Leopard - Boot Camp XP

spikester_05 · October 19, 2007 8:37AM

Hi

I am just about to buy a new MBP, but I need Xp for one or two things, and I was wandering if XP works at 100% capcaity on a MBP. Cause on apple.com they says it "Runs Windows at native speed", (i am not too sure what this means but,) does it mean it will run as if running on a normal computer??? Also Leopard runs on 64 bit, does this mean i could run Vista 64 bit on boot camp???

Any info welcome

gizmo-xl · October 19, 2007 8:42AM

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Originally Posted by spikester_05

Hi

I am just about to buy a new MBP, but I need Xp for one or two things, and I was wandering if XP works at 100% capcaity on a MBP. Cause on apple.com they says it "Runs Windows at native speed", (i am not too sure what this means but,) does it mean it will run as if running on a normal computer??? Also Leopard runs on 64 bit, does this mean i could run Vista 64 bit on boot camp???

Any info welcome

XP works at 100% capcaity YES

Depending what you are doing you may want to look at VM Fusion so you can run both OS's at the same time.

http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/

lenny · October 19, 2007 8:57AM

I think you'll only be able to install a 32 bit version of Windows. But if you need XP for "one or two things", maybe you should try Parallels instead of installing Windows to a second partition.

spikester_05 · October 19, 2007 9:10AM

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Originally Posted by lenny

I think you'll only be able to install a 32 bit version of Windows. But if you need XP for "one or two things", maybe you should try Parallels instead of installing Windows to a second partition.

I only need Xp for office and a few games, so most of the time I will know what OS i want when I start up. I wont need to switch applications half through.

Doesnt Parallels take up more system performance as you are running two OS at once?

And, will I be able to use/read my Leopard documents and files when I am in XP, and vica verca. For example, will I be able to access my music in XP which is stored Leopard, when I am using I-Tunes. ??

Thanks for the previous info

lenny · October 19, 2007 12:09PM

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Doesnt Parallels take up more system performance as you are running two OS at once?

You can assign any amount of RAM for Paralles. But of course the more RAM you have in your machine the better.

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Originally Posted by spikester_05

And, will I be able to use/read my Leopard documents and files when I am in XP, and vica verca. For example, will I be able to access my music in XP which is stored Leopard, when I am using I-Tunes. ?

You mean if you're using Boot Camp? If so, when you're in XP you won't be able to use/read Mac files. Stupid Windows won't even know that there's another OS installed on the same HD. But when you're in Mac OS you will be able to use/read any files on Windows partition.

spikester_05 · October 19, 2007 2:30PM

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Originally Posted by lenny

You can assign any amount of RAM for Paralles. But of course the more RAM you have in your machine the better.

You mean if you're using Boot Camp? If so, when you're in XP you won't be able to use/read Mac files. Stupid Windows won't even know that there's another OS installed on the same HD. But when you're in Mac OS you will be able to use/read any files on Windows partition.

Thanks for the info.

Just a few more question, can apple run 4Gb of ram at 100%. (Cause, Vista is rubbish and can't run 4Gb of ram usefully.)

And would it be worth getting 4Gb if I run Paralles or VM Fusion??

And can I run Paralles/VM Fusion and Boot Camp?

Finally, which is better Paralles or VM Fusion? (Use for -Office 07, ITunes, Photos and Video viewing and a few games such as Call of Duty)

Thanks for all the help so far.

lenny · October 19, 2007 3:27PM

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Originally Posted by spikester_05

Thanks for the info.

Just a few more question, can apple run 4Gb of ram at 100%. (Cause, Vista is rubbish and can't run 4Gb of ram usefully.)

That depends on the Mac that you buy. The new iMacs support up to 4GB of RAM. Forget about Vista, it's the nature's mistake!

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And can I run Paralles/VM Fusion and Boot Camp?

Yes you can

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Finally, which is better Paralles or VM Fusion?

Personally I prefer Parallels

PS Why would you want Parallels/Fusion to run iTunes?

filburt · October 19, 2007 4:09PM

For games, use Boot Camp. Parallel and Fusion provide limited graphics acceleration (and will be able to use only a portion of the graphics memory). Significantly slower frame rates.

spikester_05 · October 19, 2007 5:12PM

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Originally Posted by lenny

That depends on the Mac that you buy. The new iMacs support up to 4GB of RAM. Forget about Vista, it's the nature's mistake!

Yes you can

Personally I prefer Parallels

PS Why would you want Parallels/Fusion to run iTunes?

Thanks for everything!!!

Oh yeah, sorry that was a blonde moment....lol

bobmarksdale · October 19, 2007 10:08PM

There is this nifty program called 'Macdrive' that lets you access your HFS drive from a windows setting such as XP. I use it for iTunes and for my background pics; I do a couple of other odd things with it as well, but not as often.

1337_5l4xx0r · October 20, 2007 1:55AM

My recommendation is to use VMWare, as it supports multiple CPUs, which are in every Mac (and have been for some time) except the mac mini. This means that with an SMP (Symmetric Multi Processing) version of XP, like XP Professional, you are using both cores in your Mac. I'm using the latest free beta, and I have no complaints at all.

BTW, you are correct in that running OS X and XP is VERY hungry for ram, so if you have less than 2GB, I'd just run Boot Camp.

sarges · October 20, 2007 4:47AM

not sure if it has been asked before, I have a new-ish MacBook Pro 2.33 (bought in Feb this year). I run Windows Vista under Boot Camp, which is due to expire soon. I have purchased Leopard and plan to upgrade soon. My question will the upgrade erase the current Boot Cam set up, thus having to re-install Windows Vista (as well as MS Office 2007 and all other PC software)? I don't quite relish the thought of having to back - up every file and then re-install everything. Does anyone know if during the upgrade process Leopard will smoothly keep all programs and files under the current Boot Camp?

Thx

sequitur · October 20, 2007 5:52PM

Crossover has been discussed before, but I'd like to hear from users. Not having to buy a copy of Windows is one heck of a positive aspect. A $60 price tag is also a plus.

Also, I've heard that the home versions of Windows don't work in bootcamp or has that changed?

Crossover: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/

1337_5l4xx0r · October 20, 2007 7:48PM

Sarges: Bootcamp will continue to function, and your Windows partition will go untouched. What won't work after Boot Camp expires is the utility itself, which means no updating bootcamp windows drivers, until you install Leopard.

I repeat: Bootcamp will continue to work as it always has.

jaketherock · October 20, 2007 8:20PM

Parallels can use your windows partition on your hard drive and run Windows from there. And it is also fully integrated, with all it's coherence fetures, which are pretty cool. I have not tried fusion though, so no comment.

Crossover is a different story. the only apps it really sucessfully runs are those officially supported. now, the last versionI used was the Beta a few months ago, but it was still really limited and a little complex. but it looks to be getting better. it is worth trying though

ashilily04 · October 21, 2007 1:23AM

Will using Boot Camp to add Windows to your Mac slow your Mac down at all? What are the down falls of using Boot Camp?

I guess I'm a little confused about how Boot Camp works. You download Windows on to the Mac and it basically is Windows?

Also, what does 'native speed' mean?

zoc · October 21, 2007 1:43AM

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Will using Boot Camp to add Windows to your Mac slow your Mac down at all? What are the down falls of using Boot Camp?

I guess I'm a little confused about how Boot Camp works. You download Windows on to the Mac and it basically is Windows?

Also, what does 'native speed' mean?

Bootcamp will not slow down your Mac. The only down fall of using it is that you have to reboot to use Windows. When running windows this way, your mac is a PC. That's why Windows and Windows applications are running at "native speed". This mean that they're using the full power of your Mac.

When using Windows into MacOS with a virtualization solution, like VmWare or Parallels, Both MacOS and Windows use and share the hardware of your Mac. The virtualization software also have to emulate graphic, video and network cards. This will slow down Windows a bit, and that's why Windows applications will not run at native speed.

sarges · October 21, 2007 3:05AM

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Originally Posted by 1337_5L4Xx0R

Sarges: Bootcamp will continue to function, and your Windows partition will go untouched. What won't work after Boot Camp expires is the utility itself, which means no updating bootcamp windows drivers, until you install Leopard.

I repeat: Bootcamp will continue to work as it always has.

thanks for the reply, it's reassuring to know that Boot Camp will work after Leopard is released. I guess my main concern is more with what happens to my Boot Camp partition during the OSX upgrade process. In other words, I need to know if the partition is erased (with all its content), and have to create a new one after installing Leopard. That'll mean having to re-install Windows Vista and all other software.

zoc · October 21, 2007 5:48AM

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Originally Posted by sarges

thanks for the reply, it's reassuring to know that Boot Camp will work after Leopard is released. I guess my main concern is more with what happens to my Boot Camp partition during the OSX upgrade process. In other words, I need to know if the partition is erased (with all its content), and have to create a new one after installing Leopard. That'll mean having to re-install Windows Vista and all other software.

The installation process does not change the partitionning of the disk and does not erase existing partitions, if you do not explicitely ask it to change the partitions by starting the disk utility.

onlooker · October 21, 2007 9:02AM

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Originally Posted by sarges

thanks for the reply, it's reassuring to know that Boot Camp will work after Leopard is released. I guess my main concern is more with what happens to my Boot Camp partition during the OSX upgrade process. In other words, I need to know if the partition is erased (with all its content), and have to create a new one after installing Leopard. That'll mean having to re-install Windows Vista and all other software.

When you partition a disk your computer sees two hard-drives. So if you install leopard on your Mac hard-drive/partition, your windows hard-drive/parition will remain unaltered. It's just like a second internal hard-drive.

dryadsdad · October 21, 2007 2:19PM

Some questions about boot camp and Leopard from a guy who is considering an iMac move from Windows only.

1. Can I share files between the Mac and Windows side? That is, is there a share folder that both OS's can see?

2. Do I statically partition Mac and Windows? That is, does Leopard dynamically allocate space to both or do I define partition size at boot camp install?

3. Apple.com says that when installing Windows XP, I MUST use a CD with Windows XP SP2 on CD when dicsussing Tiger. My XP CD's are all early ones w/o SP2. When I reinstall Windows as I must every 6 months, I d/l SP2 from microsoft.com. I don't have nor can I access a CD with XP SP2 even though I have licenses for it.

Leopard - Boot Camp XP

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