face it, Apple is trying to cheat you guys. They even charge you for customer service after 3 months, and I know that Apple customer service is good. ...
So you call only selling 1 million computers "selling like hotcakes," that's only 1/300 of America's population.
Oh Snap
More seriously, why do you care what we do with our money? Are you a major shareholder in Dell and MS, embarking on some kind of grass-roots campaign to drive their stock prices higher?
More seriously, why do you care what we do with our money? Are you a major shareholder in Dell and MS, embarking on some kind of grass-roots campaign to drive their stock prices higher?
Which company has never lied or exaggerated to sell a product?
Which company has never laid off workers?
Which company has never kept a product secret until the day of launch?
those last two questions are irrelevant, (not that I'm scared to answer them or anything) but i know of companies that have never lied, but they have exaggerated from time to time. I like Alienwear, HP, Dell, IBM, Microsoft (Microsoft has a computer selling btw, you can see it on IronMan), Sun is okay, and there other companies too.
those last two questions are irrelevant, (not that I'm scared to answer them or anything) but i know of companies that have never lied, but they have exaggerated from time to time. I like Alienwear, HP, Dell, IBM, Microsoft (Microsoft has a computer selling btw, you can see it on IronMan), Sun is okay, and there other companies too.
IBM doesn't sell PCs anymore. Most of IBM's revenue comes from solutions consulting ... and it always has. Sun is also getting out of the hardware game, and it's almost certain that anyone your age who has used a SPARC box has done so at a museum.
In making PC's, Alienware (owned by Dell), Dell, and HP all use the same basic parts that Apple uses. The added price of a comparable Apple system is a luxury fee, yes, but as long as Dell and HP continue to make PC's, you'll have the choice to avoid it.
For the interest of the viewers, here's a stock chart comparing the companies above over the last five years. Obviously, people who matter to business (i.e. people with money) are happy that Apple is taking the strategy they have. Link Note the non-linearity of the scale.
IBM doesn't sell PCs anymore. Most of IBM's revenue comes from solutions consulting ... and it always has. Sun is also getting out of the hardware game, and it's almost certain that anyone your age who has used a SPARC box has done so at a museum.
In making PC's, Alienware (owned by Dell), Dell, and HP all use the same basic parts that Apple uses. The added price of a comparable Apple system is a luxury fee, yes, but as long as Dell and HP continue to make PC's, you'll have the choice to avoid it.
For the interest of the viewers, here's a stock chart comparing the companies above over the last five years. Obviously, people who matter to business (i.e. people with money) are happy that Apple is taking the strategy they have. Link Note the non-linearity of the scale.
I know that Sun is getting out of the Hardware game and yes I know that AlienWear is owned by Dell. Those charts are just a matter of Ratio. iMac is being sold at a higher price, and Apple company is not in "Expansion Mode" such as Dell, Microsoft, and HP. Those charts are misleading, If you put all the companies together that make PC's, then you will get mammoth results.
Also, PCs don't only have the "basic parts" of a Mac. The AlienWear PCs have more sophisticated graphics cards along with HP and "I Need Power" (if that's the companies name).
Does anyone else think that iMacs are aesthetically unpleasant? I think they look horrible.
I much prefer a Mini and display with symmetric trim round the edges. I have to look at iMacs almost every day of my life and I hate it because I'm reminded that some idiot somewhere decided that minority sales work better on novelty value rather than practicality.
Having that big ugly Apple logo staring at you and the camera always pointing in your face. Then you've got the reflections on the new one as well as the black border on the screen.
I can but dream of a day when a keynote comes round and they bury the iMac like they did with OS 9. Then they make a Mini double the height with a good GPU and a 3.5" drive and you've got the iMac in a nice little box.
Then the lineup becomes Mac, Mac Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro. The wording is perfect and the Mac is just the Mac for everyone as it suits most needs.
And how many complaints will there be that there isn't an AIO model that forces you to be stuck with one display? None. Not a single complaint, just like there aren't any complaints now from PC users who don't have to suffer that limiting design. PC users who can go out and buy a sub-£1000 machine with a Geforce GPU and stick a 17" display on it if they want. But no, you want a Mac with a good GPU, well here's a giant 24" shiny screen stuck to it with a hard drive you can't get access to, that'll be £1500.
But wait, you don't want a display stuck to it, that's ok we sell a tower with a geforce card. That'll be £1500 for our 2-ton workstation.
I don't mind the ipods, iphones, laptops and even the Mac Pro because they fit their markets perfectly. The iMac tries to change one market into another forcefully at the customer's expense.
If you only look at hardware, yes, Macs have a premium.
If you look at the bundled apps that all work together (photos from iPhoto show up in iMovie, etc) and have a similar look and feel and intuitiveness about them, you start getting a better value with the Mac.
Couple that with a single store to return to or phone number to call if you have any problems, and you get a pretty darned good package.
Sure, there are improvements that need to be made (and I feel strongly about one or two of them), but all in all you get a very good package in a Mac, not to mention a very capable one.
About forcing customers... the customers have a choice. If they don't like it, they don't have to buy it. That the iMac is selling as well as it is suggests that the customers are buying it and most are happy with it.
There is also the statistic about the Apple Stores (physical) that shows a large percentage of their sales go to first time Mac buyers, and they are often buying iMacs.
Having used computers for the past 30 years (yep, I'm an old-timer), I find iMacs the best over-all package for almost any user, especially newbies who are looking to create stuff fast without a steep learning curve. Pro apps are also available.
Does anyone else think that iMacs are aesthetically unpleasant? I think they look horrible.
I much prefer a Mini and display with symmetric trim round the edges. I have to look at iMacs almost every day of my life and I hate it because I'm reminded that some idiot somewhere decided that minority sales work better on novelty value rather than practicality.
Having that big ugly Apple logo staring at you and the camera always pointing in your face. Then you've got the reflections on the new one as well as the black border on the screen.
I can but dream of a day when a keynote comes round and they bury the iMac like they did with OS 9. Then they make a Mini double the height with a good GPU and a 3.5" drive and you've got the iMac in a nice little box.
Then the lineup becomes Mac, Mac Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro. The wording is perfect and the Mac is just the Mac for everyone as it suits most needs.
And how many complaints will there be that there isn't an AIO model that forces you to be stuck with one display? None. Not a single complaint, just like there aren't any complaints now from PC users who don't have to suffer that limiting design. PC users who can go out and buy a sub-£1000 machine with a Geforce GPU and stick a 17" display on it if they want. But no, you want a Mac with a good GPU, well here's a giant 24" shiny screen stuck to it with a hard drive you can't get access to, that'll be £1500.
What
But wait, you don't want a display stuck to it, that's ok we sell a tower with a geforce card. That'll be £1500 for our 2-ton workstation.
I don't mind the ipods, iphones, laptops and even the Mac Pro because they fit their markets perfectly. The iMac tries to change one market into another forcefully at the customer's expense.
What you just said about iMacs looking terrible tells me that you are just trying to save face in this conversation. Anyways, I bought an HP computer that is better than an iMac, and it was only 500$. Take a look at the iMac, it's being sold for 1,500$, total ripoff. Anyways, Zunes are better than iPods, iPods are just another way to get rid of money quickly.
If you only look at hardware, yes, Macs have a premium.
If you look at the bundled apps that all work together (photos from iPhoto show up in iMovie, etc) and have a similar look and feel and intuitiveness about them, you start getting a better value with the Mac.
Couple that with a single store to return to or phone number to call if you have any problems, and you get a pretty darned good package.
Sure, there are improvements that need to be made (and I feel strongly about one or two of them), but all in all you get a very good package in a Mac, not to mention a very capable one.
About forcing customers... the customers have a choice. If they don't like it, they don't have to buy it. That the iMac is selling as well as it is suggests that the customers are buying it and most are happy with it.
There is also the statistic about the Apple Stores (physical) that shows a large percentage of their sales go to first time Mac buyers, and they are often buying iMacs.
Having used computers for the past 30 years (yep, I'm an old-timer), I find iMacs the best over-all package for almost any user, especially newbies who are looking to create stuff fast without a steep learning curve. Pro apps are also available.
Just because you have been using computers for 30 years does not mean you are an expert, anywho, I never said that the customers were being forced, I was implying "mislead," anyone could figure that out
And we're actually having an extended conversation with a witless troll because?
Stop this horror show and lock it. The next person besides the witless troll (who can't be expected to know any better, being entirely and utterly witless) who posts in this thread has to deal with Guybrush Threepwood's sister.
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face it, Apple is trying to cheat you guys. They even charge you for customer service after 3 months, and I know that Apple customer service is good. ...
So you call only selling 1 million computers "selling like hotcakes," that's only 1/300 of America's population.
Oh Snap
More seriously, why do you care what we do with our money? Are you a major shareholder in Dell and MS, embarking on some kind of grass-roots campaign to drive their stock prices higher?
With your trash talking, which company/ies do you like or not lying?
like or not lying? add some words in there to make some sense
Welcome to my ignore list.
Wow, that just really hurts me. It's like a bullet through my heart. Ow!
But aren't they saying something when they give you an 'unviable argument'?
Edit: Those single quotes are just for you midwinter...
GAH!!! Why you make my head asplode??
like or not lying? add some words in there to make some sense
Ok...
Which company do you like?
Which company has never lied or exaggerated to sell a product?
Which company has never laid off workers?
Which company has never kept a product secret until the day of launch?
apple is gay, and so is this website.
Liste, techwizz, there is another thread u might like to check out, lolsters, it is here http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=86818
we could be freinds in this thread lobsters, because we both agree that apple is carp, and website-forums about apple are carp too.
come and be my friend!
i'm with teckwiz007 lol
apple is gay, and so is this website.
Liste, techwizz, there is another thread u might like to check out, lolsters, it is here http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=86818
we could be freinds in this thread lobsters, because we both agree that apple is carp, and website-forums about apple are carp too.
come and be my friend!
I dunno, teckwiz007, sounds fishy.
I dunno, teckwiz007, sounds fishy.
I don't like that it's spelled without the letter "h." H-aversion, maybe?
Oh Snap
More seriously, why do you care what we do with our money? Are you a major shareholder in Dell and MS, embarking on some kind of grass-roots campaign to drive their stock prices higher?
lol, conspiracy theorist
Ok...
Which company do you like?
Which company has never lied or exaggerated to sell a product?
Which company has never laid off workers?
Which company has never kept a product secret until the day of launch?
those last two questions are irrelevant, (not that I'm scared to answer them or anything) but i know of companies that have never lied, but they have exaggerated from time to time. I like Alienwear, HP, Dell, IBM, Microsoft (Microsoft has a computer selling btw, you can see it on IronMan), Sun is okay, and there other companies too.
those last two questions are irrelevant, (not that I'm scared to answer them or anything) but i know of companies that have never lied, but they have exaggerated from time to time. I like Alienwear, HP, Dell, IBM, Microsoft (Microsoft has a computer selling btw, you can see it on IronMan), Sun is okay, and there other companies too.
IBM doesn't sell PCs anymore. Most of IBM's revenue comes from solutions consulting ... and it always has. Sun is also getting out of the hardware game, and it's almost certain that anyone your age who has used a SPARC box has done so at a museum.
In making PC's, Alienware (owned by Dell), Dell, and HP all use the same basic parts that Apple uses. The added price of a comparable Apple system is a luxury fee, yes, but as long as Dell and HP continue to make PC's, you'll have the choice to avoid it.
For the interest of the viewers, here's a stock chart comparing the companies above over the last five years. Obviously, people who matter to business (i.e. people with money) are happy that Apple is taking the strategy they have. Link Note the non-linearity of the scale.
IBM doesn't sell PCs anymore. Most of IBM's revenue comes from solutions consulting ... and it always has. Sun is also getting out of the hardware game, and it's almost certain that anyone your age who has used a SPARC box has done so at a museum.
In making PC's, Alienware (owned by Dell), Dell, and HP all use the same basic parts that Apple uses. The added price of a comparable Apple system is a luxury fee, yes, but as long as Dell and HP continue to make PC's, you'll have the choice to avoid it.
For the interest of the viewers, here's a stock chart comparing the companies above over the last five years. Obviously, people who matter to business (i.e. people with money) are happy that Apple is taking the strategy they have. Link Note the non-linearity of the scale.
I know that Sun is getting out of the Hardware game and yes I know that AlienWear is owned by Dell. Those charts are just a matter of Ratio. iMac is being sold at a higher price, and Apple company is not in "Expansion Mode" such as Dell, Microsoft, and HP. Those charts are misleading, If you put all the companies together that make PC's, then you will get mammoth results.
Also, PCs don't only have the "basic parts" of a Mac. The AlienWear PCs have more sophisticated graphics cards along with HP and "I Need Power" (if that's the companies name).
I much prefer a Mini and display with symmetric trim round the edges. I have to look at iMacs almost every day of my life and I hate it because I'm reminded that some idiot somewhere decided that minority sales work better on novelty value rather than practicality.
Having that big ugly Apple logo staring at you and the camera always pointing in your face. Then you've got the reflections on the new one as well as the black border on the screen.
I can but dream of a day when a keynote comes round and they bury the iMac like they did with OS 9. Then they make a Mini double the height with a good GPU and a 3.5" drive and you've got the iMac in a nice little box.
Then the lineup becomes Mac, Mac Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro. The wording is perfect and the Mac is just the Mac for everyone as it suits most needs.
And how many complaints will there be that there isn't an AIO model that forces you to be stuck with one display? None. Not a single complaint, just like there aren't any complaints now from PC users who don't have to suffer that limiting design. PC users who can go out and buy a sub-£1000 machine with a Geforce GPU and stick a 17" display on it if they want. But no, you want a Mac with a good GPU, well here's a giant 24" shiny screen stuck to it with a hard drive you can't get access to, that'll be £1500.
But wait, you don't want a display stuck to it, that's ok we sell a tower with a geforce card. That'll be £1500 for our 2-ton workstation.
I don't mind the ipods, iphones, laptops and even the Mac Pro because they fit their markets perfectly. The iMac tries to change one market into another forcefully at the customer's expense.
lol tits
Wrong thread.
If you look at the bundled apps that all work together (photos from iPhoto show up in iMovie, etc) and have a similar look and feel and intuitiveness about them, you start getting a better value with the Mac.
Couple that with a single store to return to or phone number to call if you have any problems, and you get a pretty darned good package.
Sure, there are improvements that need to be made (and I feel strongly about one or two of them), but all in all you get a very good package in a Mac, not to mention a very capable one.
About forcing customers... the customers have a choice. If they don't like it, they don't have to buy it. That the iMac is selling as well as it is suggests that the customers are buying it and most are happy with it.
There is also the statistic about the Apple Stores (physical) that shows a large percentage of their sales go to first time Mac buyers, and they are often buying iMacs.
Having used computers for the past 30 years (yep, I'm an old-timer), I find iMacs the best over-all package for almost any user, especially newbies who are looking to create stuff fast without a steep learning curve. Pro apps are also available.
Does anyone else think that iMacs are aesthetically unpleasant? I think they look horrible.
I much prefer a Mini and display with symmetric trim round the edges. I have to look at iMacs almost every day of my life and I hate it because I'm reminded that some idiot somewhere decided that minority sales work better on novelty value rather than practicality.
Having that big ugly Apple logo staring at you and the camera always pointing in your face. Then you've got the reflections on the new one as well as the black border on the screen.
I can but dream of a day when a keynote comes round and they bury the iMac like they did with OS 9. Then they make a Mini double the height with a good GPU and a 3.5" drive and you've got the iMac in a nice little box.
Then the lineup becomes Mac, Mac Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro. The wording is perfect and the Mac is just the Mac for everyone as it suits most needs.
And how many complaints will there be that there isn't an AIO model that forces you to be stuck with one display? None. Not a single complaint, just like there aren't any complaints now from PC users who don't have to suffer that limiting design. PC users who can go out and buy a sub-£1000 machine with a Geforce GPU and stick a 17" display on it if they want. But no, you want a Mac with a good GPU, well here's a giant 24" shiny screen stuck to it with a hard drive you can't get access to, that'll be £1500.
What
But wait, you don't want a display stuck to it, that's ok we sell a tower with a geforce card. That'll be £1500 for our 2-ton workstation.
I don't mind the ipods, iphones, laptops and even the Mac Pro because they fit their markets perfectly. The iMac tries to change one market into another forcefully at the customer's expense.
What you just said about iMacs looking terrible tells me that you are just trying to save face in this conversation
Mmmmmm.......... brine face.
If you only look at hardware, yes, Macs have a premium.
If you look at the bundled apps that all work together (photos from iPhoto show up in iMovie, etc) and have a similar look and feel and intuitiveness about them, you start getting a better value with the Mac.
Couple that with a single store to return to or phone number to call if you have any problems, and you get a pretty darned good package.
Sure, there are improvements that need to be made (and I feel strongly about one or two of them), but all in all you get a very good package in a Mac, not to mention a very capable one.
About forcing customers... the customers have a choice. If they don't like it, they don't have to buy it. That the iMac is selling as well as it is suggests that the customers are buying it and most are happy with it.
There is also the statistic about the Apple Stores (physical) that shows a large percentage of their sales go to first time Mac buyers, and they are often buying iMacs.
Having used computers for the past 30 years (yep, I'm an old-timer), I find iMacs the best over-all package for almost any user, especially newbies who are looking to create stuff fast without a steep learning curve. Pro apps are also available.
Just because you have been using computers for 30 years does not mean you are an expert, anywho, I never said that the customers were being forced, I was implying "mislead," anyone could figure that out
Stop this horror show and lock it. The next person besides the witless troll (who can't be expected to know any better, being entirely and utterly witless) who posts in this thread has to deal with Guybrush Threepwood's sister.
You have been warned.