New 10.5.3 seed; custom Intel iMac chips, MacBook Air SSDs

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  • Reply 21 of 71
    zandroszandros Posts: 537member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    I think the Intel spokesperson that Electronista (allegedly) spoke to is ill-informed. Not only at issue here is the CPU, but also the motherboard chipset - Santa Rosa doesn't support 800 MHz RAM, and yet that is what the iMac is using.



    No, I'm sure that Apple have got their hands on the Montevina motherboard chipset, including upgraded Penryns.



    True. It seems odd to me that they would request and use a custom chip, when the Penryn X9100 (44W) was released just this monday,



    /Adrian
  • Reply 22 of 71
    Leopard previewed 2 years ago. Snow leopard will show this year and release winter 2009. When MS releases Windows 7 to laughs and tears, Apple will release Lion for the kill.
  • Reply 23 of 71
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zandros View Post


    True. It seems odd to me that they would request and use a custom chip, when the Penryn X9100 (44W) was released just this monday,



    Released where? To whom? Do you have a link?
  • Reply 24 of 71
    bwikbwik Posts: 565member
    Ballmer has taught me an amazing lesson in life through his wisdom.





    If I ever have a couple friends who have a genius for constructing moneymaking legal / industrial apparatus, JOIN them and HANG AROUND. Sooner or later, I will have a billion dollars from just farting and doing nothing. Then I can have a huge yacht or 4 or 7, plus luxury airplanes.
  • Reply 25 of 71
    mactelmactel Posts: 1,275member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BWhaler View Post


    Here's a little tidbit for you:



    10.6. Previewed at WWDC



    No way, you say? Too soon?



    The preview is coming.



    Seriously.





    Leopard is pretty good and I actually hope that Apple will slow down development a bit. Though I look forward to 10.5.3, I scratch my head at what whiz-bang features Apple can come up with to sell us on 10.6.



    I'd like Apple to instead focus more on the next major revisions of their supporting applications (i.e. Safari, Mail, iLife, iWork, etc). Mail is good but could be better as with all of Apple's products.



    I like to see Apple create their own financial package add-on to Numbers and maybe even a project management application to tie into iCal. iPhoto needs a big brother to combo with Aperture.
  • Reply 26 of 71
    bwhalerbwhaler Posts: 260member
    Imagine this:



    WWDC: Steve introduces the future of interfaces: touch. iPhone, a new device, and a preview of 10.6



    All Apple apps moving forward will leverage these metaphors.



    Beta in late fall.

    First of the new hardwae devices (non-portable) in January (e.g. "keyboards" with touch, etc.)

    iLife and iWork in January with new toucb features

    10.6 in Spring



    This is much, much faster than originally thought.



    But time will tell...
  • Reply 27 of 71
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Though the company made no changes to a list of twelve core evaluation areas in which developers should focus their testing efforts, it did tack on nearly two dozen addition bug fixes, bringing the total number of individual enhancements and code corrections expected as part of Mac OS X 10.5.3 to over 200.



    WOW. 200 fixes????? Leopard should be darned stable after this upgrade (we can hope). I remember when I thought 7 dozen fixes was HUGE for 10.4.11...



    can't wait.
  • Reply 28 of 71
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BWhaler View Post


    Imagine this:



    WWDC: Steve introduces the future of interfaces: touch. iPhone, a new device, and a preview of 10.6.



    Hmm.... Do the numbers add up? Leopard was released 26-OCT-2007. The first point release was 3 weeks later. The next one was 3 months later and 10.5.3 looks to be arriving about 3 months after 10.5.2. If Apple continues with the 3 month trend between point releases then the it will reach 10.5.9 after 18 months. But we know from Tiger that Apple will go into the double digits.



    10.6 in the Spring would be too early. The fall would be a solid 2 years, but even that is too soon, IMO. Tiger had a run of 2.5 years and the paid updates are getting futher and further apart as OS X matures.



    Unless Apple feels pressure from MS' next OS (which I don't think they will) they won't be previewing 10.6 until 2009 and releasing 10.6 until late 2010.
  • Reply 29 of 71
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    Originally Posted by MacTel View Post


    Leopard is pretty good and I actually hope that Apple will slow down development a bit. Though I look forward to 10.5.3, I scratch my head at what whiz-bang features Apple can come up with to sell us on 10.6.



    That's always true about new features. And I do feel like I'm paying for an upgrade a little TOO often (I guess I generalise iLife into OS upgrades too)



    The feature I'd like most is something I noticed a need for again yesterday... I want 2 things

    1) full online backup of all my Mac's data except movies - including .Mac web access to my email/calendars/notes/files.

    2) ultimate portability of my applications and data. Sit down at ANY Mac anywhere and just login as me - and have it give me my own home desktop, files, etc etc.



    #2 requires #1 really (but a less reliable system could use Back-to-my-Mac or iPod home directories... perhaps use all 3). Of course you'd have to pay a monthly fee for the online backup.



    To that end, I'd like to see Apple tie OS upgrades into .Mac subscriptions in some way. Perhaps the next release will give me the new OS (10.6) and online backup for $10/mth instead of $129 for OS, etc.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTel View Post


    I'd like Apple to instead focus more on the next major revisions of their supporting applications (i.e. Safari, Mail, iLife, iWork, etc). Mail is good but could be better as with all of Apple's products.



    Absolutely. So much good stuff going on there and so much more potential still.
  • Reply 30 of 71
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BWhaler View Post


    The reason why it is applicable to this thread is because Apple is trying very, very hard to wrap up Leopard bug fixing and put it in maintenance mode.



    These mega bug patches are not typical for Apple. Normally, they would have spread these fixes out over the year.



    Instead, there is a very hard push to move as many engineering resources over to the new scope, and solidify the base.





    That aside, is it obvious? Perhaps.



    But I don't think so. The conventional wisdom is this WWDC is going to be about the SDK and touch. What I am saying is while that is true, touch is going to meet the Mac in crazy new ways in 10.6. And that is going to be shown. No beta. Just previewed.



    Apple won't be wrapping up 10.5 for a good 18 or more months from now. They just have a lot of bugs to quash.



    We'll likely see some info about 10.6, but not too much specific detail. It's too early for that.



    But, yes, the SDK, and possibly the new phone will be the stars.



    Possibly we will even see a Nehalem Mac Pro for delivery a few weeks out. The chip is due in the forth quarter, but has been way ahead of schedule in the testing process. Intel may pull it forwards a bit.
  • Reply 31 of 71
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTel View Post


    Leopard is pretty good and I actually hope that Apple will slow down development a bit. Though I look forward to 10.5.3, I scratch my head at what whiz-bang features Apple can come up with to sell us on 10.6.



    I'd like Apple to instead focus more on the next major revisions of their supporting applications (i.e. Safari, Mail, iLife, iWork, etc). Mail is good but could be better as with all of Apple's products.



    I like to see Apple create their own financial package add-on to Numbers and maybe even a project management application to tie into iCal. iPhoto needs a big brother to combo with Aperture.



    It's slow enough now. Two to two and a half years is more than enough time between releases.
  • Reply 32 of 71
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Hmm.... Do the numbers add up? Leopard was released 26-OCT-2007. The first point release was 3 weeks later. The next one was 3 months later and 10.5.3 looks to be arriving about 3 months after 10.5.2. If Apple continues with the 3 month trend between point releases then the it will reach 10.5.9 after 18 months. But we know from Tiger that Apple will go into the double digits.



    The numbers don't add up, but they aren't supposed to. Jobs said after the Leopard release that he'd like to introduce major OS upgrades every year to 1.5 years. Tiger told us that Apple could go into double digits, not that they would. I'm betting that by WWDC next year, 10.6 will have shipped, and that timetable could very well be conservative



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Apple won't be wrapping up 10.5 for a good 18 or more months from now. They just have a lot of bugs to quash.



    They do have a lot of bugs to quash, but they are quashing them at an incredible pace. 10.5.1 took out a considerable number, 10.5.2 took out 150 bugs, and 10.5.3 will take out another 200. If they keep up this pace, 10.6 being launched sometime within a year from now is really within the realm of probability.
  • Reply 33 of 71
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hypoluxa View Post


    You really think so? This early in the game? Hmmmm Im a little skeptical I would think Apple would wait till at least next Jan to do an unveiling of "what is to come down the road in 10.6" I mean 10.5 was only just released in Oct. At the same time though you could be right.\



    ONLY 7 months ago. Thats more than a 3rd of the time between releases that Steve would like (given they slip to 18 months as opposed to 1 year) WWDC in June will be 9 months which is HALF WAY through the 18 months.



    I think iPhone and Touch SDK will dominate, but a preview is almost expected IMO
  • Reply 34 of 71
    Centrino isn't a chip. Centrino is a package of CPU and Chipset.

    The article refers to Centrino2 as a new chip.. it's not. It's an updated platform.



    As for 10.6, an earlier poster makes some assumptions which I believe are incorrect.



    Apple will talk about 10.6 at WWDC. They can't do a WWDC without letting us know where the platform is going.

    I don't, however, believe that there will be much meat to 10.6 at WWDC. For the most part, the APIs don't change or at least don't change much. 10.6 will introduce a new thing here or there.. I suspect, for example, there may be some new stuff in the Accelerate framework to go with the SSE4 extensions in the new CPUs.



    I would suggest the large updates are NOT indicative of Apple pushing the upgrade cycle. The size and breadth of these updates is unusual (one after another) but Leopard was extremely buggy when it was released. Probably the biggest issue, in my opinion, is the new Directory Services architecture. It was basically broken when Leopard shipped. It still isn't fully functional for a lot of Enterprise customers [like me].



    Apple did release a preview Leopard two WWDCs before it's release but Leopard was released half a year late. The preview was supposed to ship with only one WWDC between the Dev Preview and release.
  • Reply 35 of 71
    the only reason I would want to see a preview of 10.6 is if it showed an update to .mac which is pitiful. there is no chance apple is getting my cash for a renewal unless the beef it up. I paid for IMAP mail (free now with gmail), idisc storage cheaper through amazon and good cheap competition with sugarsync to sync it, the .mac gallery is nice, but slowwwwwwwww, no reason I can't use picassa for that.... and the .mac web mail tool is awful. logging me out every 5 minutes, terrible slow interface.... I think .mac is the place apple could use the most improvement right now.
  • Reply 36 of 71
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by federmoose View Post


    The numbers don't add up, but they aren't supposed to. Jobs said after the Leopard release that he'd like to introduce major OS upgrades every year to 1.5 years. Tiger told us that Apple could go into double digits, not that they would. I'm betting that by WWDC next year, 10.6 will have shipped, and that timetable could very well be conservative







    They do have a lot of bugs to quash, but they are quashing them at an incredible pace. 10.5.1 took out a considerable number, 10.5.2 took out 150 bugs, and 10.5.3 will take out another 200. If they keep up this pace, 10.6 being launched sometime within a year from now is really within the realm of probability.



    After the release of Panther, Jobs said that they would be slowing their developent cycle down. We've seen that happen. Around two years for Tiger, and about two and a half for Leopard.



    If they speed development up again, it would mean that the future upgrades would be less significant. If that would be the case, I'd rather they stayed on the slowed schedule.
  • Reply 37 of 71
    gustavgustav Posts: 827member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gigi View Post


    Did that mean it's not the peryn chip?



    Did that mean it's not at 45 nm ?



    Darn. Now I'm going to have to clean off more desk space for those extra nm!
  • Reply 38 of 71
    elrothelroth Posts: 1,201member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amac4me View Post


    The TDP or thermal design power of the "special" chip is spec'd at 55 watts. That's much higher than the other chips available for the iMac. I wonder how loud the new top-of-line iMac is.



    What is the TDP of the last generation of iMacs (like the 2.8 GHz Extreme)? Is this an increase in power consumption?
  • Reply 39 of 71
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,419member
    Re: 10.6



    The most logical thing for Apple to do is this.





    1. Christen OS X 10.6 with a name (Lion, Ocelot, Big Fucking Cat ...whatever)



    2. For WWDC focus on the APIs that developers need to know are changing the most (i.e the today's most problematic.



    3. Divulge at least One knew API that gets the properllerheads whirring.



    4. Macworld SF 2009- hype 10.6 with additional "marketable features" ...Sparta List II (300 features).



    WWDC 2009 go indepth for the new features announced and API improvements.



    This is provided Apple will do another fall delivery.
  • Reply 40 of 71
    cubertcubert Posts: 728member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    After the release of Panther, Jobs said that they would be slowing their developent cycle down. We've seen that happen. Around two years for Tiger, and about two and a half for Leopard.



    If they speed development up again, it would mean that the future upgrades would be less significant. If that would be the case, I'd rather they stayed on the slowed schedule.





    But, Steve said after Leopard's release that he wasn't happy with that long of a release cycle and wants to move back to an 18 - 24 month release cycle. That being said, I disagree with this preview of 10.6 at WWDC talk. I think it is more likely to be shown at MacWorld.



    Also, someone above said Leopard was previewed at 2 WWDC's. I think the author meant MacWorld and then WWDC (2007 for both).
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