According to people familiar with the matter, Mac OS X 10.5.3 build 9D29 released privately on Wednesday saw 802.1X and Sync Services technologies tacked on to a list of areas in which developers should focus their evaluation efforts.
THANK GOODNESS!
My Australian college uses 802.1X WEP technology, and my Mac is woeful to say the least with the 802.1X authentication to receive the IP Address.
If Apple is targeting a bug fix here, I hope that they notice any other problems, so that even if it wasn't the original fix, they notice and rectify my issue
If you are an ATT iPhone subscriber you are given access to the regular ATT wifi as part of your iPhone data plan, not a special ATT wifi setup. If you are not an ATT iPhone data plan customer but have an iPhone you would be SOL.
just was at Starbucks and I was directed to the regular ATT sign in, NO iPhone page to enter as has been previously shown. And yes, I have the ATT data plan and am a regular ATT iPhone subscriber. My guess is that while ATT has the info on their website they have not made an official announcement and have not implemented this program nationwide yet.
I have to think that ATT will put out a press release and fire up the marketing engines when this is fully rolled out.
Oh for Pete's sake, get a clue. Leopard 10.5.2 is extremely stable for the vast majority of users with little or no deal-killing issues.
Umm... you're not using Macs bound to Active Directory, are you?
It used to work beautifully in Tiger and it's largely broken in Leopard. Until that's fixed, nobody where I work can upgrade from Tiger. Apple's been sitting on their thumb on that one and yes, it's definitely a "deal-killing issue."
It is good that it seems they are trying to recover the situation after a few dud updates - 10.5.2 broke a few things as did the Leopard Graphics Update (Excel lockups for one), and then the Boot Camp update was released and that made at least Vista 32 less reliable (brought it down to Leopard's level) with wake from sleep issues and sound issues.
However, I find it annoying that Apple feels the need to package 250+ bug fixes before they release any of them to us - and most annoying that they are now widening the tester focus again, now, in May, when the update was reportedly imminent in early March.
However, I find it annoying that Apple feels the need to package 250+ bug fixes before they release any of them to us - and most annoying that they are now widening the tester focus again, now, in May, when the update was reportedly imminent in early March.
We get OS X point updates every few months. That is pretty damn good. Windows XP is just getting SP3 after 7 years.
... and most annoying that they are now widening the tester focus again, now, in May, when the update was reportedly imminent in early March.
Don't give us that! Absolutely nothing was imminent in March. Just because you read some scuzzy, click-through-whore-of-a-blog that claimed a release was imminent when not even a single beta had been seeded to developers.
DiskWarrior is good. Apple should simply buy them out and incorporate their basic software in the OS for self-repair.
That would mean that they would have to quit using Prosoft's Drive Genius at all of the Apple Genius Bars, and other places where Apple fixes drive issues. But wait!Prosoft software has issues under Leopard, now doesn't it. Next week will be a month since Prosoft said that 10.5. 3 was imminent, fixing those issues. I don't think it's Prosoft holding things up!
Yes, all OSen get updates and fixes, but please tell me of another OS X version that was as plagued with issues as Leopard upon it's initial release. The tell me it wasn't because Apple used their people to get the iPhone to market, mostly the same people that would have smoothed out OS 10.5, if they would have been working on it.
Is this standalone copies of Vista or does it include bundled copies? If it includes bundled copies, companies like Dell are now charging more to buy XP so are basically forcing you to use Vista so an increase is inevitable.
They are two different markets. Each Leopard sale was initially $129 in revenue and now between $1,200-$1,400 in revenue (along with a hardware sale, of course) while most Vista sales are @$50 for each OEM copy ... meaning, of course that each 60-70 sales of Vista are required to match 1 sale of Leopard in revenue - again, not better or worse but DIFFERENT. Vista is the "included" OS when you buy a $399 PC, nothing more, nothing less - MS' problem is getting someone to value their OS as worth more in revenue & mindset other than, "I'll take it if it's included." How many of MS' 600 million XP users are willingly paying $200 for the upgrade? That is the only apples to apples comparison (in mre ways than one).
There are also two other reasons why it's not much of a comparison - MS counts 'shipped' and 'presumed shipped' as sold since OEM's pay them upfront per quarter guessing how many licenses they need - which MS immediately counts as 'sold' so anything that has left the factory and orim ght leave the factory is counted as sold according to MS press releases.
There is a new wrinkle in that now Ms is making OEM's count everything as a Vista sale even if people "downgrade" to XP on that order since to them, you're paying for Vista, it counts as 1 sold, who cares what you actually run ...
Just like MS says XBox is profitable this quarter, ignore the $15 BILLION the division is in the red ... for a company who sells a thing that requires accuracy to the 100th decimel point, they are pretty casual with numbers ....
I 100% agree! Just because someone needs a new computer, and doesn't have the insight (or perhaps the funds) to buy a Mac, which happens to have Vista on it because MS stopped supporting XP, doesn't mean that they necessarily purposefully bought Vista. As was said, most people dread using it or revert back to XP. Unless of course their knowledge of computers is limited in which case it doesn't make a cotton pickn' difference what OS they just got. All they realized is click here and here and the little arrow thingy shops eBay for them. Microsoft is really getting desperate to keep their share in the OS market, which OS X and Linux is quickly starting to mop up. Most of us hated XP, until Vista came out and all of the sudden XP is heaven sent. Vista is strangely reminiscent of Windows ME. Crap, crap and more crap. BUY A MAC PEOPLE!!!
Don't give us that! Absolutely nothing was imminent in March. Just because you read some scuzzy, click-through-whore-of-a-blog that claimed a release was imminent when not even a single beta had been seeded to developers.
Hence the word 'reportedly'. Just like MacBooks and MacBook Pros were 'reportedly' going to be updated again two days ago. Just like a lot of stuff where we are right now. I know
With the widespread issues with 10.5.2 it really should have been earlier.
And as I was saying, XP may only have had 3 service packs in 7 years, but it has had a rather massive number of bug and other fixes in a fashion that would be preferable at this point to large, infrequent updates that break things. Here's hoping this one won't.
All this angry defence of how long it's taking is a little annoying.
We get OS X point updates every few months. That is pretty damn good. Windows XP is just getting SP3 after 7 years.
Except that Service Packs are typically like Apple's point updates, with all the fixes rolled into a single packpage, in contrast to using Windows Update to download every update, one by one.
Even setting up a new XP SP2 PC, will cause about 50-80 updates to be downloaded - that's where SP3 comes in. But on the same hand, MS continuously rolls out patches, whereas Apple waits until they feel like it...
I don't use XP anymore though - Vista (Home Premium and Business), Windows 2003, Kubutu and Leopard. I put Vista and Leopard about on par for most things, which each having advantages in others, like OSX for photos, and for general home use, Windows for Office and Visual Studio.
But lately, I've been using Kubuntu 8.04, and happy that it's working well on my laptop, along with Win2k3 and Vista HP.
Hence the word 'reportedly'. Just like MacBooks and MacBook Pros were 'reportedly' going to be updated again two days ago. Just like a lot of stuff where we are right now. I know
With the widespread issues with 10.5.2 it really should have been earlier.
And as I was saying, XP may only have had 3 service packs in 7 years, but it has had a rather massive number of bug and other fixes in a fashion that would be preferable at this point to large, infrequent updates that break things. Here's hoping this one won't.
All this angry defence of how long it's taking is a little annoying.
Careful what "reports" you believe. If you believe every blog, then you know iPhone production was scaled back last summer. Sorry if the rest of us weren't so gullible.
I agree it would have been nice for Leopard to have had fewer bugs upon initial release, but even now Leopard is only 5+ months old. Think back to the myriad problems Microsoft has had with its major OS releases and incremental updates. Arguably Leopard is still miles ahead for the vast majority of Apple's customers and oh, my, is it easier to use.
Careful what "reports" you believe. If you believe every blog, then you know iPhone production was scaled back last summer. Sorry if the rest of us weren't so gullible.
I agree it would have been nice for Leopard to have had fewer bugs upon initial release, but even now Leopard is only 5+ months old. Think back to the myriad problems Microsoft has had with its major OS releases and incremental updates. Arguably Leopard is still miles ahead for the vast majority of Apple's customers and oh, my, is it easier to use.
Yes, because of course I believed it . And the iPhone hasn't even made it over here yet so I could care less about those stories.
I may have only just started using Vista, but I can say it has been an awful lot more reliable than Leopard on this machine so far ... and it is certainly not difficult to use.
Hence the word 'reportedly'. Just like MacBooks and MacBook Pros were 'reportedly' going to be updated again two days ago. Just like a lot of stuff where we are right now. I know
With the widespread issues with 10.5.2 it really should have been earlier.
And as I was saying, XP may only have had 3 service packs in 7 years, but it has had a rather massive number of bug and other fixes in a fashion that would be preferable at this point to large, infrequent updates that break things. Here's hoping this one won't.
All this angry defence of how long it's taking is a little annoying.
All these angry claims that leopard was broken from the start are really annoying!
I have been using leopard since day 1 and have not had one single problem, every update has made everything better eachtime,not worse, and as I said I have not had any problems on 2 Macs.
G5 Imac from 3 years ago and brand new 20 inch iMac for work
From my preference, Vista is Windows Me II. If MSoft would just rename it as that, the IT community will be peaceful.
Yeah, I agree Vista Ultimate is a complete scam, the Dreamscene (useless but its still a feature) function has now been removed from Ultimate cause MSoft decide not to support it.
I am an Windows convert!!!! Got my MBP for a week already and its almost perfect!!!. I bring it to class everyday to record lectures and to type notes. Works like a champ.
Leopard will be a year old before they get the bugs out of it, at this rate. It looks like another iPhone release has taken away the OS technology force, once again. (
I get sick of these complaints, go build your own OS.
Of all the GUI operating systems out there OS X has (for at least 3 versions now) long been the most stable & robust GUI environment. In all fairness it isn't the most stable Unix environment of any Unix OS out there but it is certainly not the mess you winers make it out to be.
To Apple's Credit it has also been a challenging road as each version has worked to mold the original NEXT core into a fully Unix compliant OS that is one of only 4 Unix environments to receive the SUS certification (other 3 are HP, IBM, & SUN).
Also take into account their willingness to implement many new open-source technologies that make integration with other OSes (especially Windows) more seamless & painless. Some of these technologies are not tried & true, & sometimes they are forced to drop previous features to approach interoperability in a new & more compatible way.
Code correction is & should be ongoing & never-ending. If we reached a point where Leopard never needed another update again it would tell me they have stopped trying to keep up with new technologies & features. This dream of a flawless OS that never needs updates or code correction & never ever crashes or corrupts is a pipe dream!
In the end you need to know & understand that sometimes there will be issues, & you should never let yourself become jaded by these silly utopian like technology commercials that companies like to throw out there. Nothing good in life is free & the best things are achieved through trial & determination.
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According to people familiar with the matter, Mac OS X 10.5.3 build 9D29 released privately on Wednesday saw 802.1X and Sync Services technologies tacked on to a list of areas in which developers should focus their evaluation efforts.
THANK GOODNESS!
My Australian college uses 802.1X WEP technology, and my Mac is woeful to say the least with the 802.1X authentication to receive the IP Address.
If Apple is targeting a bug fix here, I hope that they notice any other problems, so that even if it wasn't the original fix, they notice and rectify my issue
If you are an ATT iPhone subscriber you are given access to the regular ATT wifi as part of your iPhone data plan, not a special ATT wifi setup. If you are not an ATT iPhone data plan customer but have an iPhone you would be SOL.
just was at Starbucks and I was directed to the regular ATT sign in, NO iPhone page to enter as has been previously shown. And yes, I have the ATT data plan and am a regular ATT iPhone subscriber. My guess is that while ATT has the info on their website they have not made an official announcement and have not implemented this program nationwide yet.
I have to think that ATT will put out a press release and fire up the marketing engines when this is fully rolled out.
Oh for Pete's sake, get a clue. Leopard 10.5.2 is extremely stable for the vast majority of users with little or no deal-killing issues.
Umm... you're not using Macs bound to Active Directory, are you?
It used to work beautifully in Tiger and it's largely broken in Leopard. Until that's fixed, nobody where I work can upgrade from Tiger. Apple's been sitting on their thumb on that one and yes, it's definitely a "deal-killing issue."
However, I find it annoying that Apple feels the need to package 250+ bug fixes before they release any of them to us - and most annoying that they are now widening the tester focus again, now, in May, when the update was reportedly imminent in early March.
However, I find it annoying that Apple feels the need to package 250+ bug fixes before they release any of them to us - and most annoying that they are now widening the tester focus again, now, in May, when the update was reportedly imminent in early March.
We get OS X point updates every few months. That is pretty damn good. Windows XP is just getting SP3 after 7 years.
... and most annoying that they are now widening the tester focus again, now, in May, when the update was reportedly imminent in early March.
Don't give us that! Absolutely nothing was imminent in March. Just because you read some scuzzy, click-through-whore-of-a-blog that claimed a release was imminent when not even a single beta had been seeded to developers.
Windows XP is just getting SP3 after 7 years.
That's because of the superior XP design.
DiskWarrior is good. Apple should simply buy them out and incorporate their basic software in the OS for self-repair.
That would mean that they would have to quit using Prosoft's Drive Genius at all of the Apple Genius Bars, and other places where Apple fixes drive issues. But wait!Prosoft software has issues under Leopard, now doesn't it. Next week will be a month since Prosoft said that 10.5. 3 was imminent, fixing those issues. I don't think it's Prosoft holding things up!
Yes, all OSen get updates and fixes, but please tell me of another OS X version that was as plagued with issues as Leopard upon it's initial release. The tell me it wasn't because Apple used their people to get the iPhone to market, mostly the same people that would have smoothed out OS 10.5, if they would have been working on it.
They are two different markets. Each Leopard sale was initially $129 in revenue and now between $1,200-$1,400 in revenue (along with a hardware sale, of course) while most Vista sales are @$50 for each OEM copy ... meaning, of course that each 60-70 sales of Vista are required to match 1 sale of Leopard in revenue - again, not better or worse but DIFFERENT. Vista is the "included" OS when you buy a $399 PC, nothing more, nothing less - MS' problem is getting someone to value their OS as worth more in revenue & mindset other than, "I'll take it if it's included." How many of MS' 600 million XP users are willingly paying $200 for the upgrade? That is the only apples to apples comparison (in mre ways than one).
There are also two other reasons why it's not much of a comparison - MS counts 'shipped' and 'presumed shipped' as sold since OEM's pay them upfront per quarter guessing how many licenses they need - which MS immediately counts as 'sold' so anything that has left the factory and orim ght leave the factory is counted as sold according to MS press releases.
There is a new wrinkle in that now Ms is making OEM's count everything as a Vista sale even if people "downgrade" to XP on that order since to them, you're paying for Vista, it counts as 1 sold, who cares what you actually run ...
Just like MS says XBox is profitable this quarter, ignore the $15 BILLION the division is in the red ... for a company who sells a thing that requires accuracy to the 100th decimel point, they are pretty casual with numbers ....
I 100% agree! Just because someone needs a new computer, and doesn't have the insight (or perhaps the funds) to buy a Mac, which happens to have Vista on it because MS stopped supporting XP, doesn't mean that they necessarily purposefully bought Vista.
Don't give us that! Absolutely nothing was imminent in March. Just because you read some scuzzy, click-through-whore-of-a-blog that claimed a release was imminent when not even a single beta had been seeded to developers.
Hence the word 'reportedly'. Just like MacBooks and MacBook Pros were 'reportedly' going to be updated again two days ago. Just like a lot of stuff where we are right now. I know
With the widespread issues with 10.5.2 it really should have been earlier.
And as I was saying, XP may only have had 3 service packs in 7 years, but it has had a rather massive number of bug and other fixes in a fashion that would be preferable at this point to large, infrequent updates that break things. Here's hoping this one won't.
All this angry defence of how long it's taking is a little annoying.
We get OS X point updates every few months. That is pretty damn good. Windows XP is just getting SP3 after 7 years.
Except that Service Packs are typically like Apple's point updates, with all the fixes rolled into a single packpage, in contrast to using Windows Update to download every update, one by one.
Even setting up a new XP SP2 PC, will cause about 50-80 updates to be downloaded - that's where SP3 comes in. But on the same hand, MS continuously rolls out patches, whereas Apple waits until they feel like it...
I don't use XP anymore though - Vista (Home Premium and Business), Windows 2003, Kubutu and Leopard. I put Vista and Leopard about on par for most things, which each having advantages in others, like OSX for photos, and for general home use, Windows for Office and Visual Studio.
But lately, I've been using Kubuntu 8.04, and happy that it's working well on my laptop, along with Win2k3 and Vista HP.
Hence the word 'reportedly'. Just like MacBooks and MacBook Pros were 'reportedly' going to be updated again two days ago. Just like a lot of stuff where we are right now. I know
With the widespread issues with 10.5.2 it really should have been earlier.
And as I was saying, XP may only have had 3 service packs in 7 years, but it has had a rather massive number of bug and other fixes in a fashion that would be preferable at this point to large, infrequent updates that break things. Here's hoping this one won't.
All this angry defence of how long it's taking is a little annoying.
Careful what "reports" you believe. If you believe every blog, then you know iPhone production was scaled back last summer.
I agree it would have been nice for Leopard to have had fewer bugs upon initial release, but even now Leopard is only 5+ months old. Think back to the myriad problems Microsoft has had with its major OS releases and incremental updates. Arguably Leopard is still miles ahead for the vast majority of Apple's customers and oh, my, is it easier to use.
Careful what "reports" you believe. If you believe every blog, then you know iPhone production was scaled back last summer.
I agree it would have been nice for Leopard to have had fewer bugs upon initial release, but even now Leopard is only 5+ months old. Think back to the myriad problems Microsoft has had with its major OS releases and incremental updates. Arguably Leopard is still miles ahead for the vast majority of Apple's customers and oh, my, is it easier to use.
Yes, because of course I believed it
I may have only just started using Vista, but I can say it has been an awful lot more reliable than Leopard on this machine so far ... and it is certainly not difficult to use.
Enough.
Hence the word 'reportedly'. Just like MacBooks and MacBook Pros were 'reportedly' going to be updated again two days ago. Just like a lot of stuff where we are right now. I know
With the widespread issues with 10.5.2 it really should have been earlier.
And as I was saying, XP may only have had 3 service packs in 7 years, but it has had a rather massive number of bug and other fixes in a fashion that would be preferable at this point to large, infrequent updates that break things. Here's hoping this one won't.
All this angry defence of how long it's taking is a little annoying.
All these angry claims that leopard was broken from the start are really annoying!
I have been using leopard since day 1 and have not had one single problem, every update has made everything better eachtime,not worse, and as I said I have not had any problems on 2 Macs.
G5 Imac from 3 years ago and brand new 20 inch iMac for work
Yeah, I agree Vista Ultimate is a complete scam, the Dreamscene (useless but its still a feature) function has now been removed from Ultimate cause MSoft decide not to support it.
I am an Windows convert!!!! Got my MBP for a week already and its almost perfect!!!. I bring it to class everyday to record lectures and to type notes. Works like a champ.
Oh yeah what is 802.1X? I only know 802.11a/b/g/n
Oh yeah what is 802.1X? I only know 802.11a/b/g/n
It's authentication to control access to networks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.1x
802.11a/b/g/n are the base-band technologies concerned with how you physically achieve a network.
Also do they count the number of copies shipped on PC which are then wiped off and replaced by windows XP by the IT department?
Leopard will be a year old before they get the bugs out of it, at this rate. It looks like another iPhone release has taken away the OS technology force, once again.
I get sick of these complaints, go build your own OS.
Of all the GUI operating systems out there OS X has (for at least 3 versions now) long been the most stable & robust GUI environment. In all fairness it isn't the most stable Unix environment of any Unix OS out there but it is certainly not the mess you winers make it out to be.
To Apple's Credit it has also been a challenging road as each version has worked to mold the original NEXT core into a fully Unix compliant OS that is one of only 4 Unix environments to receive the SUS certification (other 3 are HP, IBM, & SUN).
Also take into account their willingness to implement many new open-source technologies that make integration with other OSes (especially Windows) more seamless & painless. Some of these technologies are not tried & true, & sometimes they are forced to drop previous features to approach interoperability in a new & more compatible way.
Code correction is & should be ongoing & never-ending. If we reached a point where Leopard never needed another update again it would tell me they have stopped trying to keep up with new technologies & features. This dream of a flawless OS that never needs updates or code correction & never ever crashes or corrupts is a pipe dream!
In the end you need to know & understand that sometimes there will be issues, & you should never let yourself become jaded by these silly utopian like technology commercials that companies like to throw out there. Nothing good in life is free & the best things are achieved through trial & determination.