Browser Wars - Chimera just got better!

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  • Reply 21 of 33
    badtzbadtz Posts: 949member
    what do you guys mean by "fake aqua" elements?
  • Reply 22 of 33
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    [quote]Originally posted by Brad:

    <strong>Luca: Have you tried Mozilla or Netscape 7 on your Classic Mac OS system? I was just curious as to why you're using such an old version.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I just downloaded Netscape 7 and now I'm using that. I used to use Mozilla before I installed OS X, but now that I'm using OS 9 more of the time I have NS7 as my OS 9 browser. It's gotten a lot like Mozilla, but with less bugs and more features (a bit too many features, actually). I have noticed that text editing is just as fast as anyone could hope for, not the plodding crap that is Chimera. I still prefer Chimera because it allows pop-up blocking. Which OS 9 browsers can block popups? I think iCab can but it's not very good, same with Mozilla.
  • Reply 23 of 33
    The one main feature request that I have fo chimera is the ability to block ads like omniweb does. Once this is added, Chim will be the undisputed champ.
  • Reply 24 of 33
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    [quote]Originally posted by Bodhi:

    <strong>Have they fixed the password problem yet? It doesn't want to save passwords for sites.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    That's not a "fix" (as it's not a bug), but an "implementation". And no, it wasn't implemented yet.
  • Reply 25 of 33
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    [quote]Originally posted by Brad:

    <strong>Actually, it would seem that the bug was only half fixed, damnit. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />



    I'd already discovered that where it makes fonts that were previously too small back to the right size, it still makes some other text even smaller. WTF.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    At least I can now be sure that I'm not the only one with the problem
  • Reply 26 of 33
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    [quote]Originally posted by crawlingparanoia:

    <strong>Still using fake aqua elements...



    I won't use any browser that doesn't use Aqua (i.e. Chimera, Mozilla, Internet Explorer, iCab), so I guess I'm left with OmniWeb.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Where does Chimera use fake aqua? Aren't you confusing it with Mozilla? Chimera has a native GUI, built with InterfaceBuilder.
  • Reply 27 of 33
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    I don't know much about programming in OS X so I am not totally sure about this. I believe that if you code a program a certain way (I think cocoa) then a number of features from OS X are integrated into it, like the font panel, auto spell checking, text editing engine and aqua elements. So you just say "put a button there" without telling it what to look like and it automatically makes it look like aqua. Chimera uses "fake" aqua because they had to program all the buttons and everything to look like aqua, but they're not native like that.



    Anyone, feel free to correct me. I'm not sure of what I'm talking about, but I do think there's some sort of automatic aqua-izing of programs if they're done a certain way. It looks weird if it's not done that way (which is why Chimera looks not quite right).
  • Reply 27 of 33
    [quote]Originally posted by DanMacMan:

    <strong>The one main feature request that I have fo chimera is the ability to block ads like omniweb does. Once this is added, Chim will be the undisputed champ.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Try Privoxy from <a href="http://www.privoxy.org"; target="_blank">www.privoxy.org</a>, it blocks ads, protects your privacy, and does other cool stuff like helping to make QT movies downloadable.



    Version 3.0 just came out and it's pretty simple to set up. It works in all browsers (though I'm getting weird javascript errors in Omniweb at the mo).



    [edit: fixing link]



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  • Reply 29 of 33
    [quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:

    <strong>Chimera uses "fake" aqua because they had to program all the buttons and everything to look like aqua, but they're not native like that.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Close, but not totally correct. All the toolbars, font panels etc. in Chimera are 100% aqua goodness. On the other hand, the submit buttons and checkboxes on forms etc. in webpages are generated using XUL. That is why they don't look exactly right. This is a moot point though as all the other browsers do this too(Omniweb does it best at the moment).



    [edit: replying to your other post]



    Netscape 7 can block pop-ups just as well as Mozilla, the feature is just turned off. Do a search on Google and you'll easily find out how to switch it back on.



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  • Reply 30 of 33
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    I don't think Chimera has a XUL implementation. I'm not sure though.
  • Reply 31 of 33
    [quote]Originally posted by Chucker:

    <strong>I don't think Chimera has a XUL implementation. I'm not sure though.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    They're planning to move the form widgets to XBL and that is built on top of XUL. Plus XUL/XBL are Dave Hyatt's babies, he wouldn't have left them out.



    [edit: to clarify]

    XUL is used for the GUI/chrome in Mozilla but not in Chimera.



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  • Reply 32 of 33
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    [quote]Originally posted by stupider...likeafox:

    <strong>



    They're planning to move the form widgets to XBL</strong><hr></blockquote>



    In Mozilla, yes! But I doubt that they would do that for Chimera.



    [quote]<strong> and that is built on top of XUL.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    In this case, yes, but not necessarily. XBL is just an XML language for "bindings".



    [quote]<strong> Plus XUL/XBL are Dave Hyatt's babies, he wouldn't have left them out.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    hyatt created lots of stuff
  • Reply 33 of 33
    [quote]Originally posted by Chucker:

    <strong>

    In Mozilla, yes! But I doubt that they would do that for Chimera.

    </strong>

    <hr></blockquote>



    read <a href="http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2359&message=19"; target="_blank">this comment</a> from <a href="http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/asa/"; target="_blank">asa dotzler</a> for confirmation. (oops this link is actually talking about galeon, however, there has been talk on the mailing list about a move to xbl, you can have a look yourself if you don't believe me)



    [quote]Originally posted by Chucker:

    <strong>

    In this case, yes, but not necessarily. XBL is just an XML language for "bindings".

    </strong>

    <hr></blockquote>



    quote from <a href="http://www.xulplanet.com/tutorials/xultu/introxbl.html"; target="_blank">this</a> page:



    "XUL has a sister language, XBL (eXtensible Bindings Language). This language is used for declaring the behavior of XUL widgets."



    [quote]Originally posted by Chucker:

    <strong>

    hyatt created lots of stuff

    </strong>

    <hr></blockquote>



    quote from his own weblog (taken slightly out of context):

    "I created Chimera, XUL and XBL, and as such, should be worshipped as a god."



    [edited to clean up quote formatting]



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