I wont start using IE again until MS implements unicode in their Mac SW. I heavily rely on it and until it does it's all but useless for me.
No way I'm gonna fork out ?46 just to be able to read and write my own language (Icelandic). It's an old Apple problem as well though, MS is not the only partner to blame here, old font table conflicts. Now I use OmniWeb, Mail and Text Edit for word processing and will do so until Unicode finally takes over in other Apps.
<strong>Is it just me, or does it seem like we've been using Internet Explorer 5 forever?</strong><hr></blockquote>I started using it in October 1999 when the first betas started circulating.
Yes, it is OLD and hasn't had any major improvements in THREE YEARS.
I think the fact they're releasing this update now means that a major upgrade isn't coming out very soon at least. Wish they would. I hate having to use many seperate browsers depending on the site I visit. One of the down sides of the platform
<strong>Yes, it is OLD and hasn't had any major improvements in THREE YEARS.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I honestly don't care the IE hasn't been updated. What scares me is that it's three years old but is still the best for compatibility. Chimera has been my default browser for months now, but I still use IE and OW for backup.
<strong>I wonder if IE6 will be OS X only . . .</strong><hr></blockquote>Yes, it has been said that IE6 will be OSX-only.
Note, however, that this does NOT mean it will be cocoa. I strongly doubt it will be cocoa because that would mean throwing away all of the current code and starting from scratch again. Somehow I doubt Microsoft is that dedicated to the Mac.
What the hell does that mean? I think Microsoft's Mac division is just as dedicated to the Mac as any other developer out there. There is no logic to think that Microsoft won't throw out all the old code and build an entirely new cocoa code set ? particularly with all the resources and manpower it wants to hire to get the job done. I don't understand Microsoft bashing.
This update is clearly faster and better than 5.2.1.
Mine crashes after too long and strenuous a session (many webpages, many refreshes, graphics, xx hours of use...). It does this in 5.0 and 5.1.
That drove me back to Netscape 7. ...But that has its own annoying crashing problems- like if you try to mouse scroll while the page is still rendering or you drag a link into the browser and it chokes on the sound effect for some reason. Normally, that would be enough for me to forget about this Netscape version, but I am simply addicted to the tabbed windows. Best thing since sliced bread!
<strong>There is no logic to think that Microsoft won't throw out all the old code and build an entirely new cocoa code set ? particularly with all the resources and manpower it wants to hire to get the job done.</strong><hr></blockquote>Oh really??
Then, answer me this. Why would Microsoft devote such enormous manpower to ditching the old code and completely rewriting a *free* program from scratch when they don't even come *close* to doing that for the software they charge for?
Microsoft Office v.X has been out for a YEAR, costs a mind-bending US$439, and yet is still just marginally better than previous versions in many areas. What was the single improvement I noticed over 2001? It's carbonized to run native. That's all. Sure the GUI has had a number of changes with updated icons and whatnot, but not all of that is for the better. Oodles of flaws from previous versions of Office years ago are *still* in the current version. For ****'s sake, it can't even properly handle files with names longer than 32 characters!! The code for doing something as simple as this has been around for, what, three years. Where's the logic is how Microsoft dedicates its resources? Why put so much effort into a single app that will earn Microsoft ZERO dollars and not relatively the same or more into a suite of apps that makes MILLIONS of dollars?
Then, answer me this. Why would Microsoft devote such enormous manpower to ditching the old code and completely rewriting a *free* program from scratch when they don't even come *close* to doing that for the software they charge for?
Microsoft Office v.X has been out for a YEAR, costs a mind-bending US$439, and yet is still just marginally better than previous versions in many areas. What was the single improvement I noticed over 2001? It's carbonized to run native. That's all. Sure the GUI has had a number of changes with updated icons and
1. Because people are complaining about IE, that's why they would but effort into it. MS Office is by mile the best Office package out there but their facing some serious competition on the browser front.
2. MS likes to be the standard when it comes to the internet *to be able to charge heavily for it later*
3. Reputation matters for them. It's in their best interest that user experience is good in whatever MS program out there.
4. IE is relatively small app and doesn't require the amount of recourses to rewrite as Office would.
5. MS benefits from the agreement with Apple. It's in their best interest to keep Apple away from the browser Marked.
These are the 5 most obvious reasons why they should totally rewrite IE. I'm sure there are more
Okay, I see the logic in all your points, kelib, except this: [quote]Originally posted by kelib:
<strong>5. MS benefits from the agreement with Apple.</strong><hr></blockquote>What agreement? Do you mean the five-year agreement that expired earlier this year? Even if this contract was still in effect, how would Microsoft be benefiting? During the stated time period, Apple had already agreed to bundle IE as the default browser.
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No way I'm gonna fork out ?46 just to be able to read and write my own language (Icelandic). It's an old Apple problem as well though, MS is not the only partner to blame here, old font table conflicts. Now I use OmniWeb, Mail and Text Edit for word processing and will do so until Unicode finally takes over in other Apps.
[ 09-25-2002: Message edited by: kelib ]</p>
It just hasn't changed in so long!
I know, I know, it was Carbonized, there have been new preferences added, tweaks to the rendering engine, ...
I've been staring at the same ugly faux-Aqua interface for much too long now.
Come on Microsoft!
[QB]Is it just me, or does it seem like we've been using Internet Explorer 5 forever?
It just hasn't changed in so long!
It's because they don't want to add DataIslands into the Mac version
<strong>Is it just me, or does it seem like we've been using Internet Explorer 5 forever?</strong><hr></blockquote>I started using it in October 1999 when the first betas started circulating.
Yes, it is OLD and hasn't had any major improvements in THREE YEARS.
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although - it's real competition has only appeared within the last year.
I really think IE6 will be killer.
I mean, if IE5 was writtin in 1999 - You think they might've learned a few things since.
I wonder if IE6 will be OS X only . . .
As for this update... does it really do anything other than address a security issue?
There are no new features, are there?
There are no performance improvments, are there?
If it stops doing that thing where the text doesn't render I guess I'll be impressed.
<strong>Yes, it is OLD and hasn't had any major improvements in THREE YEARS.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I honestly don't care the IE hasn't been updated. What scares me is that it's three years old but is still the best for compatibility. Chimera has been my default browser for months now, but I still use IE and OW for backup.
Escher
<strong>I wonder if IE6 will be OS X only . . .</strong><hr></blockquote>Yes, it has been said that IE6 will be OSX-only.
Note, however, that this does NOT mean it will be cocoa. I strongly doubt it will be cocoa because that would mean throwing away all of the current code and starting from scratch again. Somehow I doubt Microsoft is that dedicated to the Mac.
This update is clearly faster and better than 5.2.1.
That drove me back to Netscape 7. ...But that has its own annoying crashing problems- like if you try to mouse scroll while the page is still rendering or you drag a link into the browser and it chokes on the sound effect for some reason. Normally, that would be enough for me to forget about this Netscape version, but I am simply addicted to the tabbed windows.
<strong>There is no logic to think that Microsoft won't throw out all the old code and build an entirely new cocoa code set ? particularly with all the resources and manpower it wants to hire to get the job done.</strong><hr></blockquote>Oh really??
Then, answer me this. Why would Microsoft devote such enormous manpower to ditching the old code and completely rewriting a *free* program from scratch when they don't even come *close* to doing that for the software they charge for?
Microsoft Office v.X has been out for a YEAR, costs a mind-bending US$439, and yet is still just marginally better than previous versions in many areas. What was the single improvement I noticed over 2001? It's carbonized to run native. That's all. Sure the GUI has had a number of changes with updated icons and whatnot, but not all of that is for the better. Oodles of flaws from previous versions of Office years ago are *still* in the current version. For ****'s sake, it can't even properly handle files with names longer than 32 characters!! The code for doing something as simple as this has been around for, what, three years. Where's the logic is how Microsoft dedicates its resources? Why put so much effort into a single app that will earn Microsoft ZERO dollars and not relatively the same or more into a suite of apps that makes MILLIONS of dollars?
Huh? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
[ 09-26-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]</p>
by the way, since "upgrading" to 5.2.2 My IE will no longer complete any download attempts. I'm in 10.2.1.
It is faster but won't let me download anything any more. Any one else have this problem?
[ 09-26-2002: Message edited by: Multimedia ]</p>
<strong>Oh really??
Then, answer me this. Why would Microsoft devote such enormous manpower to ditching the old code and completely rewriting a *free* program from scratch when they don't even come *close* to doing that for the software they charge for?
Microsoft Office v.X has been out for a YEAR, costs a mind-bending US$439, and yet is still just marginally better than previous versions in many areas. What was the single improvement I noticed over 2001? It's carbonized to run native. That's all. Sure the GUI has had a number of changes with updated icons and
[ 09-26-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
There are a few reasons for that.
1. Because people are complaining about IE, that's why they would but effort into it. MS Office is by mile the best Office package out there but their facing some serious competition on the browser front.
2. MS likes to be the standard when it comes to the internet *to be able to charge heavily for it later*
3. Reputation matters for them. It's in their best interest that user experience is good in whatever MS program out there.
4. IE is relatively small app and doesn't require the amount of recourses to rewrite as Office would.
5. MS benefits from the agreement with Apple. It's in their best interest to keep Apple away from the browser Marked.
These are the 5 most obvious reasons why they should totally rewrite IE. I'm sure there are more
<strong>5. MS benefits from the agreement with Apple.</strong><hr></blockquote>What agreement? Do you mean the five-year agreement that expired earlier this year? Even if this contract was still in effect, how would Microsoft be benefiting? During the stated time period, Apple had already agreed to bundle IE as the default browser.
<strong>and on top of it all - it's still arguably the best Mac browser out there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmm, I don't know about "the best", but it's certainly the most compatible with Microsoft Internet®.
If there's a site that OmniWeb struggles with, I always know that IE won't let me down. I need IE for my online banking and fund management.