardware & software technology (though their software user interface is as garbage, or worse, as everybody else's?excepting Apple, of course).
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
The existence of advanced hardware/software features does not equal ease of use.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Really? Then: (i) How come less than 10% of phone customers in Europe have 3G contracts? Too expensive? Not what it's cracked up to be? "Nice to have" but not "must have?" Doesn't travel well? (ii) To everyone talking up 3G as though it is the holy grail: What exactly do you use it for? If your answer is "primary internet device" (and if not, I have no idea why you might want 3G) would you please tell me: (iii) what is your monthly bill?
The 10% of people who have 3G (45 million of 478.4 million mobile subscribers in Europe as of April 2007) represent the top end of the market?the exact same segment that Apple is targeting. Also note that the more advanced markets in Europe, Italy say, have ~20% 3G penetration. That 10% figure isn't staying around for long.
3G allows: Direct to phone music downloads (now that Apple has entered that space, 3G would help them quite a bit). (Slow) broadband internet access, especially relevant for multimedia content, but even regular browsing is obviously much faster. Far greater coverage than WiFi for speedier net use, especially considering Europe's limited and slow EDGE coverage/speed (I freely admit Apple's hotspot deals are useful in reducing this disadvantage of the WiFi/EDGE combo, but coverage remains limited? and The Cloud hotspots don't exist in Northern Ireland for instance). Faster everything for the current and future hybrid web/desktop apps Apple seems intent on shipping with the iPhone, and faster for the web only apps they foist on everybody else.
Look WiFi rocks, especially now that Apple is cutting deals to include WiFI networks, but EDGE coverage and speed in Europe (even now that Apple is forcing operators to upgrade it) isn't that great and doesn't remotely compare to UMTS.
Actually I'd wager that Jobs doesn't want to make a thicker iPhone. Simple as that. Look at the iPod touch, the movie playing iPod with 16GB of storage while the classic has 160GB of storage but a much worse screen. An extra little bit of thickness gives the Touch 80GB of storage, and much more useful for the movie toting person.
So, because a 3G chipset would make the iPhone thicker and because I'm certain 3G iPhone development started well after EDGE iPhone development, Jobs says it's not coming out yet. He'll offer whatever reasons he has to (so far coverage and battery life, of which the first doesn't apply in Europe where UMTS coverage is better than EDGE & WiFi coverage combined, and he's vastly overstating the second) especially because his job is sell current iPhones, not future ones.
When the 3G iPhone comes out he'll hype the hell out of that one, and dismiss any knocks against it like coverage or battery life.
Visual Voicemail works like an email server but stores voice messages. There would be no reason for T-Mobile in the US to have these voice servers installed. So my speculative answer is no.
Unless of coarse T-Mobile saw a benefit in providing this service to iPhone users that unlocked their iPhone. Has Apple and att patened the visual voice technology? Could T-Mobile set up the service if they wished? Now that the iPhone is unlocked and can technically be used on T-Mobile's network. Would it be legal and in T-Mobile's interest to provide service for unlocked iPhones? It might help retain its customers or even take customers back from att because people that already own iPhones and hated att could switch. Maybe T-Mobile could even offer to pay their cancelation fees.
T-Mobile will support the iPhone in the sense that it will allow german T-Mobile customers to roam in the us on the network, from what i understand they will not ( do not ) have the unlock codes for the iPhone and a us based t-mobile SIM will not work in the iPhone, i have not heard if VV will work here in the US for the phone with T-Mobile. hopind that the unlock stays and if so i will be looking at getting one for myself to use on T-Mobile
How many countries do you think there are in Europe?
You know the EU only has 25 members, and with the German roll out, they also rolled out n the NEtherlands and Austria.
Thorsten,
Since this year the EU comprises 27 countries with a total of nearly 491 Million citizens.
Now if this is not a nice market for AAPL - I really dont know. I mean it's 63% more then the population of the US. Add to this an average margin which is about 15% higher (due to the weak dollar).
When the 3G iPhone comes out he'll hype the hell out of that one, and dismiss any knocks against it like coverage or battery life.
I'd place money on the 3G iPhone being a few mm thicker which will be mostly extra battery. Jobs will claim they've solved the 3G power issues whilst basking in the glory of his brilliance. Inside will be exactly the same chips he could have used in iPhone v1. The solution will be more battery not better chips.
At the same time they'll add the "most advanced camera ever in an iPhone" which will still be behind the curve.
Comments
[1]Why doesn't Apple just flood Europe and Great Britain with unlocked iPhones?
[2]Why does Europe even want iPhones if the cellphones they already have are much better overall and cost way less?
[3]Are most cellphones sold in Europe unlocked?
[4]Makes no sense at all.
[5]Why does Apple need kickback from carriers?
[6]They should just sell iPhones like iPods.
[7]How can people that do research be so far off target.
[1] Because they want money from the carriers too.
[2] "better" is subjective and cost is based on needs and wants. Apple is hoping the desire for the iconic device coupled with good user experience will sell their device.
[3] I can't answer that, but can say that most can be unlocked easily. A better question is whether most cellphones are sold under contract.
[4] Seems to make perfect sense to Apple. If we don't like what they're selling then we don't need to buy.
[5] Monthly subscriptions dues is where the real money is at. In order to get this Apple has to offer the customer and carrier something in return. The carrier gets exclusive rights and therefore new customers and the customer gets frequently updated devices and services that are long overdue that expand the user experience.
[6] They do. Walk in to an Apple Store and you buy an iPhone just like any other item. What they don't let you do is use it like an iPod. But it's a phone so how could they?
[7] Because it's all speculative. Imagine a 3-dimensional math problem where the question had so many variables that depending on your point of view that you couldn't really look at every aspect of the model so you have to estimate and guess. Or someone with money is writing them paychecks to say certain things about Apple to scare investors.
Plus I'm a loyal US T-Mobile customer and the thought of switching to att for 2 years bothers the hell out of me.
You're not the only one. ATT is pretty sucky in most places out here in California.
Their CS is fairly tragic as well.
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Why doesn't Apple just flood Europe and Great Britain with unlocked iPhones? Why does Europe even want iPhones if the cellphones they already have are much better overall and cost way less?
Excuse me do you actually know what you are talking about.
I admit that I don't that much. But from the sound and like you write you sound non European.
I live in Germany. And as far as I can see we don't have that much better cell phones over here.
It used to be true a couple of years ago, but now I believe the same cell phones are available everywhere.
Could you tell me a single cell phone that is available over here, that is better thanthe iPhone and NOT available in the US?
If they continue like that it'll take them 10 years to have all of Europe covered and then there's Asia.
How many countries do you think there are in Europe?
You know the EU only has 25 members, and with the German roll out, they also rolled out n the NEtherlands and Austria.
Its seems to me that the German deal might be the best deal yet though.
Without VAT the iPhone cost in Germany 481$ US.
but the contract only seems to require a 2 year contract with T-Mobile.
It does not state specific contracts this far.
So for me as a student that means I should be able to get a 7 EUR contract with 50 inclusive minutes to any network.
And thats pritty much all I need.
I just need to turn off Edge and I am fine :-)
Also something interesting might be if this iPhone might be unlocked, probaly not, but T-Mobile usually seels all their phones unlocked.
Well I hope more speicifcs will show up on the German T-Mobile website soon.
t-mobile.de
So far it doesn't state anythign at all about contractt. The German macworld wrote somethign about that T-Mobile users could use the t-hotspots but it doesn't say if that would be free.
And I would assume no, its not.
Excuse me do you actually know what you are talking about.
I admit that I don't that much. But from the sound and like you write you sound non European.
I live in Germany. And as far as I can see we don't have that much better cell phones over here.
It used to be true a couple of years ago, but now I believe the same cell phones are available everywhere.
Could you tell me a single cell phone that is available over here, that is better thanthe iPhone and NOT available in the US?
At this point Europe's main advantage exists in the much superior UMTS (aka 3G) coverage.
However because most mobile phones use 2100MHz UMTS (not usable in North America), and, as with Sony Ericsson, often use tri-band instead of quad band GSM chips this means they require a specific North American model. Usually a delay of either forever, or a few months.
Japan/South Korea, on the other hand, continue to be well ahead of everybody in mobile hardware & software technology (though their software user interface is as garbage, or worse, as everybody else's?excepting Apple, of course).
At this point Europe's main advantage exists in the much superior UMTS (aka 3G) coverage.
Really? Then: (i) How come less than 10% of phone customers in Europe have 3G contracts? Too expensive? Not what it's cracked up to be? "Nice to have" but not "must have?" Doesn't travel well? (ii) To everyone talking up 3G as though it is the holy grail: What exactly do you use it for? If your answer is "primary internet device" (and if not, I have no idea why you might want 3G) would you please tell me: (iii) what is your monthly bill?
Unless you can provide some answers, please stop regaling us with hypothetical stories about how "superior" 3G is.
Japan/South Korea, on the other hand, continue to be well ahead of everybody in mobile hardware & software technology (though their software user interface is as garbage, or worse, as everybody else's?excepting Apple, of course).
Plus I'm a loyal US T-Mobile customer and the thought of switching to att for 2 years bothers the hell out of me.
Same here. WTF is going on with Apple? The lock on to crapfest at&t in the US, then get cozy with T-mo in Germany? As Herr Spock would say, "highly illogical".
Same here. WTF is going on with Apple? The lock on to crapfest at&t in the US, then get cozy with T-mo in Germany? As Herr Spock would say, "highly illogical".
I certainly can't confirm this, but most companies that span multiple countries are managed by completely separate groups. Perhaps T-Mobile in the US wasn't interested with the iPhone deal at the time or perhaps after they've witnessed the results with AT&T in the US now want in. Or perhaps Apple just went with the highest bidder. There are too many factors to determine here.
I would have preferred T-Mobile, myself, and would enjoyed having free unlimited HotSpot access with my iPhone. I'm speculating that Apple would have made this happen for iPhone customers in the US. One can dream.
I certainly can't confirm this, but most companies that span multiple countries are managed by completely separate groups. Perhaps T-Mobile in the US wasn't interested with the iPhone deal at the time or perhaps after they've witnessed the results with AT&T in the US now want in. Or perhaps Apple just went with the highest bidder. There are too many factors to determine here.
I would have preferred T-Mobile, myself, and would enjoyed having free unlimited HotSpot access with my iPhone. I'm speculating that Apple would have made this happen for iPhone customers in the US. One can dream.
Isn't ATT in the U.S: a better carrier than T-Mobile.
Isn't ATT coverage much broader?
The choice for T-Mobile in Germany is quite obvious, T-Mobile has the widest andbest coverage in Germany, and have the most distribution points.
The only one who might be able to keep up are Vodafone, but I believe between those 2 Apple chose T-Mobile since T-Mobile probably offered, some better deal.
Also Vodafone likes to do a lot of branding so the iPhone is not really for them.
I believe also at the moment T-Mobile has slightly more subsribers than Vodfone, they offer the Wifi Hotspots and they are required by law to give the widest and best coverage all over Germany.
or the consumers T-mobile is definitely the best choice.
The only downside of T-Mobile compared to other providers is the fact that they don't offer any kind of flatrates yet, I guess that will come with the iPhone.
Check the last line of the article: "...iPhone requires a new 2-year T-Mobile tariff..."
Well, yes. But no word on how much you wil have to pay for that 2-year-contract, what it includes etc.
most important thing was not mentioned. how much it will cost
Well, yes. But no word on how much you wil have to pay for that 2-year-contract, what it includes etc.
Well I just hope it will be any 2 year contract which already exist not specific once like everywhere else.
That would be sooooo cooool
Thank T-Mobile for beeing nice
Really? Then: (i) How come less than 10% of phone customers in Europe have 3G contracts? Too expensive? Not what it's cracked up to be? "Nice to have" but not "must have?" Doesn't travel well? (ii) To everyone talking up 3G as though it is the holy grail: What exactly do you use it for? If your answer is "primary internet device" (and if not, I have no idea why you might want 3G) would you please tell me: (iii) what is your monthly bill?
Unless you can provide some answers, please stop regaling us with hypothetical stories about how "superior" 3G is.
There's no such thing as a 3G contract. There's handsets capable of using 3G services but it's the same price contract if you had a 2G phone.
Of course, people with just a need to text, phone and send each other MMS photos don't need 3G.
Smartphone users on the other hand with web access and email would benefit highly from 3G as the alternative is bog standard GPRS in most of Europe.
There's no such thing as a 3G contract. There's handsets capable of using 3G services but it's the same price contract if you had a 2G phone.
Of course, people with just a need to text, phone and send each other MMS photos don't need 3G.
Smartphone users on the other hand with web access and email would benefit highly from 3G as the alternative is bog standard GPRS in most of Europe.
OK.... rephrase that as "3G users" or "3G phones sold" of whatever is appropriate. According to this source (and I've seen a couple of others that show worse numbers), as of early 2006, less than 8% of the users "subscribe to 3G services" in the UK and only about 3% in Germany (Side note: what are they subscribing to if they are not on a contract? But I'll take your word for that).
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Feb2006/2578.htm
I am sure that it is a little better a year later, but I would love to get an answer to the larger point: Why is the uptake for 3G so low/slow? Doesn't sound to me like this technology is flying off the shelves.... yet.
I guess, in a larger sense, I am wondering how much of this 3G stuff is hype and how widespread the usage really is relative to the mobile communication needs of most normal consumers.
Japan/South Korea, on the other hand, continue to be well ahead of everybody in mobile hardware & software technology (though their software user interface is as garbage, or worse, as everybody else's?excepting Apple, of course).
The existence of advanced hardware/software features does not equal ease of use.
Really? Then: (i) How come less than 10% of phone customers in Europe have 3G contracts? Too expensive? Not what it's cracked up to be? "Nice to have" but not "must have?" Doesn't travel well? (ii) To everyone talking up 3G as though it is the holy grail: What exactly do you use it for? If your answer is "primary internet device" (and if not, I have no idea why you might want 3G) would you please tell me: (iii) what is your monthly bill?
The 10% of people who have 3G (45 million of 478.4 million mobile subscribers in Europe as of April 2007) represent the top end of the market?the exact same segment that Apple is targeting. Also note that the more advanced markets in Europe, Italy say, have ~20% 3G penetration. That 10% figure isn't staying around for long.
3G allows: Direct to phone music downloads (now that Apple has entered that space, 3G would help them quite a bit). (Slow) broadband internet access, especially relevant for multimedia content, but even regular browsing is obviously much faster. Far greater coverage than WiFi for speedier net use, especially considering Europe's limited and slow EDGE coverage/speed (I freely admit Apple's hotspot deals are useful in reducing this disadvantage of the WiFi/EDGE combo, but coverage remains limited? and The Cloud hotspots don't exist in Northern Ireland for instance). Faster everything for the current and future hybrid web/desktop apps Apple seems intent on shipping with the iPhone, and faster for the web only apps they foist on everybody else.
Look WiFi rocks, especially now that Apple is cutting deals to include WiFI networks, but EDGE coverage and speed in Europe (even now that Apple is forcing operators to upgrade it) isn't that great and doesn't remotely compare to UMTS.
Actually I'd wager that Jobs doesn't want to make a thicker iPhone. Simple as that. Look at the iPod touch, the movie playing iPod with 16GB of storage while the classic has 160GB of storage but a much worse screen. An extra little bit of thickness gives the Touch 80GB of storage, and much more useful for the movie toting person.
So, because a 3G chipset would make the iPhone thicker and because I'm certain 3G iPhone development started well after EDGE iPhone development, Jobs says it's not coming out yet. He'll offer whatever reasons he has to (so far coverage and battery life, of which the first doesn't apply in Europe where UMTS coverage is better than EDGE & WiFi coverage combined, and he's vastly overstating the second) especially because his job is sell current iPhones, not future ones.
When the 3G iPhone comes out he'll hype the hell out of that one, and dismiss any knocks against it like coverage or battery life.
Visual Voicemail works like an email server but stores voice messages. There would be no reason for T-Mobile in the US to have these voice servers installed. So my speculative answer is no.
Unless of coarse T-Mobile saw a benefit in providing this service to iPhone users that unlocked their iPhone. Has Apple and att patened the visual voice technology? Could T-Mobile set up the service if they wished? Now that the iPhone is unlocked and can technically be used on T-Mobile's network. Would it be legal and in T-Mobile's interest to provide service for unlocked iPhones? It might help retain its customers or even take customers back from att because people that already own iPhones and hated att could switch. Maybe T-Mobile could even offer to pay their cancelation fees.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
How many countries do you think there are in Europe?
You know the EU only has 25 members, and with the German roll out, they also rolled out n the NEtherlands and Austria.
Thorsten,
Since this year the EU comprises 27 countries with a total of nearly 491 Million citizens.
Now if this is not a nice market for AAPL - I really dont know. I mean it's 63% more then the population of the US. Add to this an average margin which is about 15% higher (due to the weak dollar).
HELLLLOOOOOO-O anybody home in Cupertino ?
When the 3G iPhone comes out he'll hype the hell out of that one, and dismiss any knocks against it like coverage or battery life.
I'd place money on the 3G iPhone being a few mm thicker which will be mostly extra battery. Jobs will claim they've solved the 3G power issues whilst basking in the glory of his brilliance. Inside will be exactly the same chips he could have used in iPhone v1. The solution will be more battery not better chips.
At the same time they'll add the "most advanced camera ever in an iPhone" which will still be behind the curve.