If they don't fix the new Mac Pro's, the disabled Matshita drives, come out with new displays, and get Leopard up to par... then I think it's going to be a very rough year for Apple. Not the time to buy. Look at picking up APPL shares for $86 in Sept.
If AAPL hit $86, that would be a PE of around 10 discounting for the $16/share they have in cash. No matter how bad things get, I can't imagine them with a price less than $112. I just wish I had enough cash to buy some more.
Apple just needs to listen to their customers and stop trying to change what we need based on design. The stock fell because nothing happened at Macworld.
1. Macbook Air? How can you sell an ultra portable laptop that can't change batteries on the fly? Plus where's the ethernet jack? If I travel allot those two things are a deal breaker.
2. Apple TV, Great idea, now release it already!!! Plus, add the ability to loop video, that would make it a huge selling point for trade show use.
3. iPOd touch update $20? Lame. Should be free.
4. iPhone updates? Thanks for being free but whatever, nothing we need. We need cut and paste, syncing of notes (I lost mine twice when my 2 phone's had to be replaced) and open it up to developers already, they now how to make software people actually want, and they would save your snobby asses.
Apple just needs to listen to their customers and stop trying to change what we need based on design. The stock fell because nothing happened at Macworld.
1. Macbook Air? How can you sell an ultra portable laptop that can't change batteries on the fly? Plus where's the ethernet jack? If I travel allot those two things are a deal breaker.
2. Apple TV, Great idea, now release it already!!! Plus, add the ability to loop video, that would make it a huge selling point for trade show use.
3. iPOd touch update $20? Lame. Should be free.
4. iPhone updates? Thanks for being free but whatever, nothing we need. We need cut and paste, syncing of notes (I lost mine twice when my 2 phone's had to be replaced) and open it up to developers already, they now how to make software people actually want, and they would save your snobby asses.
1. Considering that the battery in the MBA lasts twice as long as other batteries, there is not a need to carry a backup. Ethernet jack? That defeats the whole purpose of calling it the MacBook Air. It is designed to be a completely wireless computer. If that's not what you want then there is always the MB and MBP.
2. Ummm.. didn't you hear the part where he said it will be released in two weeks?
3. It is free if you buy a new one.. If you already bought one, $20 is reasonable for five additional apps.
4. I agree about needing cut and paste, but this update was really about iTunes movie rentals and making room for new apps from third parties with the upcoming SDK release.
1. Considering that the battery in the MBA lasts twice as long as other batteries, there is not a need to carry a backup.
"Twice as long?" Really? 'Cuz most of the reviews that tested the batt life said to expect 3.5 to 4.5 hours for the MBAir. My iBook and my gfriend's MacBook both last nearly that long.
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Ethernet jack? That defeats the whole purpose of calling it the MacBook Air.
Who cares about preserving the marketing speak? If the lack of a jack is a deal-breaker for a significant enough number of ppl, Apple should rectify that. We'll see how it goes.
"Twice as long?" Really? 'Cuz most of the reviews that tested the batt life said to expect 3.5 to 4.5 hours for the MBAir. My iBook and my gfriend's MacBook both last nearly that long.
Who cares about preserving the marketing speak? If the lack of a jack is a deal-breaker for a significant enough number of ppl, Apple should rectify that. We'll see how it goes.
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The MBA battery lasts 2x as long as other ultraportables. Of course a full size battery in a full size notebook will last longer. But you have to compare Apples to Apples and when you do, you will see that most ultraportable notebooks batteries last appx 2 to 2.5 hours.
And I'm not preserving "Market Speak." The MBA is designed to be an ultra portable wireless computer, not a full featured notebook. There are other options available if you don't want a strictly wireless computer.
Comparing the specs of an ultra portable to a full size is pointless. They are different products for different purposes. When size and weight are a priority, you have to sacrifice some functionality.. I think that Apple did a fine job of finding a very useable balance of form and function with the Air.
The MBA battery lasts 2x as long as other ultraportables. Of course a full size battery in a full size notebook will last longer. But you have to compare Apples to Apples and when you do, you will see that most ultraportable notebooks batteries last appx 2 to 2.5 hours.
And I'm not preserving "Market Speak." The MBA is designed to be an ultra portable wireless computer, not a full featured notebook.
Not exactly... the MB Air is designed to be Apple's 'better alternative' to an ultraportable, it is not a true ultraportable itself.
If it were intended to be a true ultraportable, it wouldn't have the same footprint as a regular MacBook, which it does.
Another point on portability: Sure, there must be some afterthought doohickey you can buy which will let you plug into an Ethernet port (USB port adapter), but then that becomes one more thing to carry around, doesn't it? Not to mention the carry along external optical drive. Perhaps you don't watch DVDs on long train or plane rides, but I sure do.
At some point, there's too many things to carry along to make up for insufficient built-in functionality, and your 'portable' really isn't, anymore. \
I really like the MB Air, but for its gorgeous design more than anything else. If I were a true day-in, day-out road warrior, I'd probably go with something else.
If they don't fix the new Mac Pro's, the disabled Matshita drives, come out with new displays, and get Leopard up to par... then I think it's going to be a very rough year for Apple. Not the time to buy. Look at picking up APPL shares for $86 in Sept.
i'd like to see you put your money where your mouth is and go short aapl all the way down to $86, where you can reverse your position as it climbs back up.
Not exactly... the MB Air is designed to be Apple's 'better alternative' to an ultraportable, it is not a true ultraportable itself.
If it were intended to be a true ultraportable, it wouldn't have the same footprint as a regular MacBook, which it does.
Another point on portability: Sure, there must be some afterthought doohickey you can buy which will let you plug into an Ethernet port (USB port adapter), but then that becomes one more thing to carry around, doesn't it? Not to mention the carry along external optical drive. Perhaps you don't watch DVDs on long train or plane rides, but I sure do.
At some point, there's too many things to carry along to make up for insufficient built-in functionality, and your 'portable' really isn't, anymore. \
I really like the MB Air, but for its gorgeous design more than anything else. If I were a true day-in, day-out road warrior, I'd probably go with something else.
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What's stopping you from ripping your DVD to the hard drive first? The problem with those that want ultraportable meaning "small" is that they're ok with the smaller keyboard and screen. Frankly I'm more aligned with Apple in if you can deliver a 3lb notebook with a fullsized keyboard and popular monitor size that's more important than overall dimensions. The laptop is going to be in a bag or on your lap..I don't need it small I need it light.
The USB adapter is another device to carry around but let's be honest a candybar weighs more. The optical drive is another personal thing. Frankly I don't use the optical drive on my PC much so I probably wouldn't ante up for the external drive.
I love Apple, but I'm with the folks who are pessimistic as to AAPL over the next year. I've been buying Apple computers since the 80's, and, well, they don't sell any desktop or laptop computers I want right now. At all. I realize there's a lot of people out there buying Apple products, and that's great, but I can't invest in a company whose products I no longer understand the appeal of. I like their iPod lineup, but I buy one of those every 2-3 years, and that's not enough to sustain the current valuation let alone grow it.
Now, my mind might change significantly if I see a nice Touch SDK next month and maybe a new model on the horizon. I've been amazed at how useful the darn thing is in the month I've owned it, and I could see the Touch and iPhone becoming a significant computing platform over the next year. But I don't have any confidence that Apple will shed the Not Invented Here syndrome and really do what's best with the SDK, and I suspect they'll just shovel more of the same developer crap with fancy marketing tied to it. The Mac's development environment leaves a LOT to be desired, and so I'm skeptical they'll do the iPod one right. (Why couldn't they have just adopted Java and had an instant army of already-trained developers and a top-notch free IDE? This is the sort of thing Java was DESIGNED for!)
Frankly I'm more aligned with Apple in if you can deliver a 3lb notebook with a fullsized keyboard and popular monitor size that's more important than overall dimensions. The laptop is going to be in a bag or on your lap... I don't need it small I need it light.
That is indeed the bet that Apple is making. We'll see if they're right.
Short-term, the launch orders will be great. But long-term, the worry is that the MBA will have only niche sales.
I find a lot of pessimism coming from Apple fans who someone have been fooled into thinking that life's been rosy for PC owners. I look forward to the day I can get rid of the junky old PCs I have at home. I entertain thoughts of building another PC for fun but then reality hits. Why? Vista isn't all that sexy and frankly I'd rather virtualize.
I'm not too happy with the Mac Pro starting price. The iMac is a simplistic and handsome system but I'd be more happy if it eschewed mobile parts at the high end.
I'm looking forward to getting a Macbook. I'd love for the "black tax" to go away. I'm not using it for gaming so an X3100 graphics system is fine. I prefer the 13.3 size.
I'm actually in a situation where I have plenty of room (sadly not enough cash) to evolve my Mac setup. This years purchase will certainly bring a new Ipod in and a Apple TV. I'd love an iPhone but my job currently will only expense a Blackberry so hopefully by the end of my 2yr contract I'll be able to segue into a iPhone 3G with proper Exchange support.
By and large the problem right now with Apple pertains to blatant attempts by the media Empires to hobble Apple's success in music and video downloads. Apple cannot lose itself here. It's not their content and thus they will not be able to manufacture huge profits like homegrown content. In essence Apple's lack of ownership prevents them from "printing money" like they do with OS X.
Hopefully Apple delivers a unified iPhone SDK that allows for easy creation of iPhone and Touch apps. Lately Apple has been fine with developer tools. I don't see them working overtime to thwart the fringe iPhone developers jailbreaking the phones.
The Tech market is taking a beating and you're only as good as your last deal on Wall Street. By the end of the year I think we'll acknowledge that we had a recession yet the hope is that positive momentum is going to carry forward into 2009.
I find a lot of pessimism coming from Apple fans who someone have been fooled into thinking that life's been rosy for PC owners. I look forward to the day I can get rid of the junky old PCs I have at home. I entertain thoughts of building another PC for fun but then reality hits. Why? Vista isn't all that sexy and frankly I'd rather virtualize.
I myself have no overpowering interest in going PC. But its hard not to look over the fence at some of the facts of life on the PC side... you can get a very decent 15" notebook for far less than $2000, for example.
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I'm not too happy with the Mac Pro starting price.
An Apple minitower would be a godsend, eh? $2800 for the MacPro is just crazy cuckoo bananas. Even $2300 for the downgraded model is.
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I'm looking forward to getting a Macbook. I'd love for the "black tax" to go away. I'm not using it for gaming so an X3100 graphics system is fine. I prefer the 13.3 size.
We are so very different. I find the 13.3" screen small and the integrated graphics pathetic.
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I'm actually in a situation where I have plenty of room (sadly not enough cash) to evolve my Mac setup. This years purchase will certainly bring a new Ipod in and a Apple TV. I'd love an iPhone but my job currently will only expense a Blackberry so hopefully by the end of my 2yr contract I'll be able to segue into a iPhone 3G with proper Exchange support.
I'll go iPhone too... once there's a 3G model and once ATT isn't the exclusive carrier (I guess unlocked on T-Mobile wouldn't be too bad, but Verizon is the best carrier where I live).
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By and large the problem right now with Apple pertains to blatant attempts by the media Empires to hobble Apple's success in music and video downloads. Apple cannot lose itself here. It's not their content and thus they will not be able to manufacture huge profits like homegrown content. In essence Apple's lack of ownership prevents them from "printing money" like they do with OS X.
Hopefully Apple delivers a unified iPhone SDK that allows for easy creation of iPhone and Touch apps. Lately Apple has been fine with developer tools. I don't see them working overtime to thwart the fringe iPhone developers jailbreaking the phones.
The Tech market is taking a beating and you're only as good as your last deal on Wall Street. By the end of the year I think we'll acknowledge that we had a recession yet the hope is that positive momentum is going to carry forward into 2009.
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Disney gave him 7% of the company? Wow.
Think about how many mock turtlenecks and pairs of Levis he can buy with that!
I suspect he will still only own three of each.
If they don't fix the new Mac Pro's, the disabled Matshita drives, come out with new displays, and get Leopard up to par... then I think it's going to be a very rough year for Apple. Not the time to buy. Look at picking up APPL shares for $86 in Sept.
If AAPL hit $86, that would be a PE of around 10 discounting for the $16/share they have in cash. No matter how bad things get, I can't imagine them with a price less than $112. I just wish I had enough cash to buy some more.
I know... that's a sign of an addict...
1. Macbook Air? How can you sell an ultra portable laptop that can't change batteries on the fly? Plus where's the ethernet jack? If I travel allot those two things are a deal breaker.
2. Apple TV, Great idea, now release it already!!! Plus, add the ability to loop video, that would make it a huge selling point for trade show use.
3. iPOd touch update $20? Lame. Should be free.
4. iPhone updates? Thanks for being free but whatever, nothing we need. We need cut and paste, syncing of notes (I lost mine twice when my 2 phone's had to be replaced) and open it up to developers already, they now how to make software people actually want, and they would save your snobby asses.
Apple just needs to listen to their customers and stop trying to change what we need based on design. The stock fell because nothing happened at Macworld.
1. Macbook Air? How can you sell an ultra portable laptop that can't change batteries on the fly? Plus where's the ethernet jack? If I travel allot those two things are a deal breaker.
2. Apple TV, Great idea, now release it already!!! Plus, add the ability to loop video, that would make it a huge selling point for trade show use.
3. iPOd touch update $20? Lame. Should be free.
4. iPhone updates? Thanks for being free but whatever, nothing we need. We need cut and paste, syncing of notes (I lost mine twice when my 2 phone's had to be replaced) and open it up to developers already, they now how to make software people actually want, and they would save your snobby asses.
1. Considering that the battery in the MBA lasts twice as long as other batteries, there is not a need to carry a backup. Ethernet jack? That defeats the whole purpose of calling it the MacBook Air. It is designed to be a completely wireless computer. If that's not what you want then there is always the MB and MBP.
2. Ummm.. didn't you hear the part where he said it will be released in two weeks?
3. It is free if you buy a new one.. If you already bought one, $20 is reasonable for five additional apps.
4. I agree about needing cut and paste, but this update was really about iTunes movie rentals and making room for new apps from third parties with the upcoming SDK release.
1. Considering that the battery in the MBA lasts twice as long as other batteries, there is not a need to carry a backup.
"Twice as long?" Really? 'Cuz most of the reviews that tested the batt life said to expect 3.5 to 4.5 hours for the MBAir. My iBook and my gfriend's MacBook both last nearly that long.
Ethernet jack? That defeats the whole purpose of calling it the MacBook Air.
Who cares about preserving the marketing speak? If the lack of a jack is a deal-breaker for a significant enough number of ppl, Apple should rectify that. We'll see how it goes.
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"Twice as long?" Really? 'Cuz most of the reviews that tested the batt life said to expect 3.5 to 4.5 hours for the MBAir. My iBook and my gfriend's MacBook both last nearly that long.
Who cares about preserving the marketing speak? If the lack of a jack is a deal-breaker for a significant enough number of ppl, Apple should rectify that. We'll see how it goes.
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The MBA battery lasts 2x as long as other ultraportables. Of course a full size battery in a full size notebook will last longer. But you have to compare Apples to Apples and when you do, you will see that most ultraportable notebooks batteries last appx 2 to 2.5 hours.
And I'm not preserving "Market Speak." The MBA is designed to be an ultra portable wireless computer, not a full featured notebook. There are other options available if you don't want a strictly wireless computer.
Comparing the specs of an ultra portable to a full size is pointless. They are different products for different purposes. When size and weight are a priority, you have to sacrifice some functionality.. I think that Apple did a fine job of finding a very useable balance of form and function with the Air.
Just to see how he actually sent it out. For the curious...
You'd almost think the stock market as a whole took a downturn, not just Apple. (Crazy thought.)
As far as I can tell, Apple was disprortionately hit.
The MBA battery lasts 2x as long as other ultraportables. Of course a full size battery in a full size notebook will last longer. But you have to compare Apples to Apples and when you do, you will see that most ultraportable notebooks batteries last appx 2 to 2.5 hours.
Sony TZ: 6+ hours.
Thinkpad X60: 6+ hours with wireless on, 10+ hours with low backlight/no wireless.
The MacBook Air is a little weaker on battery life than other ultraportables.
Sony TZ: 6+ hours.
Thinkpad X60: 6+ hours with wireless on, 10+ hours with low backlight/no wireless.
The MacBook Air is a little weaker on battery life than other ultraportables.
To be fair the TZ is a 11.1 in screen and a 1.2Ghz proc. If anything it appears a wash considering the much faster MBA proc and larger screen.
To be fair the TZ is a 11.1 in screen and a 1.2Ghz proc. If anything it appears a wash considering the much faster MBA proc and larger screen.
The Sony as reviewed also has a 32GB flash drive.
And I'm not preserving "Market Speak." The MBA is designed to be an ultra portable wireless computer, not a full featured notebook.
Not exactly... the MB Air is designed to be Apple's 'better alternative' to an ultraportable, it is not a true ultraportable itself.
If it were intended to be a true ultraportable, it wouldn't have the same footprint as a regular MacBook, which it does.
Another point on portability: Sure, there must be some afterthought doohickey you can buy which will let you plug into an Ethernet port (USB port adapter), but then that becomes one more thing to carry around, doesn't it? Not to mention the carry along external optical drive. Perhaps you don't watch DVDs on long train or plane rides, but I sure do.
At some point, there's too many things to carry along to make up for insufficient built-in functionality, and your 'portable' really isn't, anymore.
I really like the MB Air, but for its gorgeous design more than anything else. If I were a true day-in, day-out road warrior, I'd probably go with something else.
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If they don't fix the new Mac Pro's, the disabled Matshita drives, come out with new displays, and get Leopard up to par... then I think it's going to be a very rough year for Apple. Not the time to buy. Look at picking up APPL shares for $86 in Sept.
i'd like to see you put your money where your mouth is and go short aapl all the way down to $86, where you can reverse your position as it climbs back up.
Some of us are long-term by strategy. I'm long-term by necessity now.
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Not exactly... the MB Air is designed to be Apple's 'better alternative' to an ultraportable, it is not a true ultraportable itself.
If it were intended to be a true ultraportable, it wouldn't have the same footprint as a regular MacBook, which it does.
Another point on portability: Sure, there must be some afterthought doohickey you can buy which will let you plug into an Ethernet port (USB port adapter), but then that becomes one more thing to carry around, doesn't it? Not to mention the carry along external optical drive. Perhaps you don't watch DVDs on long train or plane rides, but I sure do.
At some point, there's too many things to carry along to make up for insufficient built-in functionality, and your 'portable' really isn't, anymore.
I really like the MB Air, but for its gorgeous design more than anything else. If I were a true day-in, day-out road warrior, I'd probably go with something else.
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What's stopping you from ripping your DVD to the hard drive first? The problem with those that want ultraportable meaning "small" is that they're ok with the smaller keyboard and screen. Frankly I'm more aligned with Apple in if you can deliver a 3lb notebook with a fullsized keyboard and popular monitor size that's more important than overall dimensions. The laptop is going to be in a bag or on your lap..I don't need it small I need it light.
The USB adapter is another device to carry around but let's be honest a candybar weighs more. The optical drive is another personal thing. Frankly I don't use the optical drive on my PC much so I probably wouldn't ante up for the external drive.
Now, my mind might change significantly if I see a nice Touch SDK next month and maybe a new model on the horizon. I've been amazed at how useful the darn thing is in the month I've owned it, and I could see the Touch and iPhone becoming a significant computing platform over the next year. But I don't have any confidence that Apple will shed the Not Invented Here syndrome and really do what's best with the SDK, and I suspect they'll just shovel more of the same developer crap with fancy marketing tied to it. The Mac's development environment leaves a LOT to be desired, and so I'm skeptical they'll do the iPod one right. (Why couldn't they have just adopted Java and had an instant army of already-trained developers and a top-notch free IDE? This is the sort of thing Java was DESIGNED for!)
Frankly I'm more aligned with Apple in if you can deliver a 3lb notebook with a fullsized keyboard and popular monitor size that's more important than overall dimensions. The laptop is going to be in a bag or on your lap... I don't need it small I need it light.
That is indeed the bet that Apple is making. We'll see if they're right.
Short-term, the launch orders will be great. But long-term, the worry is that the MBA will have only niche sales.
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I'm not too happy with the Mac Pro starting price. The iMac is a simplistic and handsome system but I'd be more happy if it eschewed mobile parts at the high end.
I'm looking forward to getting a Macbook. I'd love for the "black tax" to go away. I'm not using it for gaming so an X3100 graphics system is fine. I prefer the 13.3 size.
I'm actually in a situation where I have plenty of room (sadly not enough cash) to evolve my Mac setup. This years purchase will certainly bring a new Ipod in and a Apple TV. I'd love an iPhone but my job currently will only expense a Blackberry so hopefully by the end of my 2yr contract I'll be able to segue into a iPhone 3G with proper Exchange support.
By and large the problem right now with Apple pertains to blatant attempts by the media Empires to hobble Apple's success in music and video downloads. Apple cannot lose itself here. It's not their content and thus they will not be able to manufacture huge profits like homegrown content. In essence Apple's lack of ownership prevents them from "printing money" like they do with OS X.
Hopefully Apple delivers a unified iPhone SDK that allows for easy creation of iPhone and Touch apps. Lately Apple has been fine with developer tools. I don't see them working overtime to thwart the fringe iPhone developers jailbreaking the phones.
The Tech market is taking a beating and you're only as good as your last deal on Wall Street. By the end of the year I think we'll acknowledge that we had a recession yet the hope is that positive momentum is going to carry forward into 2009.
I find a lot of pessimism coming from Apple fans who someone have been fooled into thinking that life's been rosy for PC owners. I look forward to the day I can get rid of the junky old PCs I have at home. I entertain thoughts of building another PC for fun but then reality hits. Why? Vista isn't all that sexy and frankly I'd rather virtualize.
I myself have no overpowering interest in going PC. But its hard not to look over the fence at some of the facts of life on the PC side... you can get a very decent 15" notebook for far less than $2000, for example.
I'm not too happy with the Mac Pro starting price.
An Apple minitower would be a godsend, eh? $2800 for the MacPro is just crazy cuckoo bananas. Even $2300 for the downgraded model is.
I'm looking forward to getting a Macbook. I'd love for the "black tax" to go away. I'm not using it for gaming so an X3100 graphics system is fine. I prefer the 13.3 size.
We are so very different. I find the 13.3" screen small and the integrated graphics pathetic.
I'm actually in a situation where I have plenty of room (sadly not enough cash) to evolve my Mac setup. This years purchase will certainly bring a new Ipod in and a Apple TV. I'd love an iPhone but my job currently will only expense a Blackberry so hopefully by the end of my 2yr contract I'll be able to segue into a iPhone 3G with proper Exchange support.
I'll go iPhone too... once there's a 3G model and once ATT isn't the exclusive carrier (I guess unlocked on T-Mobile wouldn't be too bad, but Verizon is the best carrier where I live).
By and large the problem right now with Apple pertains to blatant attempts by the media Empires to hobble Apple's success in music and video downloads. Apple cannot lose itself here. It's not their content and thus they will not be able to manufacture huge profits like homegrown content. In essence Apple's lack of ownership prevents them from "printing money" like they do with OS X.
Hopefully Apple delivers a unified iPhone SDK that allows for easy creation of iPhone and Touch apps. Lately Apple has been fine with developer tools. I don't see them working overtime to thwart the fringe iPhone developers jailbreaking the phones.
The Tech market is taking a beating and you're only as good as your last deal on Wall Street. By the end of the year I think we'll acknowledge that we had a recession yet the hope is that positive momentum is going to carry forward into 2009.
Well said.
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