<strong>You can set the application menu to only display the icon, which of course has a fixed size.</strong><hr></blockquote>You can?? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Last I knew, that feature was killed after the Public Beta because they didn't want another icon next to the Apple menu. Seriously, did I just miss this somewhere?
NO, I don't want platinum (YUCK! ) but I would like some more basic variations for Aqua like a built-in ability to change the hue and/or brightness and/or saturation of the "Blue" or "Graphite" themes to something like Ruby or Emerald or Gold or Obsidian. I know, I know, that's just wishful thinking... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Also, I'd like to reinforce my stance on not enabling the root user by default. Yes, some people have made arguments for having and using root, but that's not my point. Normal users should never have to use root. No one should use root unless they know what they are doing and what the risks are. If you are an administrator and are knowledgeable enough to play safely with root, that's fine. I think it is a Good Thing? that Apple has root hidden away so the average Joe won't accidentally enable it and fuck up his system.
I found this picture on ThinkSecret. It was part of an article on 10.1.2 but notice the dock. It has what look like tabs, perhaps pop up folders. It's a photoshop job but I thought the concept was interesting. Dock tabs might be a useful thing to have in 10.2
Why waste time with tabs? Just make it so that any folders in the dock pop up when something is dragged over them. It does the same things without adding tabs to the top of the dock. At the same time it allows you to right click on them to pull up a menu of what's in the folder click on it to actually open the folder.
[quote]You can set the application menu to only display the icon, which of course has a fixed size.<hr></blockquote>
How exactly is this done? I know you can do that in os9 but I haven't seen the option in osX.
[quote]Yeah, but you'll grow out of that. There's an important difference between interface flaws and interface features that you aren't accustomed to. Should OS X have the close box on the other side to accomodate new Windows users?<hr></blockquote>
True but when the interface features of the past were better than the new implementation of the same features then why settle for it? I liked the application menu in os9 and its still there in osX so why not leave it where it was? OsX just has a more stripped down version the application menu. If they're going to use upthe screen realestate for it then why not make it as usable as what it was.
[quote]It's more easily solved by putting the Utilities folder (and/or the Applications folder) in the Dock.<hr></blockquote>
My mom isn't going to know how to do that. Neither will a lot of mac users. That's what I meant by more accesible. You should at least be able to add them in the applemenu and they should be there by default.
As for the open windows in the dock I see your point. Still, I'd like the option. I don' think it'd be that hard for Apple to implement a preference in the dock options that said "Show all windows in the dock". That way both camps could have it the way they liked.
<strong>My mom isn't going to know how to do that. Neither will a lot of mac users. That's what I meant by more accesible. You should at least be able to add them in the applemenu and they should be there by default.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Frankly, I find adding shortcuts, nee, anything to the Dock to be easier to explain, understand and perform than the old Apple menu system.
To me, aside from the logic of the new menubar hierarchy (System>Application>File), it also sets up a certain logic to the malleability of the UI; that is, some things are constant, others change depending on context (I would like to see more of this particular approach, like how iTunes does this), and others are entirely flexible to your whim. The menubar is fixed. It contains all necessary tools and they do not move out of place, they are always available. Whereas toolbars are somewhat constant (you don't rearrange them too often, mainly just find what you like and stick with it) and follow the specific app and location of windows. Still, I'd like the toolbars to be more contextual in this idea, possibly having a few arrangements depending on the action, selection, etc (though this may be too confusing in practice). Finally, the Dock is absolutely in flux, malleable at any time, changed in any way. I think these three modes of the UI are best kept distinct from one another, but could be more aggressively pursued by the company.
To me, the most important consideration for Apple and what has to mainly be addressed at this point (aside from the occasional aesthetic snafu) is the consistency of its UI, not its heritage or familiarity. The more consistent and logical, the easier it is to adapt to if necessary.
hope we don't wait until 10.2, and maybe i don't get the picture, but a thing i don't think is needed in the dock is, if you have a document in the doc/file side of the dock, when you open it, the app icon if not already in the dock on purpose, arises in the app side of the dock.
Fix the god damn problem in list view with B&W's! No...fix all the god damn problems with B&W's and OSX..geeze.
I am sick of clicking on a column, and then having the whole thing resizes itself!
APPLE! ARE YOU LISTENING?
"Automatic desktop refreshing. I dont know if they have that in 10.1, but it wouldbe realllllly nice if you could put something on the desktop and not have to click back to the desktop to see it."
OMG SO WOULD I.. ))
Guess what? 10.1.2 does it!!!! YAY!
OMFG!
They finally fixed the right clicking in list view!!!
I'd still prefer a drawer in the Finder to SLF (which I realize is a pipe dream considering that they can't get sheets in there -- which are supported in carbon).
To repeat: drawers are non-modal, multiple drops possible, easier to change your mind/direction. SLF is modal, hard to move anywhere but IN, and you have to drop everything in one place.
Sorry for pontificating a bit.
PS: I hope the Disk Image thing in the context menu is to move everyone towards them, including for attachments, burning, etc. They can be quite handy IMO.
Something I find myself wishing for almost everyday is Mutliple Desktops. I really wish Apple implements authentically new features in the major updates to OSX, and doesn't just keep adding OS9 features back...
I think if Apple goes for multiple desktops, they would hopefully improve on it too. I think there are better ways of accessing them, moving through them. But that's what I was hoping for regarding spring-loaded folders and it looks like they didn't change anything there.
<strong>6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I will never understand why people want to have the trash on the desktop where it can be covered with windows. Is there a logical explanation why it is an advantage to have the trash sitting on the desktop or is it just because people are used to it? Well, as long as it is just an option, that's ok with me.
What I would want for 10.2 would be a shelf. This would be a slight modification of the toolbar, so that you can drag files and folders down, not only up. It should handle multiple selections as well. With a shelf you will never need a second Finder window in order to copy or move stuff.
I'd also like Mail.app to offer the option of stripping files of their resource forks... My friends have had it with receiving 200k files that they can't use just because I sent them a 20k .jpg, from the world's most advanced OS....
An SQL-based file system that can handle metadata as well (or even better) than BeOS. See Scott Hacker's comparison of BeOS to OS X to see what I mean.
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<strong>You can set the application menu to only display the icon, which of course has a fixed size.</strong><hr></blockquote>You can?? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Last I knew, that feature was killed after the Public Beta because they didn't want another icon next to the Apple menu. Seriously, did I just miss this somewhere?
<a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9811/images/x-app-colors.gif"; target="_blank">http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9811/images/x-app-colors.gif</a>;
NO, I don't want platinum (YUCK!
Also, I'd like to reinforce my stance on not enabling the root user by default. Yes, some people have made arguments for having and using root, but that's not my point. Normal users should never have to use root. No one should use root unless they know what they are doing and what the risks are. If you are an administrator and are knowledgeable enough to play safely with root, that's fine. I think it is a Good Thing? that Apple has root hidden away so the average Joe won't accidentally enable it and fuck up his system.
[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: imacSE ]</p>
<strong>Not a photoshop job. <a href="http://www.dragthing.com"; target="_blank">DragThing</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really? I didn't know that. It's a shame Apple didn't come up with it.
How exactly is this done? I know you can do that in os9 but I haven't seen the option in osX.
[quote]Yeah, but you'll grow out of that. There's an important difference between interface flaws and interface features that you aren't accustomed to. Should OS X have the close box on the other side to accomodate new Windows users?<hr></blockquote>
True but when the interface features of the past were better than the new implementation of the same features then why settle for it? I liked the application menu in os9 and its still there in osX so why not leave it where it was? OsX just has a more stripped down version the application menu. If they're going to use upthe screen realestate for it then why not make it as usable as what it was.
[quote]It's more easily solved by putting the Utilities folder (and/or the Applications folder) in the Dock.<hr></blockquote>
My mom isn't going to know how to do that. Neither will a lot of mac users. That's what I meant by more accesible. You should at least be able to add them in the applemenu and they should be there by default.
As for the open windows in the dock I see your point. Still, I'd like the option. I don' think it'd be that hard for Apple to implement a preference in the dock options that said "Show all windows in the dock". That way both camps could have it the way they liked.
1). Background color option in Column view and in List view....
1.a) in list view have underlines an option for the eyes
2). Windowshade (if by that is meant that double clicking on the top opens down the window)
3). Fix the cursor bar in the set up windows such as the TCP_IP.... couldn't find it!!
4). I loved the LAUNCHER : make the dock more like it or bring it back
5). Labels (if by that is meant folder label colors)
6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box
7). More optional Icons. The application, favorites and other default icons are ugly.
8). In views, global should mean system wide unless respecified after the global is set or regional-global is set.
9). Dock should open faster than I can blink
more later... I'm only now starting to use it.
get rid of this "remain connected?" window . . . or can you do that and am I missing out on how.
[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: pfflam ]</p>
1). Background color option in Column view and in List view....
1.a) in list view have underlines and option for the eyes
2). Windowshade (if by that is meant that double clicking on the top opens down the window)
3). Fix the cursor bar in the set up windows such as the TCP_IP.... couldn't find it!!
4). I loved the LAUNCHER : make the dock more like it or bring it back
5). Labels (if by that is meant folder label colors)
6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box
7). More optional Icons. The application, favorites and other default icons are ugly.
8). In views, global should mean system wide unless respecified after the global is set or regional-global is set.
9). Dock should open faster than I can blink
more later... I'm only now starting to use it.
get rid of this "remain connected?" window . . . or can you do that and am I missing out on how.
<strong>My mom isn't going to know how to do that. Neither will a lot of mac users. That's what I meant by more accesible. You should at least be able to add them in the applemenu and they should be there by default.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Frankly, I find adding shortcuts, nee, anything to the Dock to be easier to explain, understand and perform than the old Apple menu system.
To me, aside from the logic of the new menubar hierarchy (System>Application>File), it also sets up a certain logic to the malleability of the UI; that is, some things are constant, others change depending on context (I would like to see more of this particular approach, like how iTunes does this), and others are entirely flexible to your whim. The menubar is fixed. It contains all necessary tools and they do not move out of place, they are always available. Whereas toolbars are somewhat constant (you don't rearrange them too often, mainly just find what you like and stick with it) and follow the specific app and location of windows. Still, I'd like the toolbars to be more contextual in this idea, possibly having a few arrangements depending on the action, selection, etc (though this may be too confusing in practice). Finally, the Dock is absolutely in flux, malleable at any time, changed in any way. I think these three modes of the UI are best kept distinct from one another, but could be more aggressively pursued by the company.
To me, the most important consideration for Apple and what has to mainly be addressed at this point (aside from the occasional aesthetic snafu) is the consistency of its UI, not its heritage or familiarity. The more consistent and logical, the easier it is to adapt to if necessary.
I am sick of clicking on a column, and then having the whole thing resizes itself!
APPLE! ARE YOU LISTENING?
"Automatic desktop refreshing. I dont know if they have that in 10.1, but it wouldbe realllllly nice if you could put something on the desktop and not have to click back to the desktop to see it."
OMG SO WOULD I..
Guess what? 10.1.2 does it!!!! YAY!
OMFG!
They finally fixed the right clicking in list view!!!
I fin love it..
5 huge stars
[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Poochie ]
[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Poochie ]</p>
To repeat: drawers are non-modal, multiple drops possible, easier to change your mind/direction. SLF is modal, hard to move anywhere but IN, and you have to drop everything in one place.
Sorry for pontificating a bit.
PS: I hope the Disk Image thing in the context menu is to move everyone towards them, including for attachments, burning, etc. They can be quite handy IMO.
<strong>My biggest request is spring loaded folders, and it looks like they've got that covered (yay!)</strong><hr></blockquote>
tonton,
wherabouts? i don't see it in 10.1.2 Finder Prefs, nor General...
<strong>
tonton,
wherabouts? i don't see it in 10.1.2 Finder Prefs, nor General...</strong><hr></blockquote>
He means in 10.2. The reports on it say that it has them.
<strong>6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I will never understand why people want to have the trash on the desktop where it can be covered with windows. Is there a logical explanation why it is an advantage to have the trash sitting on the desktop or is it just because people are used to it? Well, as long as it is just an option, that's ok with me.
What I would want for 10.2 would be a shelf. This would be a slight modification of the toolbar, so that you can drag files and folders down, not only up. It should handle multiple selections as well. With a shelf you will never need a second Finder window in order to copy or move stuff.